Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/BryanFromPalatine

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[edit] BryanFromPalatine

• BryanFromPalatine (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• The Friendly Ghost (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• H4672600 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) - Added 1/23/07
• Fensteren (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) - Added 1/23/07
• DeanHinnen (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) - Added 1/25/07
• 209.221.240.193 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • block user • block log • checkip) - Added 1/26/07
• Code letter: F

User's first edit was to BryanFromPalatine's user page and seems to be editing the same class of topics user's ClemsonTiger sock puppet edited (WW-II History).

Click "view" in the gray box to see prior requests, with a number of confirmed sockpuppets. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BenBurch (talk • contribs).

Note: CT edited baseball articles, not WWII articles; TFG's edits were to "wikify" an article, rather than add or change any core information; and TFG removed a link to BFP's full name, home address and home telephone number that was posted using an open proxy. Removing it protected both BFP and Wikipedia. This history is constructive and not consistent with others. BenBurch's RFCU is unsupported by a proper WP:SSP investigation and should be denied. H4672600 20:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

NOTE: Based on edit history, H4672600 appears to be BryanFromPalatine. --BenBurch 00:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

NOTE: Based on the fact that BenBurch has just been blocked for 24 hours for mischaracterization, can you believe a word he's said? Dino 03:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

For an indication that these IP addresses in question are being used by other, very real people (not sock puppets) for legitimate purposes such as dispute mediation and resolution, Mackensen is encouraged to read this. BenBurch has successfully been using WP:SSP and related templates (as well as WP:RFCU) to intimidate and eventually get rid of anyone who disagrees with him. See this. Dino 19:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

A coordinated attack on Wikipedia by an army of sockpuppets ... [Refactored to protect personal info Dino 21:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)] In any case, even if Dean is real and a separate person from Bryan, he is acting as a Meat Puppet here and elsewhere in the limited time since he was unbanned, and all of the other accounts blocked so far absolutely were found to be sockpuppets. This affair stinks to high heaven. --BenBurch 01:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

NOTE: Only one "of the other accounts so far absolutely were found to be sockpuppets": ClemsonTiger. 12ptHelvetica was described as "possible." None of the others (Kynouria and ArlingtonTX) have even had a Check User done on them. BenBurch is mischaracterizing again and he was blocked for his mischaracterizations. Dino 03:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Deferred to Mackensen who handled the last request. Essjay (Talk) 06:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed except for Fensteren. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 18:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Have you even bothered to read this? I will cut and paste the relevant sections for your review below.

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This account was initially blocked for being a BryanFromPalistine sockpuppet. After investigations and substantial and very civil discussion with this user on unblock-en-l, our opinion is that this person is Bryan's brother and not actually a sockpuppet. Furthermore, although the edits looked like meatpuppetry, they were actually legitimate and good faith attempts to remove libel from Wikipedia articles. To avoid even the appearance of meatpuppetry, this user has agreed not to edit the article, Free Republic, directly but may still participate in that article's talk page and is specifically encouraged to report libel on that page at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard (assuming that is the right forum for the libel). Once again, this person showed nothing but civility during the investigation on unblock-en-l despite the time it took. He has our apologies for the block. Dean, please feel free to leave a brief note on the talk page for Free Republic referencing this message if you feel it appropriate. --Yamla 18:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Yamla's analysis. Dean: If posts to the Free Republic talk page aren't getting corrections done fast enough, please let me know, and I'll try to help transcribe stuff if there is clear consensus for it. Long term I'd like to see this self imposed restriction become liftable as long as we don't have any issues around the editing and content... ++Lar: t/c 18:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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Lar and Yamla are two of the most senior administrators at Wikipedia. They were joined in this unanimous Unblock-en-l decision, after an extensive, exhaustive and time-consuming review of the overwhelming evidence in my favor, by Luna Santin, another senior administrator.

Josh, please read my e-mail. Dino 20:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Note: I was asked to make an analysis. I made my analysis. It's not up to me (that is, me-the-checkuser) to parse the meaning of the analysis; I'm asked whether the underlying IPs bear a pattern that is congruent with sockpuppeteering. Such a congruence may be treated as prima facie evidence of socks, but it's rebuttable; however, it's not my job to deal with the rebuttal, and this is not the place for it either. I'm acting as a fair witness here; what I see is what you get. (Except for the stuff I'm not supposed to let you get.) --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 21:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

... and this is not the place for it either.

