Talk:Samurai Champloo/Archive2

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Contents 1 Too many links 2 8 Mile? 3 Episode 11 - Ending Music 4 Visual Metaphors 5 Can't follow episode 6 Cowboy Bebop spoiler 7 Adult Swim Censorship 8 Not enough images... 9 Pointlessness. Redundancy. Sloppiness. 10 Dates 11 Certification 12 Mugen 13 Samurai Champloo Commercial 14 Mugen

Too many links

We dont need that many link on the bottom of the page, especially fansite links, this area should be simplified.-Tik

I suggest comparing these links to the ones on the Cowboy Bebop page. Bebop has 12 links: 3 are offical sites, 3 are encyclopedic sites, 4 are fansites (well done and quite famous one, however). Champloo has 10 links: there are 4 official sites (wierd), 2 are summaries, i.e. tv.com, one is a gallery and one pertains to the music, leaving only 2 of the most popular champloo fansites to be posted here. Perhapes the links should be organized in this sort of fashion? --Pointyfingers 15:10, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I wont mess with the links, im not too good with organizing those, if someone wants to do it by all means go for it. I agree if they were more organzized they could look better. I dont know how many official sites we need but its not a really important topic so i wont fuss about it to much.-Tik

8 Mile?

The series also has some clear parallels to the Eminem film 8 Mile, and many anime buffs have made that comparison.

can we get some examples and specific sources here? otherwise this sentence is pointless.12.47.223.8 21:59, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree. What parallels, other than that they both involve hiphop? That sentence needs to be removed until someone can bring in some confirmation. User:Antrophica

Episode 11 - Ending Music

I've been doing research but so far have been able to confirm whether Gamblers and Gallantry's ending song (when Shino escapes with Jin) is a remix/sample of Jose Feliciano's Affirmation or George Benson's (who redid it) or simply an original tune. Though it not being included on any of the official soundtracks seems to go against that last possibility. I'll leave it out of the article until I can get some confirmation. Antrophica 04:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Visual Metaphors

This show is chockfull of them. I don't have access to any of the episodes at the moment; I'm listing what I can from memory. Anybody with the DVDs at hand, feel free to expand that section. Antrophica 19:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

If you wanna list all of them fine, but make sure you bother to explain what they mean.Bowen 02:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

It's unnecessary to explain the obvious. --Antrophica 16:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Can't follow episode

What exactly is happening in the episode where Mugen jumps off a cliff having been chased by soldiers.

The main confusion I have is where Jin says he was misled by the girl. Hackwrench 06:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm willing to help you, but I'll need more information. First of all, are you watching subbed or dubbed? If you are watching neither, do you understand Japanese? And what is the episode number? --Cyde 06:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

He's referring to the Episode 13 & 14 arc, 'Misguided Miscreants'. I found it easier to understand in the English dub. The scene where Mugen leaps off the cliff into the sea below is a flashback in sepia tone, which Watanabe (the director) is fond of using. Mugen was going to be executed for piracy (he was double-crossed by Mukuro), but decided he'd take his chances by taking a dive into the ocean, which he survived. The flashback mirrors the present events, where it's essentially the same thing happening all over again (Mukuro betraying Mugen).

The rest is explained in the Character Wiki, in Mukuro and Kohza's sections. In short, Kohza let Mugen die because he wasn't interested in helping her get away from Mukuro. She told Jin that Mukuro was behind everything, but neglected to tell him the rest of the story, that Shiren was in on the plot, too, and both of them planned to use Jin to kill Mukuro. Jin was clearly not happy about having been lied to and used like that, as he went after the the both of them. He was aware of Mugen's long-standing hatred for Mukuro and only killed Mukuro because he thought Mugen was dead and wouldn't be able to do it himself. He left Kohza to Mugen because he couldn't kill her himself (Bushido restricts samurai from attacking unarmed women).

Sorry. I'm not very good at simple explanations. --Antrophica 12:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks I appreciate it. I'm watching Samurai Champloo on Cartoon Netword Adult Swim. I kind of find not being very good at simple explanations an attractive quality, as I don't really care for them anyways. I didn't catch on that it was a flashback. Hackwrench 04:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Cowboy Bebop spoiler

Who put the huge Bebop spoiler under 'Crows'? :( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.120.225.56 (talk • contribs).

• Sorry about that. I've updated the spoiler warnings. --Cyde Weys _talk^contribs 11:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • That was me; it slipped by.

