Talk:Nice guy
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[edit] New article
I have just created this article mostly from journal articles. There is a lot more research on this subject to summarize, so it's only just a rough start. I will also update it to discuss the book No More Mr. Nice Guy. I know that there are a lot of strong opinions on this subject and polemics on the internet from various perspectives, but let's try to keep this article verifiable. If anyone knows about more references to "nice guys" in pop culture, like movies/TV, the page needs more of that stuff because right now it is mostly summarizing academic research. Also, I kept "nice guy" in quotes throughout the entire article. Do people think this is the right way to go? --SecondSight 10:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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- You can get a list of "nice guys" in pop culture from amazon.com and from IMDB. I always like to run through each of Google's products to get more information. I expecially like the Google books search. As for keeping "nice guy" in quotes, some of the information brought up by google only quotes it the first time.-- Jreferee 16:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Categories and other items
What a great topic. I checked the language category, but there does not seem to be much there. Linguistics might have more categories. Category:Popular psychology may or may not fit. You may want to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject_Linguistics as well. The term wise guy may have some relevance in a comparison of such terms. More thougths: You may want to move the word "controversial" from the first sentence to some place else as it seems too defensive. You may want to clarify the first sentence term the general public discourse. Does every culture in the world have a nice guy term or is it more specific to certain cultures? Here is a suggestion for the lead: "Nice guy" is a term in the general public discourse and in popular culture for a human male with certain personality traits and behaviors.[1] The term is vague, and means different things to different people, and thus some see the term as controversial.-- Jreferee 15:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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- You also may want to check out Nice guy syndrome to ensure that issues in that article are not repeated here. -- Jreferee 16:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions. I removed "controversial," from the first senstence, because it is mentioned later in the paragraph anyway. And I am well aware of the history of the Nice guy syndrome article ;) --SecondSight 02:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I do no like this article. It has a pro bad boy agenda. It is suggesting every women fancies the same thing. Is wikipedia the right sort of place for this sort of pub bar drivel. Which i actually find offensive. Anyway women who find bad boys attractive are just not very nice people themselves. There does not seem to be any reference to that fact. Many of the books referenced to are not text books, but cheap pub trash, by people with an often nasty agenda. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.131.2.202 (talk • contribs).
- The primary goal of this article is not to be liked, but to discuss verifiable sources on the topic in a neutral point of view, and that is what it does. If the research is incomplete, anyone can fix this by adding to the article any research that is left out. All of the sources except one are to peer-reviewed journal articles, which is not cheap pub trash. It summarizes plenty of research which seems to contradict the hypothesis that women go for bad boys, like the Urbaniak & Killman article. As for suggesting that every woman fancies the same thing, all I can say is: have you actually read the article? The Herold & Millhausen study I heavily cited found that women varied in their preferences. As for "pro-bad boy" bias, you will have to be more specific about which passages bother you. If there is any overarching theme to the article, it is that "do nice guys finish last?" is simply a stupid and ambiguous question. If you read my edit summaries, you would have noticed me saying that I will add more studies later, some of which find that women are less likely to go for dominance and masculinity in men. --SecondSight 01:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Categories again
I added this to Category:Gender. I'm thinking about creating a Category:Masculinity or Category:Gender roles or Category:Gender identity, any of which would work well with this article, and any of which will help break up the Gender category. Fishal 05:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ambiguity vs. vagueness
From the article:
The term is vague, and means different things to different people.[2]
If there are different meanings at use, then this would be a case of ambiguity, not vagueness. I'm not quite willing to change it, though, since doing so might render the statement at odds with the citation. How does the cited article explain it? Simões (talk/contribs) 22:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think you are right, and ambiguity captures the author's meaning better (yet I think the term is vague also). I just changed it. --SecondSight 05:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Agentic": Relating to an agency?
None of the common dictionary sources have a definition for this word. What the heck does it mean, and should it be replaced in the article with a clearer synonym?
Uriel-238 00:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Green Day song and the seduction community
The mention of the Green Day song Nice Guys Finish Last and the views of "nice guys" in the seduction community were removed without explanation; I have added them back in, but to the Appearances in popular culture section because I think they fit better there. --SecondSight 05:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jerk
Why does it link to the derivitive of acceleration instead of the personality type? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.52.215.78 (talk) 04:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
