Talk:Metalhead

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Contents 1 There aren't any facts here 2 what? 3 Somthing missing 4 To that point

[edit] There aren't any facts here

So much of this article is guessing and is not factual. The metal scene might be similar around the world, but not everything about it is the same. Mosher is not just a recent term used in 2000, as it was being used when the most extreme music was thrash and everyone was a thrasher or a mosher, this was back in the late 1980's. Add to that, the Metal scene in the US is actually quite diverse especially on the East and West coast. This artcle needs to be written over completely, and maybe done by eras and broken down that way. There aren't enough facts here.

the hyperlink for "hesher" in the first sentence links to a Nickelback album...while mildly humorous, it doesn't need to do that. Jowe27 18:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

A Metalhead who's main intrest is Black Metal Is called a "Blacker", Now, When I change it to that, Stop Changing it back.

wow a page dedicated to ourselves. :P I don't know about that though, many people have different names for it like blackbanger but that appears to me quite ridiculous. I'm a Black Metal fan myself and haven't called myself like that ever. :P Darksteel 13:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm only aware of the term "blacker" being used twice: once by the user up above, the other by someone who's friend (from another country). Said person told me this only after I mentioned that someone on Uncle Wiki claims it is an established term. --Ours18

According to Colbert, anything on here is fact. Ootmc 23:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

All the “”'s are screwed up :( Someone please fix it :D ebi 19:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Caused by people with different encoding sets making edits. Someone probably wasn't using Unicode UTF-8 (would depend on web browser, country, etc) and so the ' marks looked like ? to them or something, so changed it. It's not ment lt to mess up the article, but it's an issue people need to know about. I'll revert and make a comment. Dace59 21:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Neither Metallers nor Blacker is in usage in the UK

I've never heard Blacker used before. But I've heard and used Metaller myself But I don't think the usage is that wide anymore.. Dace59 21:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Metaller is in very wide usage; it's all over British message boards and has even appeared in the news: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/31/ngangs31.xml

"She had been labelled a "metaler" – a reference to heavy metal music – by her alleged assailant and her friends. " Ours18 20:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I get called a Metaller, Metalhead or Headbanger, but that is from a wide range of people; yes, I am British. Come to think of it, why the hell are "Glam Metallers" mentioned? Hair Metal has sod all to do with actual metal, it's a watered-down pop equivalent from the 80s seriously lacking in the heavy, dark, epic or aggressive elements of the real thing! AdmiralvonAxehaufen 19:18, 2 November 2006

Just so you all know...metalcore is a popular genre for "mallcore" people right now...so that might just needs to be change up a bit. Also, nu metal is slowly tying into the "fasioncore" label, though i don't think it is enough to change what you have. Inthebox04 17:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice to see a page on ourselves, this article needs a major revamp with enough citations, i think everybody should write about what they think is wrong or has been guessed or been written without any proof. Lets get this article up with correct information.

Let's 4get all the different names, and just call ourselves "people who listen to metal." Seems a lot easier. Ootmc 23:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem with this entire article is that, as has been discussed, there is nothing close to resembling a fact here. It also suffers from a distinct and highly pronounced lack of objectivity in addition to its nomenclatorial deficencies. Personally, I would second a major revision of this article, but not along temporal or epochal lines. Perhaps a group effort that, as has been suggested, strives to not make umbrella generalities and takes into account the diversity of the 'average' metal fan. Most of the perspective and subsequent analysis of this article is derived from a fairly shallow fashion perspective, making that somewhat its defining character. I would argue, and I think in convincing fashion, that a metalhead's attire is an insignificant factor in determining the level of dedication to the scene. Many fans are restricted in their outward expressions by work and other unavoidable societal constraints, but this does not lessen their dedication. Also, the section that refers to 'moshing' makes the assumption that it is a relatively new behavior and characteristic of younger metalheads. Although my coming of age was the 1990s (I was born in the early 80s), the behavior was certainly there when I began actively participating in the scene and is not strictly limited 'newer' styles of metal. I would argue that it has gained noteriety recently because of its widespread cultural acceptance, both within and outside the scene. Much in the way that 'shock rock' isn't as shocking anymore because of changing cultural values, 'moshing' has become something prevalent across the board. Also, the term 'mallcore' needs to be either eliminated as a descriptive moniker or heavily contextualized, as it is a perjorative term utilized by 'metal elitists', and is certainly not used by those fans who listen to the genre, as defined by 'traditionalists'. However, the term should certainly be used in a discussion of trends prevalent in the metal scene, as it is a significant indicator as to how the scene defines itself. Perhaps a redefinition of the various styles should be made as well, as many of them (doom metal, death metal, nu metal, thrash metal, 'traditional' metal, alternative metal etc.) can be lumped into larger categories, since, in many cases, fans of one genre that has significant ties to another tend to be fans of both. Thus, it could be safe to assume, as far as a general encyclopedic narrative is concerned, that there are certain branches that are somewhat harmonious, aside from their specific intricacies that need not be particularly explored within this article. For instance (and please, feel free to interject and correct me where I am wrong), death, doom, black, and goth metal could be grouped together, as the attitude and behavior of fans of each share enough similarities that any mention of specific 'docternal' differences could be addressed in a seperate paragraph, if and how they exist, without detracting from the larger narrative. Similarly, the umbrella 'nu metal' description could encompass alternative, nu, and rap metal with a high level of consistency. 'Traditional' metal, along with speed, thrash, power, glam etc., could all be grouped together, as musically, they share a common thread and overlapping subcultural behaviors and attitudes. Ultimately though, the only unifying and non-debatable aspects of the 'metalhead' moniker are that the fans enjoy music that is predominantly minor in mode and an almost universal love for the dominant 5th.

