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There was no proof that the Southern Sierra Miwoks were the first Indian people in Yosemite. In the unrevised verision of Lafayette Bunnell's first encounter of Chief Tenaya he wrote "Tenaya was the founder of the Pah-Ute colony of Awahnee". He also wrote that Chief Tenaya spoke a "Piute Jargon". Major Savage spoke Yokut and other tribal languages, but took a Monoache Indian to speak to Chief Tenaya. Here is the text from the first book written by those who first encountered Chief Tenaya.[1]"Ten-ie-ya was recognized, by the Mono tribe, as one of their number, as he was born and lived among them until his ambition made him a leader and founder of the Pai-Ute colony in Ah-wah-ne. His history and warlike exploits formed a part of the traditionary lore of the Monos. They were proud of his successes and boasted of his descent from their tribe, although Ten-ie-ya himself claimed that his father was the chief of an independent people, whose ancestors were of a different race." Which meant that the Ahwahnechees were from a totally seperate tribe. Not related to the Maidus, Yokuts, Washoes, and Miwoks.

Chief Tenaya was born at Mono Lake from a Paiute woman and lived there til he was an adult before returning to Yosemite. He returned to Yosemite with a couple of hundred people, including his Paiute wife and children. He did not return to Yosemite with a couple of hundred Miwoks. They were Paiutes.

If you read the Southern Sierra Miwok dictionary linked to the main page you will find the name "Yosemite". In their dictionary "Yosemite" means "They are Killers". That would indicate that the Miwoks were not on friendly terms with the Awahnees.[2]

When Tenaya was taken to the Fresno Reservation he told Savage "Why are you bringing me amongst my enemies". Those people were the Yokuts and Miwoks.

When Tenaya escaped the Fresno Reservation he did not escape to the Central Miwok area, but instead went back into Paiute area. If he was Miwok he would have went to his peoples homeland instead of those that the Miwoks had several battles with, the Paiutes.

History has been modified to change the real Native peoples of Yosemite into Miwoks when they were Paiutes.[3]

[edit] Southern Sierra Miwok Language

Concerning Sylvia Broadbent's Southern Sierra Miwok informants.

5 out of the 10 informants that Ms. Broadbent had as Southern Sierra Miwok informants stated that they were Miwoks, but when doing their family tree they were really Cassons Yokut.

[edit] Links

Lafayette H. Bunnell's Discovery of the Yosemites, 1851, an the war that led to the event on pdf.

[edit] Suggested Update: Branch Off Pages Sierra, Coast and Lake

I have been expanding the sub-sections for each group and am starting to feel that with any future expansion, it will be trying to cover too much on one page. I am considering copying and pasting the following sub-articles onto separate pages: 1. Valley & Sierra Miwok, 2. Coast Miwok and 3. Lake Miwok. The branch will start after the introduction which mentions them already, and can link to each of them. Reasoning: besides multiple subsections each, the Sierra and the coast in particular are separate climate zone and this effects how they might live, their food, housing, etc., and w already have enough for 3 articles. I'll make sure each page keeps the right external links and references. Is everyone okay with this? Goldenrowley 21:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm perfectly ok with that, actually a fan of it as long as all of these articles remain linked together, through a template at the bottom of the page, or something with a similar effect. I'll even whip one up once the articles are created. Canæn 06:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

That template idea sounds wonderful. I finished the pages as follows Valley and Sierra Miwok, Coast Miwok and Lake Miwok. Thank you for volunteering to 'whip up' a nice template that lists this little group ! I look forward to see it. Goldenrowley 05:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC) -- propose include Miwok mythology in the template as well Goldenrowley 17:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you the new template at bottom looks nice. I added Bay Miwok (Karkin) to this set and template, after further studying led me to see them as separate level.Goldenrowley 02:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)