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Contents 1 Article Split response 2 I hate to point this out but... 3 Notes please 4 Royal Knights 5 Gallantmon and Magnamon 6 Talk 7 Where'd Duftmon go? 8 Possible Royal Knights 9 Appearance summaries (section 1) 10 Crusadermon 11 Attacks 12 any more knights?

[edit] Article Split response

I don't think there is a need to fit all info of each Royal Knight member on this page. I think they should get their own pages back like they were before this merge. Rtkat3 5:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with this. The members can easily be listed on this page, with a link leading to the appropriate page.

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Aren't you jumping the gun a bit, I mean so far the Royal Knights are making cameo appearances (appear and get defeated) Gallantmon and Sleipmon are gone so far, Crusadermon in ep 42 and Duftmon in ep 43, they will appear and then predicted to fall.

Can this split decision wait a bit until the season is at least over so we know if it is worth make a page for that knight of not as what happen if that was Gallantmon's only appearance? or Duftmon? or Sleipmon?--WarDragon 23:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The thing about this is, even a merged article here at Royal Knights is a likely target for deletion for being fancruft.. individual articles have only stood for so long because it's such a pain in the ass to try to get them deleted / merged. -- Ned Scott 01:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. A look at past afds for -mon articles confirm this. Some were deleted, some were merged (although people kept recreating them), and some of the recent ones was kept because plans for this merge was already in place. --`/aksha 09:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

This article only contains information about the members of the Royal Knights (i.e. Gallantmon) as they appear IN the Royal Knights (as in, outside of other appearances). However, searching for any Royal Knight takes someone directly here. Due to the normally unstructured path of digivolution (Agumon can become Tyrannomon and Devimon can become MetalGreymon), it would be incorrect to put all of Guilmon's forms in one article. Also, in the case of Omnimon, would it really make a lot of sense to have the same information in both the Agumon and Gabumon articles? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.95.119.120 (talk) 17:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] I hate to point this out but...

The chances are much higher that Gallantmon and/or Sleipmon survived instead of died for a few reasons

1: All digimon become Digitama when killed. Unless that Digitama is destroyed, then the Digimon will be reborn, unless Royal Knights have a different way of re-birth

2: The Royal Knights are much more powerful then Normal Digimon, even Digidestined Digimon, as shown by the strength of Gallantmon. It would take a much longer fight to weaken a Royal knight enough to kill them.

3: The Shield Cracked. This most likely means that Gallantmon just barely managed to destroy the sheild in time to avoid death, which de-digivolved Sleipmon, who was then taken by Gallantmon to the Super Computer.

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isn't not surviving and dying the same thing? unless you didn't mean to but the "neither" in.

1. Can't answer that

2. Considering Sleipmon was also a Royal knight, it seems that they were equal power-wise even though Sleipmon was injured

3. Possible but considering that Gallantmon was sent by Yggdrasil to destroy the human world so the digital world could survive, i doubt he would have just left, he could have carried on. --WarDragon 16:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the Neither, and a few other errores I can't really remember adding. But it seems to me, even if Gallantmon survived, he would be extremely weak from the fight against Sleipmon. I also thought that Gallantmon was one of the more powerful Royal Knights, up in the ranks with Omnimon and Alphamon, though Sleipmon could be in the same group, I just think Gallantmon would be more powerful then Sleipmon, presumbly because he managed to crack the shield.

I have an idea. How about we just don't mention Sleipmon and Gallantmon's fate in the article? Because...really, we don't *know* whether they survived or not, so saying either is technically speculation. --`/aksha 09:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I like that idea, just stating they disappeared should be enough, and not fall under speculation, as the only thing we really are sure of is that they Dissapeared. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.175.205.251 (talk) 19:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

All the articles have been hopefully edited--WarDragon 21:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes please

Can we have something or even a note that tells a person editing the article that the digimon in 01, 02 and tamers were not the royal knights? I mean I made this mistake and changed it when corrected but in the history discussion section there has been a constant adding of 01, 02 or tamers to the appearance list. So can something be done about it?

Also can we do something about the whole gender thing about Crusadermon?

--WarDragon 21:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

1. i think this is a combination of people doing it on purpose, and people not yet used to this digimon-by-character format (so as in, i'm not sure those people adding the information for magnamon 02 realizes we have a section in a different article about him). We can of course add a few of those notes that can be viewed only by people editing into the articles (i'll go do that now). The other thing we could do is to put disambiguation links (so a link on the magnamon section pointing to the veemon article). We used to have them, but i removed it because i figured they were redundant (magnamon redirects to veemon, so we have a disambiguation link to the veemon article. BUt someone couldn't have reached the royal knight article by searching for magnamon).

