Talk:Pi Kappa Alpha

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Any particular reason why some chapters on the link page has (SMYTHE AWARD) after their name, while other winners from this year don't? I'm changing VaTech's link to reflect this. There should be another chapter or two, but I don't have the data for this year's winners on hand. Could someone look into that? -JHolmes

1 Symbols and Motto's
2 Famous Pikes
3 Format
4 Please Cite This
5 Revisions
6 Colonel Sanders

[edit] Symbols and Motto's

The open Motto of Pi Kappa Alpha has been changed from "Once a Pike Always a Pike" to the current "Once a True Pike Always a True Pike" to reflect the True Pike Initiative passes at the 2004 Convention. The new motto is reflected in the 2007 Edition of the Pi Kappa Alpha Garnet and Gold Pledge Manual and reads: The greatest tradition of Pi Kappa Alpha... "Once a True Pike Always a True Pike". I am not a fan, but it is indeed the current open motto, I believe that this should be reflected but users keep editing my changes.

Also noted in the New Garnet and Gold Pledge Manual is that the White Horse as an open symbol for the fraternity. There are a lot of other symbols so this could be a bit confusing but all the other symbols are listed.. Why not the white horse?

[edit] Famous Pikes

I'm currently in the process of refining, updating, and linking famous Pikes in their correct sections. If I have made any mistakes, please feel free to correct them (as per usual), and notify me if there are any glaring mistakes. I appreciate any help anyone is willing to give on this little project of mine, and welcome anyone to refine with me. Jmlk17 09:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Format

This does not appear to be written in the proper format of an encyclopedia article. I believe it is not impartial.

I find this hillarious that me and my suitemate got listed as famous pikes. I salute any person that has that pathetic of a life that they would add that fact to wikipedia.

No, what I find hilarious and pathethic is how you would disrespect your own fraternity and don't care about the information posted here. --† Ðy§ep§ion † ^{Speak your mind} 18:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed...it is pathetic. Jmlk17 22:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Cite This

This could be considered derogatory so I ask that you cite your source. I did a quick Google search and couldn't find this name. "Ryan Kauffman and Andy Acs - Founders of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Alliance (GLBTA)" Iheartwiki19 01:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm a Pike and I have looked everywhere and cant find any source where they are mentioned. Jmlk17 03:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverted AGAIN the Karl Rove as a Famous Pike section. Vandals keep removing his name. Hey, I'm a Pike and I'm not too big of a fan of Karl Rove, but like it or not, he's a Pike...just leave it. Jmlk17 20:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

6 students, not 5 like the website says, are generally regarded as the Fraternity's founders. The missing student is "Frederick Southgate Taylor." Not only was he a founder, he was the initiator of the entire thing. You need to fix this website mistake.

This article seems a little partial towards the fraternity, especially the last statement.

THE OPEN MOTTO IS "ONCE A PIKE ALWAYS A PIKE" -- please correct this

[edit] Revisions

Started revising the page to meet the proper guidlines for a fraternity page; and Karl Rove is listed as an alumni on the official Pike website. Sorry :)

Well, of course he is an alumni...everyone else listed there is as well :) Jmlk17 10:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

How can someone be an alumni if they didn't graduate from college, regardless it is worth mentioning since many greek organization take graduation and academic achievement seriously, even social ones. I wouldn't be surprised if PIKE took academic achievement seriously, but that they are trying to grasp a little of Rove's dubious fame. Regardless it is worth noting.--M4bwav 00:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, PIKE does have a policy, especially in the chapter I am in that just because you don't graduate, does not mean that you simply give up your association with the fraternity. He joined the frat, was an active member, and will always be. One of our mottos is "Once a Pike, always a Pike", and I think that right here in this case it does matter.

Jmlk17 05:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, as long as there is a mention of that fact.--M4bwav 13:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that your entry refuses to acknowledge the associated problems that your fraternity has. It's all well and good saying you stand for peace, justice and love of the world, but you cannot ignore the banning, the rape charges and all that alcohol abuse. It's like reading an article on Ted Bundy that says he was someone's son and he graduated from high school - and was in Gainesville for a period of time. 71.43.157.76 02:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Def Jam Joe

That makes NO sense...what banning for one? One guy rapes one girl and suddenly my fraternity is BAD? I am sorry for that, but Pike as a whole doesnt condone that whatsoever. And alcohol abuse is rampant in college...it's called college.Jmlk17 09:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Because EVERY month this fraternity has some bullsh*t in the news. This month it's the house they destroyed at UCF. Last month Florida suspended Pike. This fraternity routinely exercises racism,and sexual aggravation of women...and it's ALWAYS just one or two ba guys giving all of us a bad reputation. Do a news search on google for Pi Kappa Alpha and then Dela Sigma Phi and report the difference. Even if you look at news for Sigma Pi - you'll find issues, but the fraternity is taking action t ocut them off. So it makes LOTS of sense. This is not an advertisment for Pi Kappa Alphs - it's supposed to be an unbiased encyclopedic entry. If the Kim jong il page was represented to the world as it likely represented to North Koreans, you'd be outraged. It's on a lesser scale, but same principle.

-- Yours GI Joe

Yeah, because as a Jewish Pike I was definitely banned or something right? Give me a break.Jmlk17 03:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Pikes are an organization that support racists and rapist losers. Thank god everyone knows wikipedia is full of self aggrandizing horse-sh*t. You totally miss the point mr Jmlk17. I'm off to say what a great guy Kim jong il is now...

First off, sign in to start an argument; second, your claims are based on what, personal opinion? What basis are they on? What Pikes have you dealt with? What, if any, fraternal organization are you in? Jmlk17 06:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

If you have reliable and consistent information that you would like to add to the article in accordance with WP:NPOV, please do so and cite your sources. Thanks. --Rodzilla (talk) 23:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)