Talk:Military history of Iran
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I recognize that this article is brief and shallow. I welcome help in expanding it. The text is based on the world fact book entry on Iran at [www.cia.gov]. Brainhell 22:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't care what the text is based upon, but everything related to Russia is a mess of falsehoods. Peter the Great achieved everything he wished for; Nadir Shah never "defeated" him "with great force". Zubov's expedition turned back after taking Baku because Catherine II died and her successor Paul had other plans for the army, not because of the Persians' fabulous victories (there were not any). Unlike Iran, which infamously reduced Tbilisi to a pile of ashes in 1795 and massacred all the Christian population, Russia never "invaded and annexed Georgia" as is claimed in the text. And I strongly doubt that the Persian army in 1812 was "equally capable" as the Russian army which destroyed the largest army ever assembled in human history and dethroned Napoleon, the conqueror of Europe, that very year. --Ghirla -трёп- 20:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Any help would be very much obliged. :) ...And ultimately all that matters is factual accuracy in the article- im not here to make comparisons between "Iran massacred all the Christian population" because much of the same can be said about Russias actions in Iran and the rest of the CIS for that matter. Thats another argument and another issue all together.
I grant that wording could definately be better:
- Re: Annexation of Georgia:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartl-Kakheti
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Georgievsk --> Quote: "The Soviet propaganda represented the Treaty of Georgievsk as an act of “brotherhood of Russian and Georgian peoples” and illustrated it as a legal basis for annexation of Georgia."
- http://www.iranica.com/articles/v8f5/v8f559.html
"But three years later, in 1801, Tsar Paul went beyond the Treaty of Georgievsk by proclaiming the incorporation of Kartli-Kakheti into the Russian empire. His action ended both Georgia's independence and Persia's long political involvement in Georgian affairs."
- Persian Victories
- Soltanabad 1812
The essay points to this one victory amongst others. This will need further checking.
- It was Nadir Shah who, with great force, drove the Ottomans and Russians out of the occupied lands...
- Agha Mohammad Khan, with 60,000 cavalry under his command, drove the Russians back beyond Tbilisi.
I will have to read into the other points you made as I lifted them (not copying) from the main Qajar source. Yes I will change my name
While i'm at it: Turkish and Persian domination "...On July 24, 1783, he concluded with Catherine II the Great the Treaty of Georgievsk, whereby Russia guaranteed Georgia's independence and territorial integrity, while Erekle accepted Russian suzerainty. Yet Erekle and his Georgians had to face alone the fierce hordes of the Persian eunuch Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar. T'bilisi was sacked in 1795, and Erekle died in 1798. His invalid son Giorgi XII sought to hand over the kingdom unconditionally into the care of the Russian emperor Paul I, but both rulers were dead before this could be formally implemented. In 1801 Alexander I reaffirmed Paul's decision to incorporate Kartli and Kakheti into the Russian Empire. Despite the treaty of 1783, the Bagratid line was deposed and replaced by Russian military governors, who deported the surviving members of the royal house and imposed a bureaucratic order on the Georgians that soon provoked several popular uprisings. The western Georgian kingdom of Imereti was annexed in 1810, while Guria, Mingrelia, Svaneti, and Abkhazia were finally swallowed up in 1829, 1857, 1858, and 1864, respectively. The Black Sea ports of Pot'i and Bat'umi, as well as areas of southwestern Georgia long under Ottoman rule, were wrested from Turkey in successive wars, culminating in the campaigns of 1877-78." Copyright © 1994-2001 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
- "It was Nadir Shah who, with great force, drove the Ottomans and Russians out of the occupied lands..."
This seems wrong, but I want to find a couple more sources just to cross check. While Nader Shah did drive out the ottomans, it seems that the correct refrence in the above case should have been to: Agha Mohammad Khan who took control of the caucuses again after russia had invaded the region.
"Agha Mohammad Khan (reigned 1779-97), a leader of the Turkmen Qajar tribe, set out to reunify Iran. By 1794 he had eliminated all his rivals, including Lotf 'Ali Khan, the last of the Zand dynasty, and had reasserted Iranian sovereignty over the former Iranian territories in Georgia and the Caucasus." Copyright © 1994-2001 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
[edit] Copyright issues
Per instructions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems, I have reverted this article to the revision by Travelbird on 15:55, May 26, 2006. Much or all of the information added by Surena here appears to be from the CAIS website here, or at other pages. This site does not license its content under the GFDL, and even if it did, is not attributed. Please do not re-add this content, but feel free to rewrite it in your own words, although it may be preferable to refer to other sources, since the article from CAIS appears to be a tertiary source itself. Thank you. KWH 07:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