Then what is the place for it? Dino 22:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Dunno for sure. AN/I might be appropriate. But since you're not asking for work from the checkuser team now, there's nothing to continue here. (If you want to question my actions or decisions regarding this, the talk page would be OK.) --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 22:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• I have brought this to ANI. I'll let the Admins decide how to deal with this, and abide by whatever they choose to do. But this is a VERY uncomfortable series of events that lead up to this. --BenBurch 23:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BryanFromPalatine

• BryanFromPalatine (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• ClemsonTiger (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• JohnnyCochran (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• 209.221.240.193 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • block user • block log • checkip)

• Code letter: F

209.221.240.193 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log), ClemsonTiger, and JohnnyCochran are all sockpuppet users of checkuser-confirmed (multiple violations) puppeteer BryanFromPalatine (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log • rfcu) (This user (Bryan) was blocked for two weeks on Jan 06, after one day back from a one week block. (all for puppetry) Bryan admitted to this IP puppet after it was shown that this IP replied ( IP 209/Bryan's edit ) to sock puppet charges against another puppet of Bryan, banned user ArlingtonTX (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log). This IP signed the edit as BryanFromPalatine. This new suspected puppet, ClemsonTiger, has edited Robert Bosch, and Free Republic and claims to be a Clemson grad, an intellectual properties lawyer and a 'liberal'. Note that confirmed and banned puppet of BryanFromPalatine DP1976 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log • rfcu) also claimed to be an Intellectual Properties lawyer and a liberal, and edited Free Republic, Bosch, and Clemson. New suspected puppet ClemsonTiger almost certainly a 'clone' of 'ficitious persona' DP1976, one member of a whole 'army' of BryanFromPalatine's puppets.

ArlingtonTX, confirmed puppet of Bryan, wrote (regarding other fictitious personas in his sock puppet army) "BryanFromPalatine is part of our "tribe." So is DP1976. So is 12ptHelvetica. DP1976, for example, is a flaming left-wing partisan. DP1976 edited for 1-1/2 years on yet a third different broad range of topics such as Clemson University. " sock army discussion

Checkuser conclusions on DP1976, confirmed puppet of Bryan : HERE

On his FIRST DAY of editing, Jan 02, 2007, ClemsonTiger (BryanFromPalatine) BLANKED the page where an admin had posted the sockpuppet confirmation of one of Bryan's sockuppets - on the user page of 209.221.240.193 an Admin checkuser-confirmed puppet account of puppeteer Bryan. Bryan/ClemsonTiger Blanks Page - Fairness And Accuracy For All 23:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

AND The talk page for that IP address now proclaims that it is indeed ClemsonTiger, and checkuser confirmed this IP is BryanFromPalatine. Can we please have a permanent sanction against this person [and IP 209.221.240.193] who continually evades blocks by sockpuppeting? BenBurch 00:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Puppeteer BryanFromPalatine recieved a one week block on "29 December 2006 Ral315 (Talk | contribs) blocked "BryanFromPalatine (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 week (Sockpuppeting.)"

New puppet (of Bryan) ClemsonTiger was 'born' on Jan 02. On his FIRST DAY of editing, Jan 02, 2007, ClemsonTiger (BryanFromPalatine) BLANKED the page where an admin had posted the sockpuppet confirmation of one of Bryan's sockuppets - on the user page of 209.221.240.193 another Admin checkuser-confirmed sock account of puppeteer Bryan. Bryan/ClemsonTiger Blanks Page

MORE: :On Jan 04 2007 ClemsonTiger admitted he was also IP user 209.221.240.193 Clemson admits he is User:209.221.240.193

For additional evidence, including comments from the accused please see the current sockpuppetry case. ByranFromPalatine's 4th sockpuppetry case - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

MORE EVIDENCE: ClemsonTiger admits HERE than his first edit to Wikipedia (as IP 209.221.240.193) was Dec 06, 2005 "My first Wikipedia edit was on December 6, 2005"(actually, it was Dec 02, 2005, but that's beside the point) You will find posts from 'ClemsonTiger' (posting as 209.221.240.193) on Dec 06, 2005 HERE and any rational person will agree that these are not the contributions of someone born in 1966, as ClemsonTiger claims, and wants us to believe that he was. The house of cards has officially collapsed. - Fairness And Accuracy For All 01:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Clerk note: this case page was growing exponentially with discussion. In the interests of fairness, everything but the request has been moved to the talk page. This includes a response by the accused, which is an attempt to explain something the checkusers may find relevant. All discussion not made by a checkuser or clerk procedurally-related to this case should be continued on the talk page. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 23:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed. Mackensen (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested Sanction

