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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Little grammar note 3 Thank you for your Poland-related contributions 4 Paul Michel 5 Chess bios and Arthur Dake 6 Leon Tuhan-Baranowski 7 Hello, I just noticed that you just placed 8 Italian chess players 9 An Difenn Cozio 10 Oberenn skrivet (writing) 11 Categories 12 Stanisław Lem 13 Leon 14 Arpad Elo 15 Discussion about links to ChessWorld.net at WikiProject Chess 16 Jerzy Hoffman and Michał Waszyński 17 Vilna Gaon 18 Jiří Pelikán 19 Request for comment 20 Citations of American Politicians 21 List of Polish Jews 22 Yaacov Bleiman 23 Cease and desist 24 Opočenský 25 Categories 26 Please use talk 27 Adam Mickiewicz 28 NPA 29 czech chess championship

[edit] Welcome

Hello, Mibelz, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Little grammar note

Hi, I see your great contributions to wiki, but just a note: usually you say something took place in (and not at) a city/country. So the most recent Summer Olympic Games took place in Athens and the next one is going to be in Beijing. Renata 15:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your Poland-related contributions

Hello Mibelz! Thank you for your contributions related to Poland. You may be interested in visiting Portal:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board, joining our discussions and sharing your creations with us.

-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Michel

Hi Mibelz,

I noticed you recently wrote the article about Paul Michel. I just wanted to inform you that you can get more exposure for Germany-related articles by posting them at Portal:Germany/New articles and Portal:Germany/New article announcements. Happy editing.--Carabinieri^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 22:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chess bios and Arthur Dake

Thanks for your fine work creating chess bio articles including Arthur Dake. It's very well done. 24.177.112.146 02:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leon Tuhan-Baranowski

was deleted by way of WP:PROD. But if you have a good source or two, we can undelete it. Looked interesting. Let me know. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Did. I can't read Polish well enough to understand. Let me know if you want to undelete this and take to an AfD. Or better, take it to the Polish noticeboard and show the redlink and the sources to one of the polish sysops (they can read deleted revisions) so they could decide if this is something we ought to even consider keeping. Cheers. - crz crztalk 11:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a pity that you deleted the article on Polish-Belarusian chess player Leon Tuhan-Baranowski only because of your nescience of a language. Mibelz

[edit] Hello, I just noticed that you just placed

Samuel Yellin in with a group of Galician Jews and was wondering if you would like to do the same {though not Galacian} with Chaim Gross. Although the article does not mention that he was Jewish, he is [references upon request]. It seemed to me that you would have a better chance than I would of placing him in his proper spot. Oh yes, I was born in 1948 too. A good year. Carptrash 20:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian chess players

Hi. With real pleasure I saw your works about early Italian players. Here is a little thing (in Breton language) about Carlo Cozio fron the Breton (Brehoneg) language Wiki. I read English, French and Italian. Yours. Kadbzh. [1] (Italian) Cozio, Carlo People Cozio, Carlo Chess player Cozio, Carlo Italian chess player Cozio, Carlo Born Cozio, Carlo Dead Template:Peurunvan Template:LabourAChom Carlo Cozio, kont eus Montiglio ha Salabue, a zo bet ganet e 1715 e Casale Monferrato (Italia) ha marvet e 1780.

Mestrc'hoarier (high level player) ha skrivagnour (author) echedoù italian.

[edit] An Difenn Cozio

1.e4 e5

2.Mf3 d5

3.exd5 Dxd5!?

• {it} [2] .

[edit] Oberenn skrivet (writing)

• Carlo Cozio, Il giuoco degli scacchi o sia Nuova idea di attacchi, difese e partiti del Giuoco degli Scacchi, 1766.

Ur mell levr eo, div levrenn ennañ, gant 700 pajenn. Peder lodenn a zo ennañ: an hini gentañ a-zivout ar garadenn (gambetto), an eil hini gouestlet d'ar c'hoari boutin , an deirvet hini a-zivout c'hoarioù "ar C'halabrad", hag an hini ziwezhañ gant 201 bartienn. Ur stagadenn a ya d'ober tost ur bempvet levrenn. Rouez-kenañ eo al levr-mañ: devet oa bet tost an holl skouerennoù anezhañ abalamour d'un tan-gwall en ti moulañ e Torino.

[edit] Categories

Hi Mibelz! As far as I know, there is no need to add a category where there is already a sub-category of it. For example, Iweta Rajlich is already Polish chess players - so you need not add the Chess players category. Happy editing, --Ioannes Pragensis 07:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mibelz, I wrote the answer on my talk page. Greetings, Honza Ioannes Pragensis 22:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stanisław Lem

Can you please answer the question regarding the use of the categories Galician Jew and Polish Jew on Talk:Stanisław Lem#Religious or cultural affiliation? In the edits, I asked asked to explain these categories on the discussion page, too. You reinstored them without answering the question. -- Zz 15:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Polish Jews and Category:Galician Jews include persons who (or his parents) were born in Poland or Galicia (Austria-Hungary, Poland/Ukraine), and they or their ancestors had affillation with Jewish religion, ethnicity or culture. For example, count Walenty Potocki who converted to Judaism (Ger Tzedek of Vilna) there is in Category:Polish Jews.