Regarding the spoiler warning, what about making use of the End Spoiler template, if it lives the deletion poll? --Antrophica 07:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

• Nahh, I don't see the point. The less clutter on the page that isn't directly related to the article, the better. Hence why I also wanted to keep the number of spoiler tags on the article down to one only. --Cyde Weys _talk^contribs 07:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

You don't see the point? How about the fact that any spoilers to Cowboy Bebop aren't "directly related to the article" to begin with? At the very least, you need an end-spoiler warning to tell readers when they can safely get back to the article if they haven't watched the other series. More appropriately, the information related to Cowboy Bebop should be moved to it's own section and appropriately spoiler-warned. I'd do it myself but I still haven't seen Cowboy Bebop and would like to not ruin myself beyond what I've already read here, to my extreme displeasure. --Rocketgoat 22:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure why you have spoilers to one anime in a different article. That stuff belongs on a page dedicated to the director. I expect SC spoilers here but not CB ones so I just casually scrolled down and find spoilers to an anime I'm only half way through. Make a directors page, this stuff doesn't belong here. Bowen 01:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Adult Swim Censorship

Can anybody confirm the extent of Adult Swim's censorship, as well as the usage of "fuck" in the English dub? I've yet to come across it. Editing Methods ought to be rewritten to accomodate the all of this once it's been confirmed. --Antrophica 02:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

• I will look ito obtaining a copy of the american version to compare with my Japanese version. Drn8 19:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• ratings 100% corect according to imdb as of my last edit, Imdb link at the bottom is to the samurai champloo page that is the source of my info. Drn8 04:47, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

  There's already an IMDb link in External Links, Drn8. There's no need to keep adding another one. If you manage to obtain all the episodes in English, could you look specifically into finding out if "fuck" is uttered at all? We'll list it under the Editing Methods section if it is. --Antrophica 06:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

  • will do, I just came down with the flu, and it looks like I missed the pre-existing link twice. DERP!Drn8 14:10, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Whatever axe you have to grind about adult swim, this is not the place to do it "Antrophica" Changed "editing" to "censorship" as editing reffers to filmic technique. A REAL section on the Mise en Scène and filmic technique would be sweet. the aus. rating is 'M' until someone provides a source to the contrary, I have provided a source in support. Drn8 00:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
      • I'm not the one making the "M"->"MA" edits on the Australian ratings, but I think I'll speak up for it anyway. See Television rating system#Australia. It would appear that "M" is the major rating and "A" is subrating, which stands for "medium level adult themes". I'm not sure if that would make it M-A or M though, or if, indeed, it got that "A" at all. At least in the US when a show is ranked TV-14 with violence & sex, it doesn't become TV-14VS, it becomes TV-14 VS. Whatever. Not important, eh? Leaving it as "M" should be fine. --Cyde Weys _talk^contribs 01:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
        • I have no ulterior motives, Drn8. I didn't create the section on Editing Methods; I cleaned up and expanded it. It didn't even occur to me that "editing" might be a mislabel.

Cyde, I lived in Australia, and the "MA" 'combined' rating does exist. But IMDb lists Samurai Champloo as being rated just "M", so we'll leave it at that.

Additionally, Drn8, I think Adult Swim actually censored "shit" and "goddamn" for Champloo, but left it in for The Boondocks. I think that was what the original informant was trying to convey. Did you confirm this before deleting the paragraph? --Antrophica 03:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

• I didn't delete the paragraph, that was done prior to my last edit, I Don't have all the adult swim episodes yet, when I do, I will make a through list of swears with the time and episode in which they are contained so as to finally put this matter to rest. Drn8 03:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Not enough images...

Is it just me, or does this page not have enough images? >_>... - 172.184.209.124

• It could use one or two more, I guess. I'd put in a screenshot of a flock of crows in the Visual Metaphors section if I had the episodes to grab them from. --Antrophica 10:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I have the fansubs on my computer, if you tell me which episode and approximately at what time in it the flock of crows is, I can take a screenshot. I'd still prefer if someone had the actual DVD though. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 15:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
    • There are crows in every other episode, I think. Surely one of them has got to contain a scene of a flock of crows flying together. A close-up of a single crow would be fine, too. --Antrophica 00:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Pointlessness. Redundancy. Sloppiness.

68.108.96.45, please stop inserting things like "most graphic animated show ever made" unless you have a reasonable source to cite. I think the article, especially the Certification section, speaks for itself. Additionally, inserting "strong" in front of "graphic violence" is pointless and redundant because graphic violence already means strong violence. All this makes the article look sloppy. --Antrophica 10:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

• Most graphic animated show ever made? Hah! It becomes clear to me that whoever said that really has no experience with anime in general. They've probably only seen the anime on Fox (like Pokemon) and maybe some other tame shows on Cartoon Network. But in the grand scheme of things Samurai Champloo is nothing. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 15:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Dates

Adult Swim started airing episodes 14-26 eight days after they premiered the series? Apofisu 04:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Certification

I think Samurai Champloo contains enough of the following to justify their listing: graphic violence, strong language, brief nudity, sexuality and drug use. If you're a detractor, you might discount drug use on the basis that the events of Episode Nine were meant to be comedic. But drugs were consumed. To be precise, an entire field of marijuana was lit up and almost everyone in the vincinity got stoned. --Antrophica 16:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

