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Contents 1 Time for a wikiproject? 2 Archives 3 External links 4 Sadako Sasaki and the bomb 5 Most Origami Cranes Made 6 External links 7 Citations 8 Comments in code 9 Proposed Extension 10 cleanup

[edit] Time for a wikiproject?

The origami topic has plenty of articles, and certainly needs expansion. is there anybody else that would e intrested in forming a wikiproject for origami? list yourselves below:

• I think this category needs some organization, so I'm going to try and form a wikiproject for it. Ahudson 19:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

• I suppose this message is something like 6 months too late, but I am totally in favor of forming an origami wikiproject. --Wayne Miller 20:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archives

I have started an archive for the Origami talk page. There hasn't been too much argument and discussion, but I figured we should probably start archiving before it reaches that point. When an issue gets resolved, please put it into the archive after a few weeks. Thanks! --Ahudson 18:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

A link to a website by Rick Nordal has been added to, and removed from, this article multiple times. The website presents a "Snowflake" game based on origami. The game involves pre-creasing, box pleating, and pinwheel bases. Despite the game's name, it does not have any 6-fold symmetry snowflakes. The website also has detailed directions for the waterbomb. The website uses very few standard origami terms.

Should the origami article have a link to this website?

Should a related article (perhaps one that discusses box pleating) have a link to this website?

I pose the questions in hopes that this mini-edit war can be resolved. I do not presume to answer these questions, because I have a conflict of interest. (One of the external links is to my website.) -- Jasper 18:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll say it's a vanity link, judging by the Wiki guidelines: "In most cases a vanity intent of the writer can be fairly easily deduced from the general tone or content of the article or information." --202.156.6.54 23:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

yeah, you're probably right. I'm working on cutting down on the number of links by going to all of them and taking out the unnecessary and repetitious ones (although I haven't actually started yet). I still think this is a great list of links, but its far too long to be part of an encyclopedia entry. should I just delete them, or could you put a page on your website with a list of them? we can't post another article on wikipedia with ONLY links on it, so i don't know what to do... i'm going to save a copy of the original list just in case, if someone doesn't like the changes then please tell me or else I'll keep maintaining the list I made. Ahudson 23:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I've put back the link to the Origami Database on the basis that the site is unique in the origami world, and a useful resource in general.--202.156.6.54 15:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

OrigamiDatabase may be unique, but it does not offer any info to someone who is new to origami. It has no diagrams, and no info on origami history or math. It may be a useful resource to those who have been doing origami for years and have money to spend on building their origami libraries, but the average person will almost never use it. I therefore propose that we should delete it. Ahudson 00:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

What data have you got to back up your statements? That seems rather like a personal opinion rather than a hard fact. Until you can show that, I propose that should be on the list. For example, let's say someone's doing a school project on origami and is trying to find out how many traditional models exist, or how many variants of the traditional crane there are. As far as I know, there are practically no websites that can tell you that. The Origami Database will at least give you an estimate.137.132.3.11 07:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You don't need data for this sort of thing; the Origami database just doesn't provide further information for the layman on the topic of origami. This sort of link might be a good thing on an article about origami diagrams or models, but it doesn't seem to provide any information on origami itself. see WP:EL. Ahudson 16:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

By that reasoning, neither does Gilad's Origami Page, and yet it's on the list. Basically, I take issue with the fact that you seem to have unilaterally decided what goes onto the list and what doesn't. I'd like to hear more opinions, so I propose we do an RfC.137.132.3.11 01:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'm fine with that. I haven't looked that closely at Gilad's site, maybe it shouldn't be there either... but I'll wait until the RfC to do anything more. Ahudson 16:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure it does. About the most common question asked by newbies on origami mailing lists and forums is 'Where can I find the diagrams for model X?'--137.132.3.12 03:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Another Question: should I leave a website on the list only for the reason that it is not in english? Ahudson 00:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sadako Sasaki and the bomb

I reverted this edit because I don't think it's disputed that Sadako Sasaki was born in 1943. Is it? Michael Slone (talk) 23:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most Origami Cranes Made

I was wondering if anyone knew what is the record for most origami cranes made by one person?

I don't think anybody keeps track of that; however, I'm sure it's somewhere in the tens of thousands. Ahudson 16:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I have just thinned down the external links in this article as per WP:EL. I would like to remind any of you that might be upset of a couple of things:

• External links are meant to extend the content of an article. This means that websites like the Origami Database, while they are useful to those who practice origami, are not included because they do not give further information on the art of origami as a whole and are not useful unless a particular model is required.
• Also, I found that it saved a lot of space to link to a separate page with a set of links on it, rather than leave several links to other origami organizations and related pages.

I would like to note that I am open to any discussion, I just thought that there were far too many links for anybody to reasonably work with the article. Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! Ahudson 17:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I have just repeated this process. I found that many of the links that I had previously deleted were simply added again; everybody please read WP:EL before posting links! They will most likely be deleted, unless they fit the criteria outlined there. Ahudson 23:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the origami video tutorials website for the following reasons: it uses non-standard diagrams; it has a lot of very high-bandwidth content that is therefore inacessible for many readers; it has almost no original information; and it uses scissors and other objects of origami-heresy. Ahudson 22:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

This article needs citations to many unsourced statements of fact. While they all sound right to me, sourcing them will help this article gain status within wikipedia. +Fenevad 16:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments in code

I have placed a couple of HTML comments in the code (in the technical folding and external links sections) for the article to warn Rick Nordal to stop link spamming. These comments are not visible unless someone edits the pages. Rick was blocked from editing Wikipedia last week because of his consistent linkspamming, but apparently the block was never made effective, even though an admin posted that it was going to take place. The comments are there to try to bring Rick into discussion about the article rather than constant addition of his link. I think he could probably contribute a lot to this article if he would enter discussion. Therefore, please leave the comments in place until the end of the month (January 2007). --Fenevad 15:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the block was implemented, but it was only for 24 hours (that is pretty standard for a first time block of an IP). I have submitted 24.85.248.99 (talk • contribs) to WP:AIV again for another block request. -- Satori Son 16:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I submitted both the user name and the IP. The IP was blocked for 24 hours, as you note, and the username (RIckNordal) was listed as being given an indefinite block, but for whatever reason that block didn't seem to be actually implemented. Sorry I wasn't clear. --Fenevad 16:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like the indef block on Ricknordal (talk • contribs • logs) did go through as well. Don't forget, a blocked user is always able to edit their own user page (so they can appeal the block, if desired). Anyway, the underlying sockpuppet IP has now been blocked again, so I'll see you here in a couple days. ;-)  Satori Son 17:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

How odd. When I examine the block logs for Ricknordal, I don't see anything listed at all, but if you say it's been made, that's good enough for me. --Fenevad 17:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, I see above you have expressed a desire to discuss this with him. It looks like he has made some comments to that effect on his user talk page, so you may wish to engage him there. You're right, he might be a great contributor if we can turn him around, but this constant edit warring and ignoring consensus is obviously unacceptable behavior. -- Satori Son 17:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the code comments. They don't seem to be needed anymore. -Fenevad 17:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Extension

I know this sort of thing would generally want to be avoided, but would it be a ppropriate for this article to make a list of diagrams available online? There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of diagrams that are available; we could maybe select a hundred or so that are exemplary, fold them and upload pictures, and make an article. But would it be appropriate here, or on wikibooks, with a link to there from this article? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks! Ahudson 23:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] cleanup

• I just removed a refrence to a guy named Norio Torimoto on the assumption that it was a vanity post-- I've never heard of the guy, and a google search turns up very little-- but I may be mistaken, so please corrct me if I am! Ahudson 22:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)