Talk:Northern Ireland flags issue

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Where did you get the information on the proposed alternatives from? I've seen the news clip with the 3 suggestions from Alliance, but have never heard of this one supposedly being considered by the UK government - do you have a source for this?

Also, the Cross of St Patrick defaced with the star and hand has never been flown at any Northern Ireland matches I've been to as shown. There is often a similar one [1] which is green in the left and right segments.

Admittedly, the defaced St. Patrick flag is rare at football matches, however, I have witnessed it a couple of times. A good example of it being seen is in rugby - dig up any old TV footage of Ulster winning the European cup in 1999, and there are quite a few of these flags in the TV pictures.

Jonto 19:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't sign that above. Still new at this logging in lark. Anyway, I'll take your word for it, though all I can remember is the sea of white Ulster flags. I think the defaced St Patrick's cross would be my preference to be honest, but I've never actually seen one - I did nearly resort to making one at one point, just as an example - couldn't find the emblem for the middle though.

Beano ni 21:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Other flags 2 SVG, SVG, SVG!!! 3 Merger 4 Star of David 5 Unofficial flag of the Ulster Nation 6 Paramilitary Flags 7 Designing a new flag

[edit] Other flags

I've seen in Northern Ireland a few times that nationalist communities sometimes fly the Palestinian flag, and in reply the Unionists will fly the Israeli flag. It would be great to get a photo of this. Seabhcán 09:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that really falls under the rubric of this article, but it is an interesting subject, now that you mention it.

Here are a few pics I found through Google Image Search,

http://simonward.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?large/nireland,4,#palestine.jpg

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/mccormick/photos/no1331.htm#photo

http://uk.altermedia.info/images/israeli_UFF_flags.jpg

I was always under the impression that the support for Zionism among Unionists was in reaction to the Republicans.

The IRA did received funding/arms shipments from Libya, and training from the PLO/Fatah and Syria, if I'm not mistaken.

But other than that, I think a lot of the support stems from their shared beliefs.

The Provisional IRA, while not normally assciated with Marxism-like the Official IRA, or the INLA-still has a lot of residual socialism and Marxism in their political doctrine.

Ruthfulbarbarity 22:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I saw a flag behind the goal line at the NI vs Iceland match on 02/09/06. It was based on the Union Jack, but had the red replaced by green. Does anyone now what this flag's origin is, and whether it should be included in this article?

--194.75.159.78 10:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean this flag? I'm afraid I don't know where it comes from or what it means. Maybe User:Keithgreer knows as he sometimes uses it in his signature. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Also see this: http://flagspot.net/flags/gb.html#col

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's the one. I read from the 'flagspot' site that the Union Jack sometimes has it's colours change to show affiliation with a particular football team. If that is the case here, I don't imagine it should be included.

--194.75.159.78 07:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems likely that the flag adopts the green and white colours of the IFA Northern Ireland national football team (and the blue away colour.) So the flag is interesting but I agree that it doesn't belong in Northern Ireland flags issue. Maybe Keith, who, I think, introduced the flag to Wikipedia, can confirm. Either way, you might appreciate his we're not Brazil userbox --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the lack of reply so far, back at University. I the initial PNG after seeing it at a Northern Ireland football match. I don't think it needs to be included here, it would possibly open the flood gates to every other sport team flags.  Keithology  "Talk"  09:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SVG, SVG, SVG!!!

It would be really nice to get these flag images as SVG. - Thanks, Hoshie | 06:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I concur. —Nightstallion (?) 11:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

I'm against merging this into the main article. —Nightstallion (?) 11:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Me too! NotMuchToSay 18:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I would be of the opinion that both articles are substantial enough, on their on merits, without too much crossover. I would also be against the merger.   theKeith  Talk!  18:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Since there seems to be no desire to merge the articles, I'll remove the proposal from the top of the page. It's been up there about 10 days, so I think that has been long enough to gather opinion. NotMuchToSay 14:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Star of David

Could someone explain the 'Star of David' objections, as I've never heard that before. Surely the 6-pointed star only represents the 6 counties of Northern Ireland. Is this anti-semitic idea? --Indisciplined 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe that that star on the NI flag has anything to do with the Star of David, but there are some people who seem to believe otherwise. This misconception isn't helped by the fact that some Loyalists fly the Israeli flag! Some protestants apparently believe that the Protestants of Ulster descend from the "Lost Tribe of Isreal", though I'm not entirely sure what that is.

Personally I don't think the Israeli references have a place on this page, but others disagree

NotMuchToSay 10:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unofficial flag of the Ulster Nation

I made the unofficial flag of the Ulster Nation proposed by the Ulster seperatists. I think this flag should be added in the article, but I have few information about it (see also: [2][3]). — 韓斌/Yes0song (談笑 筆跡 다지모) 18:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The flag is included in the photo Image:NI murals Freedom Corner.jpg. — 韓斌/Yes0song (談笑 筆跡 다지모) 18:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It should probably be included. I notice that the thumb is closed against the palm in the photo by the way. Can you make the change to it? --Mal 03:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I made a 'thumb-closed' version of the flag. The hand in the new picture was from Image:Flag of Ulster.svg. — 韓斌/Yes0song (談笑 筆跡 다지모) 15:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it matters whether this one is open or closed - I think it looks better open, but IMO best for all the red hand images would probably have the thumb half-way open, as there seems to be no sources on any of this open vs. closed thumb issue! Jonto

I read somewhere, but I don't remember where, that the thumb was closed on the old provincial flag but open on the Northern Ireland flag (backed up by the images in Wikipedia). Since the Ulster Nation movement grew out of disaffected unionists, I'd imagine the thumb on those flags was from the Northern Ireland flag - open. But just a guess really. beano 21:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paramilitary Flags

There has been much dispute in Northern Ireland over the flying of paramilitary flags (mainly loyalist) particularly during the marching season. Should they be mentioned here? Lucas42 17:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

When I set up this page I intended it to show flags which have been used to represent Northern Ireland as a whole (with the possible inclusion of the Republic or Great Britain). I don't think the flags of illegal paramilitary organisations should be here - nor do I think that flags for institutions such as the Royal Irish Regiment the Irish Football Association or the GAA should be here either. Of course, as this is Wikipedia, if there is a consensus that this page should encompass other flags, then maybe we should change things. NotMuchToSay 16:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this article should be kept for flags which have/could represent Northern Ireland. But it would be interesting to have an article about the sensitivities about flags, especially paramilitary ones. Maybe it could be expanded to include murals and such. « Keith ^t/_e» 16:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Designing a new flag

I'm not sure if this is the best place to publicise this, but I will anyway. I wanted to see if it was possible to design a new flag for Northern Ireland, so I started a webpage - [4]. I'd like to get a few designs up and try and get a discussion going on the issue. What do people think? NotMuchToSay 20:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)