2. as for crusadermon - as i said in the edit summaries - we really need a source before we can state that crusadermon had its gender changed. I mean, unless it's explicitly stated in the anime itself, we can't say that based on observation alone. So saying it had its gender changed is a pretty big deal, i don't think it's something we should put into the articles without some kind of a source. As for the pronouns - i think i'm going to go rewrite the section so we can avoid third-person pronouns altogether. --`/aksha 01:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

On the first point, I think that links shold be made to the other characters who have info in other articles (the Veemon and Agumon articles). Even though you say that Omnimon and Magnamon aren't royal Knights, they are still Magnamon and Omnimon, so people wanting information on all appearances of the character by that name can find it. Bellahdoll 00:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Bellahdoll

The article used to have such links. I removed them because i thought they where not needed. This is because Magnamon actually redirects to the Veemon article. So anyone looking for general information on "Magnamon" would be sent directly to the Veemon article. On the Veemon article, there is a link pointing to this Royal Knights article.

Therefore, people reading the royal knights article have either followed a link, or where actually looking for information on the royal knights. Anyone looking for information on magnamon from digimon adventure 02 by typing in magnamon in the search box would have been automatically sent to the veemon article.

The same goes for the others. (Omnimon redirects to Agumon, and Gallantmon redirects to Guilmon)

I'm not against having links, but i think they're unnessasary. Given what i've just explained, do you still think it's a good idea to have them? --`/aksha 13:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought, but, since Veemon redirects here, shouldn't this page also have a link to the Veemon article. My main reasoning is that when I look up a certain character I want to see all appearances, not just as part of the royal Knights but in other circumstances. I understand that the other information should NOT be in the RK article, I see it as convenient to have a link to said other information. Bellahdoll 19:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Bellahdoll

What redirects here? Veemon certainly doesn't redirect here? Which article are you talking about? --`/aksha 04:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, isn't there a way to have the link go directly to the Magnamon, Omnimon, Gallantmon section of the Veemon, Agumon, and Guilmon articles? If so, readers would still get the information on other characters without having to go through things about lower form of the said characters. Bellahdoll 19:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Bellahdoll

Yeah, that's what we do. We use piped links (so [[Veemon#Magnamon|Veemon]].) So since the the mangamon in 02 is just another form of the character Veemon, the sentence reads as "for the Magnamon featured in Digimon Adventure 02, see Veemon". However, the link on "veemon" actually takes people straight to the Magnamon section. --`/aksha 04:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to say Veemon redirects here. What I meant is there is a link to the this article under the Magnamon section of the Veemon article. Bellahdoll 07:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Bellahdoll

That would be fine. -- Ned Scott 08:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Knights

Could the royal knights true forms be dragons. In tamers gallantmon turned into a dragon. In frontier dynasmon turned into a dragon and the founder imperialdramon turns into a dragon.

Maybe the Royal Knights are all just Knightmon wearing different costumes. I'm confused as to why this section is titled "Megidramon". Since when did Megidramon have anything to do with the Royal Knights? --`/aksha 13:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gallantmon and Magnamon

For Gallantmon, it lists him as a Virus, I thought he was a Vaccine, like most of the other Royal Knights.

For Magnamon: It lists his level as Armor, but it seems he is a bit more armored then the Golden Digi-egg version, meaning he might actully be a Mega, just a Mega form of an Armor version of Magnamon, or something. I am not even completely sure if the armor is different, but it looks like it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.0.10.6 (talk) 00:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

Gallantmon is Virus attribute, so are all of his other forms (Gallantmon Crimson Mode, Guilmon, etc.).

Magnamon... his level as a Royal Knight does seem to be kind of disputed, the Magnamon from 02 was an Armor level Digimon, but the Royal Knight Magnamon (who appears in X-Evolution and Savers) is more than likely a Champion level Digimon, hopefully his level will become clear in Digimon Savers. Nightmare SE 01:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep, Gallantmon is virus. As for Magnamon, i would have (logically) thought it was a mega, as with most of the other Royal Knights. But Magnamon from 02 was defintely an armor leveled digimon. There're very few cases of where a single digimon species have had different levels - so really, we have no reason and information/evidence to suggest Magnamon in the royal knights is not armor, even if it does seen a little illogical. --`/aksha 13:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Magnamon is Armor/Adult everywhere (since Armor and Adult are defined as being the same thing in Japan, except Armor is obtained through Armor Evolution instead of normal evolution), with the exception of a few V-Pets. For example, in the Pendulum X, Magnamon X is listed as an Ultimate/Mega. All versions of Magnamon, whatever the level or X-status, are counted as Royal Knights, though. Shining Celebi 19:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That can't be right. Gallentmon from Tamers isn't a Royal Knight. This Magnamon posseses more power then the normal Magnamon from 02. And if he is more powerful then that one, he must be an incredabliy powerful Digimon. The 02 Magnamon gained power from each digi-egg, of which Davis had three, meaning he had power, presumably of a high-level Ultimate. Besides that, Remember that Serphimon gave his power to him to Armor-digivolve, when Serphimon is shown to be extremely powerful, meaning Magnamon must be stronger then Serphimon, meaning the Royal Knight version is even more powerful.