By the way, Stanisław Lem was an atheist. -- Mibelz 16:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leon

It was deleted per WP:PROD when another user requested it. The same policy provides that upon demand it could be undeleted and submitted to an AfD discussion. Would you like that? - crz crztalk 16:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arpad Elo

What in the world do you think you are doing there. "Arpad Elo" is the only spelling ever used by anybody for this American professor and chess player, except for some older Wikipedia usage and Wikipedia clones.

If you even want to get a different spelling into the article, please provide a verifiable citation to a reliable source. That spelling was flagged for over a month as needing verification when you started this. So don't even add that if you cannot verify it from a reliable source. Gene Nygaard 03:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

See Talk:Árpád Élő. Gene Nygaard 09:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Mibelz, regarding all the renames you have recently done, please take a few minutes to read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) (aka, "WP:UE" or "WP:ENGLISH"). Thank you. --StuffOfInterest 18:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about links to ChessWorld.net at WikiProject Chess

Hi, I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess#Links to chessworld.net - you are welcomed to contribute. Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 17:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jerzy Hoffman and Michał Waszyński

I noticed you added Jewish categories to both articles. Do you have any sources for this? I tried a google search but nothing explicit came up. 141.211.122.239 18:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vilna Gaon

I noticed that you recently moved Vilna Gaon to Gaon of Vilna. Please do not move articles without discussing the move first, especially when the move is unwarranted, as in this case (check Google hits). Thanks, DLand^TALK 21:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jiří Pelikán

Hi Misach, I answered on my discussion page. Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 09:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! Thank you for the articles. I am sorry but I do not know whether the players who emigrated to Argentina were Jewish or not. I think that it is probable, but I am not sure. Best regards, Ioannes Pragensis 22:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

At Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#List_of_Polish_Jews. Thank you, -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations of American Politicians

Talk:List_of_Polish_Jews#Sources 141.213.212.81 22:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Polish Jews

I am editing this as well!--Brownlee 13:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yaacov Bleiman

SECRET WEAPONS MASTER If chess players are always thinking one step ahead of their opponent, surely there must be some practical application for their talents. Israeli IM Yaacov Bleiman, who died last June (i.e. 2004), found one. He spent a decade designing a smart bomb that in 2003 was procured by the Israeli Air Force for its F-16 fighter jets. From "Kadbzh" (Breton Wiki). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.12.215.82 (talk) 18:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Cease and desist

Please stop creating articles such as Luis Augusto Sánchez if you cannot add the proper sort keys so that the articles are indexed properly in categories. I fixed that one. Go back and fix any others you have messed up the same way. Note that spaces and any other character are also indexed, such as the one you put in front of his name in the 1930 births category. Gene Nygaard 08:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

What in the world are you talking about in your reply on my talk page? The problem I fixed had nothing to do with Boris De Greiff. I'm glad you noticed that separate mistake you made, but you also need to stop doing indexing with characters such as "á" in the sort key, and you need to go back and fix any others you have misindexed that way. Gene Nygaard 18:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that since you are the only editor in the edit history of César Muñoz and some of the other missorted articles, there is no possibility that this missorting can be blamed on anyone other than you. Fix them. Gene Nygaard 21:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mibelz,

Please feel free to ignore Gene. For some reason I haven't figured out, it's very important to him that articles appear in categories in alphabetical order (in fact, in a particular version of alphabetical order, when Unicode characters are considered). Most of the rest of us consider this to be a secondary consideration, and would rather have good articles around even if they're not perfectly sorted in category listings. (Personally, I rarely even look at category listings.) --Trovatore 04:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opočenský

Dear Mibelz, Karel Opočensky's Czech name was really Opočenský. (see for example [City of Most website article] or [Year Report of Czech Chess Union with the Czech Chess Player of the Century poll results]. Will You make the renaming of the article, or should I? With regards, Okino 15:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Hi Misach, if e.g. Karel Traxler is in the category "Czech chess players", you ought not add category "Chess players" ("Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory," from WP:CAT). Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 21:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Misach, you can look at Category:Chess players - it is clearly written there that the category has four subcategories, one of them is Category:Chess players by nationality. And this category has 65 subcategories currently, one of them Category:Czech chess players. That makes clear that every "Czech chess player" is automatically a "Chess player" at the same time, and there is no need to add the later category to the article because it is redundent per WP:CAT. Greetings,--Ioannes Pragensis 11:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Misach, you are true that the description in the category suggested to add the non-GM in the root category - but it was a wrong wording, in light of WP:CAT. I have corrected it already.

