Talk:Pablo Mastroeni

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Contents 1 Defensive depth chart 2 Caps 3 first half tackle 4 Dollar amount for fine 5 Biography assessment rating comment

[edit] Defensive depth chart

Does anyone actually know what a defensive depth chart in the context of football? I follow football pretty closely, and have never heard this expression before. Googling merely shows up some references to American Football. Caek 20:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caps

According to the article, he has 46 caps, which is already out of date according to the player box. Wouldn't it be better to leave this kind of stat out of the article all together, and just keep the box updated? One less thing to worry about. Caek 20:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] first half tackle

What is a "first half tackle"?--Panairjdde 20:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

A tackle during the first half of the match. Do you think it's unclear? Caek 20:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Definitely. I am rewording it.--Panairjdde 20:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, and thanks. Just out of interest, why don't we link June 17? (I'm new at this!) Caek 20:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It is not necessary to link each word in the text, and sometimes it is counter-productive, since it clutters the page. My personal taste is against the idea of linking 17 June, since it does not really matter in relationship with this event (I do not think 17 June links to this page or includes a reference to this red card.--Panairjdde 20:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

That makes sense. Thanks. Caek 20:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you are supposed to link 17 June. This allows for user preferences to work. See WP:DATE. - Jon Stockton 22:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dollar amount for fine

This is a pretty minor thing, but I would like to re-add the dollar amount for his fine. Considering this is an American player, many of the people visiting this article are likely American and would have no concept of the value of the Swiss Franc. - Jon Stockton 18:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, re-adding. He's not really a big international player, so I think the dollar value would be useful to many readers. The first thing I would do as a (perhaps ignorant) American would be to look up the conversion to dollars, so this would skip that step. The 2006 FIFA World Cup disciplinary record should only have Francs because it's a very international page, but the article for, say, an Italian player I would think should have Francs and Euros. It also seems to me that many more readers elsewhere around the world, maybe not in Europe, would recognize the dollar value more than the Franc value anyway. - Jon Stockton 22:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

??? So, if it is an Italian player, let's write the article in Italian! The whole point is wrong. The fine is in Swiss francs, any currency change introduces errors and is related to the time in which you make it, thus I am going to remove it.--Panairjdde 00:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

There are other proposals but Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Currency says: "Conversions can be made into other currencies that are more familiar to most readers, such as the euro or United States dollar. Conversions should be in parentheses after the original currency, with the year given as a rough point of reference, for example, one thousand Swiss francs (approx. US$763, c.2005), rounding to the nearest whole unit." Considering the context of the article as I stated above, this would be a good place to give the conversion. I would have to believe that most of the readers of an article on a not very internationally prominent American player would be more familiar with the US dollar than with the Swiss franc. The idea is to provide the majority of the readers with useful information. I agree, we can't go overboard with making articles specific to a country or region, but I don't think adding one parenthetical number is overboard, nor is it even too specific. - Jon Stockton 02:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree with your position. Mastroeni got international fame for his red card, the competition is international and therefore the currency is the one adopted by the international board, and a reader can click on the link provided to check the conversion for his/her currency. On the other side, adding a single currency correction introduces errors, and can not be easily understandable by all — I am, for one, not able to translate from dollars to euros, in this moment.--Panairjdde 10:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think there are significant errors because there was a specific exchange rate at the time the fine was given. Moreover, I think the benefit to the many people internationally who are more familiar with the dollar than with the franc outweighs the possible sense of unfairness some people might feel in not seeing their currency. That said, this is definitely not something to edit war over, so I'm fine leaving it out. Thanks for the discussion. - Jon Stockton 13:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography assessment rating comment

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