The amount of Digi-eggs Davis had has absolutely nothing to do with Magnamon's power as Magnamon was clearly weaker than Kimeramon who was an Ultimate in the anime. Magnamon has a high level of power for an Armor digimon because of his gold digizoid armor which makes him as strong as a mega (although that does not make him as well rounded as a mega as gold digizoid armor is only power, not defense or speed.). As for him being stronger than Seraphimon, Seraphimon (and Magnadramon) released the golden digi-eggs before de-digivolving, that in no way makes Magnamon or Rapidmon stronger than them. Also the Magnamon in Savers more than likely digivolved normally from a rookie (Veemon) just like how Allomon and Harpymon were Champions in Tamers. Nightmare SE 16:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought Kimeramon was Mega, or atleast as strong as one. I also thought they said that the more digi-eggs that a person had, the stronger each one was. And What I was pointing out in the Seraphimon thing was this, Seraphimon is the end result of the same Digimon Line that has Angemon, a Champion on Par with most Ultimates, and Magna Angemon, Who was able to over power Piedmon, the leader of the Dark masters. Meaning that unless Seraphimon lost power in digivoloution, He should be almost as strong as super Megas, like Imperaldramon Fighter mode, and such. Thus, in order for a digimon like him to summon the eggs, even though he had an Ally in his fight, the Golden Digimon must be more powerful then he was, otherwise he could have simply fought and bested Churubimon by himself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by X-Antibody (talk • contribs) 19:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

Kimeramon is a mega in a couple of video games, I'm not sure if in the anime he's was as strong as a mega but he was definitely above average as far as the Ultimate level goes seeing as he gave the DigiDestined far more trouble than MetalGreymon ever did. Seraphimon's digivolution was never really explained (nor was Magnadramon's), all we know is they digivolved so they could release the digi-eggs and not to fight, perhaps they thought they would de-digivolve if their partners were turned into children. As for "super megas" the only level that exists beyond Mega is "Super Ultimate" which is in V-Tamer, Imperialdramon Fighter Mode is mega level, even Omnimon in V-Tamer was mega level, Seraphimon was also in V-Tamer, and was defeated by Arkadimon Champion. Nightmare SE 20:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Chimeramon is counted as an Ultimate/Mega in many places, and the Perfect version is generally pretty close to the strength of an Ultimate. Magnamon is supposed to at least have the attack power of an Ultimate, but his Gold Digizoid provides a decent defense too, and level doesn't have so much to do with speed. Nobody ever said anywhere, though, that having more Digimentals made them more powerful. That's simply not the case at all. Secondly, regarding the Angemon line, they are not that strong. Angemon is stronger against dark Digimon, and neither Angemon nor Holy Angemon overpowered Piemon. Angemon got totally owned, and Holy Angemon just knocked him off a cliff. If you rewatch the episode, you'll notice that even Garudamon can send Piemon flying, and Andromon fought Piemon for a pretty long time. Thirdly, the third movie is out of continuity. It's not supposed to make sense. Magnamon and Rapidmon were not stronger than Seraphimon and Holydramon would have been. Presumably, they summoned the golden Digimentals because they wouldn't be able to hold their forms long enough to fight, or something. Or maybe they did plan on fighting Cherubimon, but they wanted help. And lastly, Super Ultimate is just a kind of Ultimate, not a higher level. Shining Celebi 20:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You know...the people who made the anime, and the people who made the movies, and the people who made the games....where *not* the same people. And i doubt they really sat down and discussed all of this. Magnamon probably got re-used because he looked cool, and people liked him. But i doubt the folks making savers really cared about the cannon explaination for golden-digi-egg-ing in Digimon 02.

Similarly, the people who wrote the trivia on the card game (which is where all this digizoid information comes from) probably didn't have much to do with the anime people... --`/aksha 03:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk

I just went on to digiport, and there was an episode title in Digimon Savers thet was called Episode 48: The Last Enemy Justimon Meeting. Do you think that Justimon could be a Royal Knight, just wanted to let you know.

First of all, that episode title is far from confirmed. All that happened is that it showed up on 2chan, a Japanese image board, which is an extremely unreliable source. It seems to me that these titles have come much too early, and there's no other source backing them up. Regarding the subject at hand, I doubt very much they plan on making Justimon a Royal Knight. Shining Celebi 06:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where'd Duftmon go?

