Talk:North Park, San Diego, California

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of multiple WikiProjects Click on [show] for further details
This article is part of WikiProject Southern California, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Southern California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit this article, or visit the project page to join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. Stub This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the quality scale. Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.
This article is part of WikiProject California, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit this article, or visit the project page to join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. Stub This article has been rated as stub-Class on the quality scale. Low This article has been rated as low-importance on the importance scale.

I started some expandsion on this page by taking the "transportation" section from the Hillcrest page and altering it for North Park.Ltruett 14:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)Ltruett

Looks good. Thanks, -Will Beback 07:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I improved it a bit more and added more infos--Chicbicyclist 09:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for improving the transportation section. Still a ways to go before this is up to Hilcrest, but so far the article looks good.Ltruett 14:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)Ltruett

I removed alot of promotional stuff that are more at home in a travel brochure. Please refrain from doing so again in the future.--Chicbicyclist 20:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Paul, for the great wealth of history you've contributed to this article. Till now I didn't know how "North Park" got its name.--Moksharamana 01:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, good job but I removed a couple of unencyclopedic stuff. I als removed the statment that it is the busiest commercial center since this is no longer the case--Chicbicyclist 04:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate the edits -- it reads much better now after you both helped rewrite and edited the history section.! :) --paulwade 00:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A "Sizable Gay Community"

I understand that maybe someone wanted to call attention to the fact that there are Gays in North Park -- but what is the point? To attract Gays to the community? Where is the facts? What exactly does the word "sizable" mean? Do you have a reference for that? I mean why don't I put: North Park has a sizable amount of Fire Hydrants. Or North Park has many people who enjoy the missionary position? If you have a FACT about the gay population in North Park -- include it and give a reference -- and have a reason for doing so. If you don't have a reason for it, then why include it. I live in North Park and have some gay neighbors and some straight. So what? I'm striking it from the article for now. Add it back in later with legitimate references if you see fit.

One just needs to walk around North Park to notice this. I don't have any references but its not any secret that gay people have a sizeable community in North Park because of its proximity to Hillcrest. Gay bars(at least 6 - if thats not sizeable, I don't know what is), gay publications and businesses with the rainbow GLBT flags signifying GLBT friendliness can be seen dotting around the area. If you insist still insist that the area doesnt have a sizeable gay population(I'll use that more neutral language from now on), then you'll have to also cite the satement "interest in the history of North Park (especially its architecture) appears to be growing" with cold hard fact even though we both know its common knowledge. --Chicbicyclist 20:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to add that I am mentioning it in the article because they are a part of the "culture" of North Park. The presence of a sizeable gay population arguably has alot of influence in the neighborhood since they partly contribute to a rapid gentrification of a community, especially inner city ones like North Park(please see gentrification).--Chicbicyclist 21:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Is this an GLBT-activistical-sentence for you that you need to keep in here for some reason? If you want to put something along the lines of "Due to it's proximity to Hillcrest, which is considered by many to be the GLBT epicenter of San Diego County, North Park has a more-active-than-average gay community -- including <blah blah blah> (REFERENCE NEEDED.) Don't just make stuff up, Chicbicyclist. Give me some facts. What makes North Park worthy of mention of being Gay Centric and not Latino Centric or Missionary-Position Centric or Padre-Fan centric or Firehydrant-centric. Basically nothing, my friend. Basically, what you are doing, is Gay-ifying North Park -- and you and I know that's just a bunch non-referenced stuff you came up with. Sure there are Rainbow flags at Shooters and hanging on various bungalows in the area. But I've seen some with Dogs on them. Does that mean that North Park is some sort of Dog-lovers mecca of San Diego? Find a study that shows that North Park has a higher-than-average Gay Population than other areas of San Diego County -- then reference the stats. ]]).--Paul Wade

I am not gay-ifying North Park. It's already that way. Sadly, no official figures exist about the actual population of GLBT people in North Park, but so does for Hillcrest. Are you going to deny that Hillcrest don't have a higher than average gay population as well?

"Find a study that shows that North Park has a higher-than-average Gay Population than other areas of San Diego County -- then reference the stats. ]]).--Paul Wade"

Well there are no official studies but it is already assumed and there are a few anecdotes including this one: [[1]].

I also mentioned the higher than average concentration of gay bars in the area which is usually an indication of a higher than average glbt population.

You do have a point about mentioning other groups and say that North Park is a diverse, but I stand by my statement that the glbt is culturally significant to North Park today. How about this compomise:

North Park is one of the most diverse communities in San Diego and has sizeable populations of Latinos, Caucasians, African-Americans, Asians. A large population of gays, lesbians, bisexuals transgendereds are also present.

--Chicbicyclist 03:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

That is a good compromise, Chicbicyclist -- but I've broken your statement out into a new section I've entitled "North Park's Diverse Culture" -- and added an extra bit of info to the end of the sentence. Can you pls. check it and let me know what you think? Thanks for offering the compromise. --paulwade 15:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good, but I dont think it deserves its own section just yet, it might be better to put it as an intro in the Arts, Culture and Cuisine section(the diversity is what defines North Park's culture after all), but I'll leave it as it is for now just to see if it is expanded later.--Chicbicyclist 20:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)