Talk:Project Megiddo

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1 For shame
2 Plagiarized
3 Curious
4 I'm really trying hard to find the notability of this
5 Recent edits
6 Does the origin of the name bear mentioning?
7 RS
8 Mike Zieper

[edit] For shame

Next thing you'll be creating some article called Bush as Hitler, or other such claptrap. The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 07:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL - Remember to comment on the content, not the author. --Nuclear~~Zer0~~ 17:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Please stop following me around. The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 18:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Glass houses and all. --Nuclear~~Zer0~~ 03:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarized

The initial paragraph is plagiarized almost word-for-word (with a few words and phrases slightly changed) from the Religious Tolerance page about the topic. See here. Jinxmchue 18:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Huh? The majority of this stub consists of quotes from the FBI report.

On October 20, 1999 the FBI released a report entitled "Project Megiddo". Its purpose was to warn law enforcement to "the potential for extremist criminal activity in the United States by individuals or domestic groups who attach special significance to the year 2000." The report also stated: "The threat posed by extremists as a result of perceived events associated with the Year 2000 (Y2K) is very real. The volatile mix of apocalyptic religious and (New World Order) conspiracy theories may produce violent acts aimed a precipitating the end of the world as prophesied in the Bible"

The bolded is all quotes. They can't be changed. Don't worry. I'll be expanding this article greatly, and I'll rewrite the intro, adding more info, and naming the extremist groups the report warned of. - Fairness And Accuracy For All 22:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Try looking beyond the quotes from the FBI report. Do I really need to spell this out for you? Jinxmchue 05:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Forget it. I will spell this out for you:

WP: On October 20, 1999

RT: On 1999-OCT-20,

WP: the FBI released a controversial report entitled "Project Megiddo".

RT: The FBI announced a report called "Project Megiddo".

WP: Its purpose was to warn other domestic law enforcement agencies to

RT: It is intended to alert U.S. law enforcement to what they describe is

WP: quoted text

RT: same quoted text

WP: The report also stated:

RT: An accompanying FBI statement mentioned that

WP: quoted text

RT: same quoted text

It is painfully obvious this was a cut-n-paste job with minor word and phrasing changes. Jinxmchue 07:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. File some kind of protest if you don't like it. - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

And yet you changed it (a bit)... Jinxmchue 18:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL! I already said I would be rewriting it - back on Jan 09. " I'll rewrite the intro, adding more info, and naming the extremist groups the report warned of. - Fairness And Accuracy For All 22:10, 9 January 2007" Pay attention please ;-) I'm curious - which school of Eschatology do you follow? Favorite notable preachers?- Fairness And Accuracy For All 00:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, so the intention to rewrite something at some point in the future justifies plagiarism. You just couldn't have waited to create the article until after you rewrote it in your own words (that weren't simply just synonyms and such). Jinxmchue 14:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Curious

Fairness And Accuracy For Friendly People, now you've got me curious. Can you provide a citation to the actual FBI report -- I'd like to see it. The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 03:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You might have tried Google, Morton ;-) The third result is the PDF - The one with with the URL www.fbi.gov/library/megiddo/megiddo.pdf - Cheers - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That link is not working. Do you have another? The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 19:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, a Google News Search reveals zero hits, and an ordinary Google search reveals no mainstream sources -- just blogs. Are there some legitimate sources out there for this information? Morton Devonshire^Yo 03:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Working link. F.F.McGurk 07:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wasnt there a general warning about purposely mistating peoples names? --Nuclear~~Zer0~~ 03:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm really trying hard to find the notability of this

This is one out of hundreds or even thousands of FBI reports that have come out. Why does this one garner so much attention? Particularly in the light that nothing came of it! The only attacks planned for the millennium were by al-Qaeda. (Gosh, imagine that!) Seems more like an attempt to paint fundamentalist Christians in a negative light. Jinxmchue 14:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edits

Recent edits have deleted the description of the report as 'controversial', and mention of the ensuing controversy. This is fact and not POV. The Christian Right felt smeared by this report, and they made their voices heard. - Fairness And Accuracy For All 05:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does the origin of the name bear mentioning?

Do you guys thing the origin of the name "megiddo" bears mentioning in this article? Most projects don't list the origin of the name, because frequently they're meaningless and chosen to sound innocuous (IE "project eggplant" for CIA drug experiments, 'paperclip' for the requisitioning of Nazi scientists). In this case, though, meggido being the hill that's supposedly the site of armageddon (lit. "hill of megaddo"), it might bear mentioning. Wintermut3 18:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RS

1. 2. 3. F.F.McGurk 07:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I added a wide array of WP:RS to this article. I don't have time to format them (but can later and seriously expand the article as well, if no one beats me to it). See here:

Public US Government archive of the project..
The FBI and Mad Bombers.
FBI Targets `Right Wing' - Project Megiddo lists possible threats in the millenium
PBS Frontline Apocalypse
www.religioustolerance.org Project Megiddo #1
www.cesnur.org Project Megiddo #2
FBI Warns Of Millennial Violence Risk
FBI warns of Y2K violence by apocalyptic groups
FBI Releases "Project Megiddo" Report
The ACLU Strikes Back; Lawsuit Filed Against the FBI for Foul Play

Quite, quite notable. How was that in question? I found them in <30 seconds. F.F.McGurk 07:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I found a lot of mentions of it as well. The trouble was that most of them were from conspiracy-theory type sites. The mentions in the main-stream press, like the one from the Washington Post linked in your answer, mostly just reported the existence of the report and didn't go into any details about its importance. Steve Dufour 19:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Zieper

He's the film maker that was defended by the ACLU. Anyone feel like starting an article on him? He seems more notable, and interesting too, than lots of people who have WP articles. Steve Dufour 01:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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