Talk:Naturopathic medicine
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[edit] Merge: Biopsy and Nature Cure
Biopsy and Nature Cure seems a bit out of place for a stand-alone article. It seems that it reflects a particular view of something that was be better suited here. -AED 05:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - the content would be better placed in Natural Hygiene as that is the closest to 'Nature cure' (the redirect should also be fixed to point there). --apers0n 05:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is not taught in the accredited naturopathic programs. How else would you rule out a ddx? Also, how would a pathologist know the stage and grade the tumor if a biopsy wasn't done? Not advising your patient to get a biopsy would be bad medicine, and might get an ND in serious legal trouble. Solution: Nature cure should have it's own page, and the views on biopsy be one aspect of that article.--Travisthurston 06:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment: "Nature cure" in Biopsy and Nature Cure redirects here. How about Natural Hygiene? -AED 06:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment: It has now been changed to redirect to Natural Hygiene --apers0n 11:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Delete or merge. 211.30.80.121 13:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Protected page status
I have added protection to the current state of this page and hereby propose that WE ALL work here, within this discussion page, to work out or ideas and disagreements before changes are made. Is anybody not OK with the protection status? Speak here. If enough people here want to change it back, we'll do that.
One thing we shouldn't have to do is keep checking this page on a daily basis to keep people from adding their biased points of view.
Thanks! --Travisthurston 01:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Declined - This page has not been protected at this time. This edit war is unbelievably lame: it's over a category! Can you guys please not add or remove the category until consensus is reached on this talk page? Or perhaps ask for a third opinion if you really can't make a decision here. But do not add or remove the category until you have consensus or a third opinion! If you keep reverting each others' changes you will be blocked. —Mets501 (talk) 20:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)- OK - That's what makes this site so great. The organic and fluid nature of wikipedia. Let’s continue to work on voting as a group before controversial changes are made.
Thanks community! --Travisthurston 18:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Formatting Help
I added an "alternative medicine box" that links to other NCCAM categories. Can someone help me move the existing CAM box to a better location like under the NCCAM box? I can't get the html to look right. We also need to find some sources on the history section... Thanks! --Travisthurston 01:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Not sure if it's because I'm using Explorer, but the formatting is still wacked for me. If someone could fix it again, that would be great. :) --Schwael 19:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Restoring unexplained link deletion
I have restored this link: http://www.futurehealth.ucsf.edu/pdf_files/Naturo2.pdf which was deleted without explanation by Havermayer (Talk - Contribs) as it seemed like a useful link. --apers0n 07:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] naturopath
does anyone know what the theory behind naturopath is or what the belief behind it is?
- That would depend on what you mean by "theory behind". The article naturopathic medicine can give you a good starting point in understanding the tenets, scope of practice, etc. A naturopath is not necessarily a medically trained physician, and anyone can live a naturopathic lifestyle. But in order to be a naturopathic physician and truly practice naturopathic medicine with a full scope of practice, you have to graduate from on the the six naturopathic medical schools in North America, pass the board exams, complete a residency or internship and practice in a licensed state. I think the article will be sufficient in helping you understanding beliefs and theories, but for more info, you can go to my schools website (ncnm.edu) or continue a discussion by emailing me using the “Email this user” link on my page here. Thanks for asking. --Travisthurston 01:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Medical Practice Acts & Naturopathy
Use of the title "physician" is protected in states where naturopaths are not licensed. Where naturopaths claim to "diagnose" or "treat," they are likely to be in violation of that state's Medical Practice Act and should be reported to the state board of medical examiners. HealthConsumerAdvocate 23:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: Medical Practice Acts & Naturopathy To be more precise: The use of the title "physician" is protected in each of the United States of America. In states where naturopathic physicians are licensed, the state government has passed legislation which grants naturopathic physicians a certain scope of practice as primary health care providers and thus the protected use of the title "physician". In states where licensure has not yet been granted, naturopathic physicians can neither treat nor diagnose disease. If a consumer is interested in naturopathic health care but resides in an state that does not license naturopathic physicians, the consumer may be able to consult with a naturopathic physician. In doing so, the consumer should be very cautious and confirm that any physician they consult with has graduated from a four-year, acredited, naturopathic college and passed the NPLEX exam. This processes is simplified by consulting the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians (AANP) at www.naturopathic.org. Stephenmeeneghan 09:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)StephenMeeneghan
naturopathy Okay I made some changes without consulting this page (typical of a doctor?). I have trouble with being excluded from the traditional naturopath category just because I have clinical training. The licensable degree of ND is not differentiated from the mail order degree by belief in medicine, but by degree and scope of training in it. The major distinction as I see it is that we are trained on actual human beings (we must work a certain number of hours with humans to graduate) where they are not. This doesn't mean that they are useless or even untrained with humans (I have met many nurses that have gotten the "other" ND who have as much (although different) clinical training as I do). It simply means that you do not know based on this degree if they have any training or not in diagnosis or practical training in treatment. I also recommend the www.naturopathic.org website- use the find an ND feature to see who is in your area (even if you are in an unlisenced state- these people are at least lisencable). Anna Abele, ND 07:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)Anna Abele, ND
[edit] The healing power of nature
Anyone who believes natural medicine to be gentle has never weathered a hurricaine. Herbs can kill as easily as drugs. They can also heal as powerfully and sometimes more powerfully. No one thinks that digitalis as an herb is better than the drug (I hope). It is too changeable (strength depends on waterfall and sun exposure and location of the plant) and can build up in the body to create toxic side effects (including death). The therapeutic window (benefit is derived before toxicity is reached) is too narrow and the possibility of serious harm is too great. Digitalis as a drug however (where all of these variables are controlled) is very useful.
Sometimes the herbs indicated for a given condition are more gentle than the available drugs (if there are any). eg. Herbal COX 2 inhibitors do not have the same side effects in the liver and heart as the pharmaceutical ones. Garlic has far fewer side effects than statin drugs when lower cholesterol is your goal. Sometimes this gentleness translates to decreased efficacy, and sometimes not.
Let us not make the mistakes of modern medicine and throw out all of the information gleaned before we arrived. Much of scientific western medicine is useful, most of it can be used better than it is currently. It is not always about willing the mosquito away, but using something short of a sledge hammer to kill it. Anna Abele, ND 06:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)Anna Abele, ND
[edit] POV problems
We really need to cover the Evidence-based medicine side. We can't just ignore it, and all criticism. Adam Cuerden talk 02:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