[edit] what?

the whole part about Nu metal being mainstream music and not really metal at all seems not only extremly POV it's also out of place in the fashion segment. God damn it, to whomever wrote that crap, you make it sound like a band like Spineshank or Fear Factory are more likely to be played at an olds folks party then soft bands from power and heavy metal and hardrock. Someone should clean that up.

-How is Power Metal soft?

Hello brothers and sisters, yes it is nice to see an article on us, however i feel rather strongly that anything what so ever to do with nu metal should be taken out of this article as nu metal and true metal (whether it be black, death, grindcore ect) are two completely different things. And i for one do not want to be affiliated with something so...wilted.

that statement sounds rather arrogant and elitist. whether you like it or not, 'nu metal' was a specific trend and style that had its time and is now past, but the very same could be said of 'traditional' metal. Its sound and style is equally dated and, dare i say, wilted. thankfully, the equally overplayed 'core' genres have helped to keep interest in it alive, but at the expense of making the entire scene seem outdated and reveling in its 'glory' years. lets face facts, nu metal only came about because 1)everyone that starts a band, whether they want to admit it or not, wants to be a rockstar, and 2) 6/8 time signatures and complex arangements aren't going to get you there. slayer, metallica and megadeth brought me into the scene, and helped introduce to me to cannibal corpse, decapitated and emperor. i would never have discovered louisiana's gem acid bath had it not been for nu metal though, and, whether spineshank, nothingface and lollipop lust kill are all lumped into that umbrella 'nu metal', i don't care. they all made/make music that i enjoy just as much as 'traditional' bands, and with a couple of them, enjoy more because there's a certain differeniation of sound and style that is absent among many 'traditional' bands. and yes, i'll be the first to admitt that each side of the spectrum has overindullged in the cliches associated with them. how 'poppy' can metal be before it stops being metal? but, conversely, how 'traditional' can metal be before its the same song over and over. maybe metal needed nu metal only insofar as to drive it away from pop and punk (musically). maybe they were good though, as they breathed new life into a genre that was just as cliche as punk.

i gotta say the article does seem a little outdated. not many people wear the patchy jackets or vests. P.S. Leather jacker-cool+leather vest-not cool=leather sleevs are cool. just thought i outa mention it.24.144.137.244 18:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

ya, I'm a guitarist. I know and agree Ootmc 23:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Somthing missing

Shouldn't there be something on the article that describes the metalhead's perspective on other musical genres, since its almost apparent that the metal comunitty shows great disrespect for many other genres (esp mainstream) anonymous 13:08, 10 FEB 07

Damb Straight! I think I can speak for more people than just myself when I say We hate all that other crap like Lionel Ritchie, Britney Spears, Tupac crap ect.

We have enough POV stuff going on with the nu metal stuff. Besides, we're metalheads, it's generally assumed we listen to metal and not disco. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Slayer425 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] To that point

Well actually metalheads usually enjoy other genres other than just metal. Most metal acts that have really had a big impact on the progression of the genre listened to other styles of music and used them as influence to their music. Bands and artists like Atheist and Cynic infused jazz to their music. Yngwie Malmsteen added classical music elements to his playing. Opeth has many different influences to their music and can't be put into a true genre.

to say that all metalheads hate other styles of music is completely untrue. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.100.246.224 (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Maybe so but many of us are just generally filled with Hate, eg hatebreed (very good band) and as a further example, I hate your comment, and I hate you. Metal is music for angry young men, and those who feel like angry young men, like me.

maybe if you listen to terrible nu metal bands like hatebreed then yes, I can see someone having a very closed-minded view of music. But for the majority of people that listen to REAL metal, I can say that they aren't bound to listen to one genre and one genre alone.

• I wasn't suggesting that metalheads "hate" other genres or that they are bound to only metal(and I am not narrow-minded,in fact I just so happen to pride myself of being the very opposite B-]). All I merely did was take notice of many instances, during inerviews and comments with metalheads and metal gods alike, the sarcastic, tongue & cheek, and sometimes serious, attacks on genres (usually mainstream) outside of metal. Including pop,r&b,hip hop, punk, even several subgenres of metal itself (e.g. nu metal, metalcore, hair metal etc.). If you check any forums, tv shows, or legitimate interviews dealing with the subject you'll find them. I just thought it would be an interesting addition to the article, THATS ALL!! DON'T MAKE SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT.

(p.s. Hatebreed are not nu metal, they are metalcore, doy! :P)Anonymous