Regarding the woman grandmaster, there are two possibilities; either they have only the women GM title - like Lenka Ptáčníková - or they have also the unrestricted GM title, like Judit Polgár. The later should have both WGM and GM categories and moreover the special "Female Grandmasters" category to tell them easily from the male majotiry of grandmasters :-) . Have a nice day! --Ioannes Pragensis 19:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I do not wish to remove the "Chess players" category, as we need it for players with unknown nationality or with a nationality without its own category. And moreover it is needed as the main, master category for all the national chess players, grandmasters etc. But understand me (and WP:CAT): if you add the category "Czech chess player" or "Chess grandmaster" to an article, you are at the same time adding "Chess players" there, because "Chess players" is the "commmon father" of all these subcategories. It is the same case like being from Prague means that you are from Bohemia, from Europe, from this World... Read please WP:CAT, it is really useful in this situation and try to understand the hierarchical structure of categories here. Happy editing! --Ioannes Pragensis 20:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please use talk

Please discuss largescale edits to List of nationality transfers in chess before making them. And please understand the way the article is formatted at the moment before making such edits. The way the chess players are sorted on List of nationality transfers in chess is consistent with the List of nationality transfers in sport and List of nationality transfers in football: 1. Sorted in alphabetical order by "destination country" 2. Sorted in alphabetical order of surname within the destination country. Aecis^Bravado 19:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

And Savielly Tartakower and others are indeed listed twice, because they've made more than one nationality transfer: they're listed at every country they've played chess for. Aecis^Bravado 19:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of what I said above, and the perhaps a bit too confrontational tone in which I said it, thank you very much for your excellent expansion of this list. Aecis^Bravado 20:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You made a good point regarding Becker, Eliskases and the Anschluss. Germany should indeed probably be removed from their listings. Regarding Israel: Israel is indeed an Asian country, but the Israel Chess Federation is a member of the European Chess Union, and its chess players are therefore registered with a European confederation. I believe that Israel should therefore be sorted under Europe instead of Asia. Aecis^Bravado 21:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

There may be another way to refer to the Anschluss. Michael Shmerkin, a figure skater who has skated for both the Soviet Union and Russia, has been listed with " Soviet Union/ Russia" (see List of nationality transfers in sport#Figure skating). Becker and Eliskases could be displayed with " Austria/ Germany". Perhaps we could add a footnote, explaining about the Anschluss. What do you think of this? Aecis^Bravado 21:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The flag of the Third Reich should imo only be used in cases where it is relevant. In the case of German chess players who were German before the Third Reich and/or German afterwards, {{GER}} should be used. In some cases {{GDR}} or {{FRG}} might also be appropriate.

The question of where Israel should be sorted can never easily be answered. Israel is geographically in Asia, but is boycotted by many other Asian countries. Many Israeli sports federations are therefore members of European confederations. The decision has been made in other articles to follow the divisions by sporting confederations, and to sort Israel with Europe. I believe that this article should be consistent with those articles. Aecis^Bravado 22:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have raised the issue of where to sort Israel and Turkey at Talk:List of nationality transfers in sport#Are Israel and Turkey European or Asian?. I would like to ask you to join the discussion there, so that we may establish some sort of consensus with other editors. Aecis^Bravado 22:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed :) Aecis^Bravado 15:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Mickiewicz

You believe that Mickiewicz had Jewish roots. The story is based on speculations about Majewski family. If you don't have any academic sources, don't include rather Mickiewicz into your list. Xx236 11:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC) At the same time Mickiewicz included a number of antisemitic phrases into his works and wrote about his Islamic fascinations in Cremean Sonets. Muzeum Literatury has published a research proving that Mickiewicz' mother was Tatar. I don't care if she was Chinese or Russian, if you care and want to wage a war in Internet, you would rather read the article and prove that the Belarussian author was wrong. Xx236 14:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

As I have written, I don't care if Mickiewicz's mother was Chinese. If you want to prove, that the Belarusian archivist doesn't understand the difference between islamic Tatars and Karaims, do it. At the moment he seems to be competent enough. Xx236 12:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPA

[3] Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Your edit was highly disruptive and provoked Galassi to lead a revert war. The problem is that

• the case was jugded before by many editors and some admnins; as a result the anounymous user was already blocked for this
• neither you, nor Galassi can give _any_ reliable sources (see WP:VER, WP:RS) and your edits are somehow contrary to the common sense. Please make clear what is your rationale and stop accusing me of nationalism (please correct your offending entry on Galassi talk page).

Thank you. --Beaumont (@) 14:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] czech chess championship

czech and czechoslovakia are 2 different bagatelle. --Mt7 10:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)