Talk:Nature reserves in Russia

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Contents 1 Problems 2 Where this delirium came from? 2.1 Weiner book 3 Similarity to U.S. Wilderness Areas?

[edit] Problems

How can the first one have been created by the Soviet Union when you say in the next sentence that it was created in 1916 ... the year before the October Revolution? Daniel Case 17:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, I went looking in the Russian wikipedia for the article there to link.

This is great. There isn't one. There is, however, a list page and a bunch of separate articles on individual zapovedniks. So anyone who wants the concept explained has to come here; while anyone who wants details on individual zapovedniks has to have a reading knowledge of Russian. We need some cross-Bering Strait coordination on this. Daniel Case 17:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Where this delirium came from?

I live and born in Russia and it was always underlined that the purpose of the zapovedniks is to preserve the wild nature. The most of article constitutes delirium and should be deleted. By the way, who is Douglas Weiner? This seems highly POV and obviously is based on the book indicated in the bottom, which name is brilliant as if Stalin and Gorbachov dreamed only of how to damage the nature.--Nixer 20:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow, there appears to be a flame war! On such an innocent topic! Cool, yeah. :-( Cema 22:14, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Nixer, I've reverted your last edit. I saw nothing in it that qualifies as so outrageously POV that it needed to be removed.

И, мне ясно, вы не понимаете англиский язык хорошо. книга в стати согласет с вами.

Also, I see from your User Talk page that you have a pattern of starting revert wars. Let's try to avoid that here, please, and reach a happy medium. Daniel Case 23:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

This article seems as self-promotiong of Douglas Weiner. It seems he boasts his importance. I think nobody read his letter. Also I will repeat that the purpose of the zapovedniks is to preserve the wild nature. So, I will delete all the delirium.--Nixer 03:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Nixer, you didn't understand.

Заглавие книги, по-русский: Молодой Угол Свободы: Русское Сохрание Природы с Сталина до Горбачёва. Вы смотрите вашу ошыбку сейчас? Не Защита Русской Природы против Сталина и Горбачёва. Вы преувеличиваете вашего знания англиского когда утверждаете "en-3," Я думаю.

Now, perhaps it is self-promotional. I don't think the quote from the book is necessary. But I think it's a start for an article. We need to hear from someone else who read the book, someone else who might know the history at issue.

Так, Я возвращаюсь. Не беспокойтесь, не лично. Daniel Case 05:02, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh! I apologize. I thought it was "from Stalin and Gorbachov". Where did I get it from? Your prevous message in Russian I didnt understood.--Nixer 14:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

That's what happens when I write in haste, without referring to a dictionary. I was trying to make the point that the author of the book in question was agreeing with you.

Later, I realized you'd misunderstood the use of the preposition "from" in that article (Don't worry; on the English-speaking end I trip over Russian prepositions all the time.)

In fact there are many other factual errors in the article. Treats to the zapovedniks since the collapse of the USSR caused not by new industries, but by the lack of funding and protection from criminal usage. No new industries, and of course, no overseas-based (which is fantastic).--Nixer 14:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem. I like this latest edit. Daniel Case 17:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

One more such wholesale deletion without serious arguments, and you will be blocked. Still, I agree that a large part of the text is strange. mikka (t) 04:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Weiner book

If you'd like to independently evaluate the book in question, there is a sample chapter online. Daniel Case 04:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Similarity to U.S. Wilderness Areas?

I would like to put in something about this but I'd prefer some informed opinion. Are zapovedniks open for low-impact recreational use (camping, hiking, birding, hunting, fishing, unpowered boating etc.) as state and federal wilderness areas in the U.S. are? Are they developed for that purpose (trails, boat put-in spots)? What in the U.S. protected land system might they most be likened to in terms of permitted levels of use? Daniel Case 21:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

OK, I went and did my own research. Daniel Case 03:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)