Someone got rid of his picture and data, and I think merged it with Crusdermon, what happened? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by X-Antibody (talk • contribs) 22:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

It was just a minor typo, all fixed. Nightmare SE 23:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Royal Knights

Justimon is a possible royal kight as well as Darkdramon and Tigervespamon. Susoonamon is also a candidate but unlikely as well as Mystimon.

The only real candidate is Rapidmon (Armor) (and even that is extremely unlikely), NONE of the Digimon you mentioned have any reason to be Royal Knights. Nightmare SE 16:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appearance summaries (section 1)

Could we make them a bit bigger and chunkier with information? I mean, I read them, and they feel small. X-Evolution is meant to be the main digimon film with the Royal Knights in it, and Digimon Savers is the second anime series with them in it and it has 7 lines of information when there is going to be in total 3 hours + of information going to be shown. Can we just add a bit more information into these sections? --WarDragon 12:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course, if someone can be bothered to write it properly. And when i say "properly", i mean something that doesn't look like someone's trying to write a novelization of the movie (or anime in the case of savers) on wikipedia. Something like "Each Digimon attacks, and slowly Avalon begins to crack, Craniummon in disbelief at seeing his shield crack has no choice but to use it as the attack persists." is too much detail, (describing a fight step by step), wrong tone (very story-telling, not encyclopedic) and in universe. --`/aksha 11:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, calm down, now just a point, nowhere on this site do they have a full plot summary about this episode, so they can't find out why Craniumon lost. Isn't it better to give a simple sentence one or two about how that person lost. I mean, I and others don't want to read the page; Somebody appeared, and later he died, with a few side notes on appearance etc that is just not right, a person and summary needs more than that.

"Each Digimon attacks, and slowly Avalon begins to crack, Craniumon in disbelief at seeing his shield crack has no choice but to use it as the attack persists." I think I might have put that up, but with this you have to remember some key things; one its not too detailed for example they or I, didn't add what order the digimon attacked, what attacked was used, the environment around them etc. Two, it shows that Craniumon's ultimate defence is getting beat and his state of mind and situation--WarDragon 12:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Why do we need a full plot summary for the episode? We don't need it. The summaries at List of Digimon Frontier episodes give a good example of what level of detail we really *need* for something like a digimon episode. In fact, we actually do have a List_of_Digimon_Savers_episodes which give a plot summary of all digimon savers episodes (or at least should, if the article is being updated).

As for the example i put up - it is too much detail. Way too much and in the wrong tone. For a start, it's in universe. Secondly, if Craniumon haveing his ultimate defense beaten is a significant plot point, then we should be written about it as commentary. Something like "[whoever craniumon was fighting] managed to defeat what is Craniummon's ultimate defense". Something like "Craniumon in disbelief at seeing his shield crack has no choice but to use it as the attack persists." is in-universe - it's not commentary, it's basically describing what happens in a story-telling novelization tone. --`/aksha 08:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not saying a "full" summary of each characters emotions and everything else ahs to be included but maybe though of. Considering that half the frontier episodes haven't been added in yet, its not a really good example to use. Also there is a big difference between plot summary and the "actual" plot (with inbetween bits). The plot summary doesn't tell people that Avalon cracked? it doesn't say people views or conversations? probably because of the summary word =P

Also yeah i get your point about the in-universe thing, sorry about that.--WarDragon 17:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crusadermon

I see you removed the gender references to Crusadermon...that's kind of a lame way to skirt the issue. I remember you were talking about not being sure if the Japanese Crusadermon was a male - someone has to have a subtitled copy of a Frontier episode they can check. And I KNOW you guys are watching Savers, was Crusadermon called a male in that? Indiawilliams 05:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

uhh...not sure who you're talking about. But i've removed gender references to it before, so i'll assume it's me =P. What i wasn't sure about was the comment that "Crusadermon was meant to be male in the original japanese, but had his (or her?) gender changed to female in the dub". That's the thing i said we needed a source for. Otherwise, if crusadermon is defintely male in savers, then i don't see anything wrong with just using 'he' for it. But from my understanding, jap pronouns aren't gender-sensitive. So i'm not sure how Crusadermon could possibly be called a male in savers. --`/aksha 13:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attacks

Are all the attacks listed for the digimon actually the ones they have used this season, and does it even matter if they aren't? I just want to know if there is any answer either way, so I don't delete something for a bad reason.128.211.254.142 15:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, this article covers all the media where the Royal Knights have appeared - which includes Digimon Frontier, X-Evolution, Digimon Savers, the Digimon Card Game, and possibly some of the digimon games. So any attack that appears in any of those media should be included. --`/aksha 12:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] any more knights?

Has anyone gotten any new Royal Knights? Because it's been like a month now, and there is no new royal knight that anyone didn't hear about.

Nope, all the Digimon on the article page are confirmed Royal Knights, the other 3 have yet to make an appearance, but might in future media sources such as the cards game, games, or manga.