Since the sockpuppeteer was using this sock puppet to get around a two-week block, I request the following sanctions;

1. Reset of BryanFromPalatine's two week sockpuppeting/3rr/disruption block.

2. Lengthening of that block to three weeks.

3. Permablock on all of the sock puppets mentioned in this process.

4. Blocking the associated IP address for the same duration as the block on BryanFromPalatine so we won't have to come back here again in a couple days.

Thanks admins, you do a mostly thankless job here and I appreciate what you do. --BenBurch 00:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Clerk note: That's not a job for RFCU - instead, WP:ANI. I've cross-posted it to there. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 02:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC) It appears Dmcdevit blocked Bryan indef and ClemsonTiger as well. However, as a note, requests for sanctions, especially in contested cases like this, go to WP:ANI - please see WP:RFCU/C/G#Enforcement. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 03:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, kind sir! BenBurch 03:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BryanFromPalatine

• BryanFromPalatine (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• DP1976 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• 12ptHelvetica (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) (new)
• 208.250.137.2 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • block user • block log • checkip) (new)
• 209.221.240.193 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • block user • block log • checkip)

• Code letter: A

Several 'new editors' started editing and acting in concert to sway the NPOV of a hotly contested article all at approx the same time. Their actions and writing style caused other editors to believe that they might be sockpuppets and/or meatpuppets. A case was filed on BryanFromPalantine.

On Dec 26, User DP1976 admitted that he was also User IP 209.221.240.193. HERE User 209.221.240.193 posted on Dec 14, HERE and subsequently, user BryanFromPalatine both edited said post 'claiming ownership' of the post by adding his name HERE and added additional text to this same post, again representing himself as 'BryanFromPalatine' HERE

One user/IP address is therefore posting as at least three different and distinct 'users' in an effort to illegally 'vote' and sway consensus. F.A.A.F.A. 07:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

See also this sockpuppet case; Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/BryanFromPalatine --BenBurch 07:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Clerk note • Removed private information posted. Please see the privacy policy. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 16:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

As always, the BenBurch/FAAFA comedy team assumes the worst about anyone who disagrees with them. They ignore the possibility that two (or three, or more) real, live people might occasionally post from the same IP address. If they acknowledge that possibility, they then assume that they are all "Meatpuppets" rather than "sockpuppets." We are different people and we have differences of opinion, as evidenced by our different responses to the constant hostility/suspicion displayed by BenBurch/FAAFA, and as evidenced by the distinct posting histories at each IP address, prior to registration. Each IP address was used for a different period of time, to edit a completely different array of articles. - DP1976 19:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

More evidence

Bryanfrompalatine confirmed sockpuppetry by 12ptHelvetica who he says posts as 208.250.137.2 "B. The home address of 12ptHelvetica is 208.250.137.2" see HERE On Dec 9 at 22:05 IP 208.250.137.2 added "I see that this issue has been the subject of much contention since I last looked in on November 16".... HERE 5 minutes later 12pt posted agreeing with the post from 208 (himself) "I agree" "Count my vote in the consensus" adding a 'vote' to a consensus tally. HERE - F.A.A.F.A. 03:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Even more evidence

On 12/21 DP1976 edited the post of 12ptHelvetica adding content HERE - F.A.A.F.A. 03:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but isn't calling all of these examples "proof" a little presumptuous of you? "Proof" indicates that it's an undeniable fact that your accusations are true, which it is not. You are providing evidence, not proof. Jinxmchue 04:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed DP1976 and BryanFromPalatine. It is Possible that 12ptHelvetica is the same. Dmcdevit·t 09:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Clerk note: Bryan appears to be the puppeteer, as that account is the older of the two. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Clerk note: "Erroneous sockpuppet finding" discussion and discussion about who is the puppeteer moved to talk page. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 01:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Clerk note: case moved to Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/BryanFromPalatine - the history is still available here. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 06:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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