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	A detailed history, especially of early years PRR named trains Electrification: the NYC-DC high-speed electric service was in effect the world's first TGV Better description of territory (map?) A few photos to break things up a bit Copyedit Explain whether passenger, freight, or both services were offered at any given historical period
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Page listing named PRR trains has been created.

Names were obtained from list at http://monon.home.insightbb.com/mpages/pn.html

List is of named trains from most American railroads and the major cities where they operated.

Contents 1 Everything that became part of the PRR 2 PRR license plates 3 Low grade freight lines 4 GA Re-Review and In-line citations 5 Possible copyvio - Electrification section 6 Good Article Review

[edit] Everything that became part of the PRR

• Baltimore, Chesapeake and Atlantic Railway
• Barnegat Railroad
• Calumet Western Railway
• Camden and Amboy Railroad
• Camden and Atlantic Railroad
• Cherry Tree and Dixonville Railroad
• Cincinnati, Lebanon and Northern Railway
• Cleveland, Akron and Columbus Railway
• Cumberland Valley Railroad
• Grand Rapids and Indiana Railway
• Long Island Rail Road
• Maryland, Delaware and Virginia Railway
• Monongahela Railroad
• New York, Philadelphia and Norfolk Railroad
• Northern Central Railway
• Pemberton and Hightstown Railroad
• Philadelphia and Beach Haven Railroad
• Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington Railroad
• Pittsburgh, Chartiers and Youghiogheny Railway
• Rosslyn Connecting Railroad
• The State Road of Public Works
• Toledo, Peoria and Western Railway
• Tylerdale Connecting Railroad
• Vandalia Railroad
• Waynesburg and Washington Railroad
• Washington Terminal Company
• West Jersey and Seashore Railroad
• Wheeling Terminal Railway
• Winfield Railroad

[edit] PRR license plates

I've seen a couple of these on the road, but now we've got an image of one:

Image:Paudsrr.jpg

Perhaps a few words could be added to the article to describe the plate and what the extra money for the plate goes toward? slambo 20:11, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

The image was deleted on January 29, 2006, for a lack of source info. Perhaps someone can get a photo of a PRR license plate? Slambo (Speak) 15:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Low grade freight lines

The following low grade or other freight lines are mentioned in the PRR Chronology or otherwise known:

New York - Philadelphia - Harrisburg

• Passaic and Harsimus Branch: Jersey City to Newark
• Pennsylvania and Newark Railroad: east of Newark or Colonia to Morrisville (not built)
• Trenton Cut-Off: Morrisville - Glen Loch
• Philadelphia and Thorndale Branch: Glen Loch to Thorndale
• Atglen and Susquehanna Branch and Enola Branch: Atglen to Wago Junction and beyond to Marysville (York Haven and Rowenna Railroad) PRR had charter rights in any county its main line passed through; YH&R was necessary to build in York County.

• Darby Creek Low Grade Line: 56th Street/Overbrook to Glen Loch, branch via Hog Island to Greenwich Yard (not built)
• Paoli to Thorndale part of Darby Creek Low Grade? not built AFAIK. Will check notes from Hagley visit

Harrisburg - Pittsburgh - Ohio

• improving grades to Petersburg
• Petersburg Branch: Petersburg to Hollidaysburg
• New Portage Branch: Hollidaysburg to Gallitzin
• Millwood to Latrobe
• Derry to Donohoe
• Derry to Radebaugh (not built)
• West Rochester to Kenwood
• Kenwood Junction - Rock Point - Wampum Junction (Pittsburgh-New Castle)

• Conemaugh Line: Bolivar to Pittsburgh

• Driftwood to Red Bank
• Pennsylvania Western Railway: Red Bank to Lawrence Junction and Enon or New Castle (Western Allegheny Railroad) (not completed)

• Pittsburgh to Cleveland via Youngstown (including Youngstown and Ravenna Railroad)

• Niles to Warren?
• Mount Union to Ryde
• Bentonville Cutoff: Bentonville to Dublin Junction
• Friendswood Hill on Vincennes Branch (minor)
• Fairhope to Bayard
• Griffth to Adenmoor (minor)
• Ben Davis to Almeda
• Charlotteville to Philadelphia, IN (minor)
• Greenville to New Madison (minor)

Italicized comments are from Choess. --NE2 07:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations

Members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles are in the process of doing a re-review of current Good Article listings to ensure compliance with the standards of the Good Article Criteria. (Discussion of the changes and re-review can be found here). A significant change to the GA criteria is the mandatory use of some sort of in-line citation (In accordance to WP:CITE) to be used in order for an article to pass the verification and reference criteria. Currently this article does not include in-line citations. It is recommended that the article's editors take a look at the inclusion of in-line citations as well as how the article stacks up against the rest of the Good Article criteria. GA reviewers will give you at least a week's time from the date of this notice to work on the in-line citations before doing a full re-review and deciding if the article still merits being considered a Good Article or would need to be de-listed. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us on the Good Article project talk page or you may contact me personally. On behalf of the Good Articles Project, I want to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into working on this article and improving the overall quality of the Wikipedia project. LuciferMorgan 00:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible copyvio - Electrification section

Is it just me or does the entire Electrification section read like something lifted from a book published in the 1940s or 1950s? Referencing image numbers for images that are not included here and noting that equipment first placed in service in 1910 is still in operation on LIRR both throw up red flags for me. Googling for key phrases doesn't come up with anything productive. Looking at the page history, the section was added on Dec 22 by GK tramrunner (talk • contribs) who has had many messages about copyright issues on images he uploaded. Slambo (Speak) 17:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking at some of the intermediate revisions on Dec 22, it seems like the original text came out of some kind of Optical Character Recognition software, and needed to be cleaned up. I know I have seen the labeled catenary photograph in old textbooks before. Perhaps The Pennsylvania Railroad: A Pictorial History by Edwin P. Alexander? Is Mr. Alexander even still living to give his consent to put this photograph in the public domain? Atomsmith 21:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The OCR seems likely, I hadn't thought of that. I don't know if the author's still around. Either way, it's looking more like the section needs to be removed, or at the very least updated to reflect the period between the book's publication and today. Slambo (Speak) 18:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Review

This article is currently under Good Article Review. LuciferMorgan 00:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)