That wasn't marijuana, it was opium. Geez. Keep in mind Wikipedia does not offer advice and it is not censored for the protection of minors (see WP:WWIN). Given that, I think we should include only information on content from a reputable third-party source. If the TV Ratings Board (or whoever it is) says it contains "Violence and strong language", that should be included. If you think "drug use" should be included because of your personal opinions but it's not in the published ratings, it shouldn't be included. This is not about what you think. Understand? --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 17:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it's all but stated in the episode where it appears that that is indeed marijuana. I'm not a drug expert, but from the appearance of the plant to the effects to the intentionally-anachronistic reference to 'purple haze,' I sincerely doubt it's opium.--MythicFox 10:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

But Cyde, I've yet to come across a source that actually lists the show's content, which is why I relied on my observation. Cite a credible source that doesn't include "drug use" and I'll rest my case. Right then, case rested. --Antrophica 03:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to drag this up again. Cyde, could you provide a source for the MPAA rating? It's been changed a few times since then by others and I'm unsure if they're conforming to the MPAA or simply switching it around to what they think fits best. --Antrophica 14:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Hrrmmm, I originally found that information on Amazon but now I'm seeing some of the DVDs as unrated (by the MPAA) and others as simply TV-MA. Anyway, according to WP:V we shouldn't list info on ratings unless it can be verified. What some random person thinks about the contents of Samurai Champloo doesn't matter; it has to be sourced. --Cyde Weys 09:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• Then we'll revert it for the time being, as, given his/her history, I don't think 68.108.96.45's opinion can be trusted. --Antrophica 09:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Frankly I'm inclined to remove the statements on certification altogether until someone posts a link that says one way or the other. WP:V is very important. I thought I had such a link earlier but I really didn't. --Cyde Weys 00:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Go ahead and remove it if you can't hunt down a verifiable source. --Antrophica 06:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Jbetteridge, the MPAA portion aside, the information in the Certification section was listed on IMDb. Unless you're absolutely certain that IMDb is grossly inaccurate, then simply removing an entire section like that can be considered vandalism. --Antrophica 15:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

• The information on IMDB is completley inaccurate. I live in Canada and there is absolutely no cerification known as "XXX", nor would such a rating even be given to an anime. That particular rating was obviously vandalism placed on IMDB, but the fact that not a single episode of Samurai Champloo has actually received a "TV-MA" rating for its television broadcast leads me to believe that none of the certification information is accurate. I also have to question the point of even having the certification section. It's not something I see often on other pages, and it's so incredibly subjective that it's pretty futile to try and keep track of. The section is completely NPOV based merely off of observation and unsupported facts and needs to go. Jbetteridge 21:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

• According to Cyde, some of the DVDs listed on Amazon were rated TV-MA by the MPAA. As for the rest of your argument, you have a point, since IMDb, like Wikipedia, is based strongly on user-submitted material. The certification section goes until we can back it up more accurately. Keep an eye out for 68.108.96.45 or anyone with a similar IP. He/she seems to live for certifying Samurai Champloo according to his/her own standards, and reguarly adds/removes such related material without discussion. --Antrophica 03:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

• Guys, Samurai Champloo is TV-MA becahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Samurai_Champloo&action=edit&section=11use the violence is too strong to be anything less. I know this because I have an uncle that works for the MPAA. And as for the TV broadcast, THEY EDIT IT FOR TELEVISION. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.108.96.45 (talk • contribs).

• An uncle that works for the MPAA isn't enough. It has to be verifiable. There is something wrong about your facts. 16+ is a UK rating. And it hasn't been confirmed that all the DVDs were rated. The Certification section goes until we can clear all this up. Don't reinsert it until we're done here. --Antrophica 07:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

• All of the DVD's are TV-MA. Some of the dvd's on amazon don't have a rating posted which does not mean it is unrated. It just means that the owners of amazon have not posted the TV-MA on the website yet but they will. Also they use the word "fuck" in episode 23 and strong violence in the rest of the episodes.Bporter28 08:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh, that's right. Who could forget about "Baseball Blues". --Antrophica 15:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • My DVDs all say 16+ on them. Geneon doesn't use the TV ratings like FUNimation and ADV Films do. --Tv's emory 22:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
      • 16+ is a UK rating, if I'm not mistaken. --Antrophica 02:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Maybe it is, but the DVD companies like Geneon Entertainment don't have to abide by a government body or one organization for a ratings system. They can create their own ratings, or like a couple companies have started doing, use the TV ratings system. For example, the back of my Lupin the 3rd DVDs (also Geneon) say "Rated 13 UP." In Samurai Champloo's case, it says 16 UP. --Tv's emory 20:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
          • In that case, their ratings aren't worth much. We can still document them, but we'll have to state "by Geneon Entertainment." --Antrophica 02:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
        • You can't do that! Most people do not understand the anime ratings or know what they are, so you must specify the show as TV-MA in the US. Also the anime ratings are in Japan, not in the USA. 16up is equivalent to TV-MA so it's like listing the same thing, except people will understand the information moe accurately. I have already taken the liberty of editing it because TV-MA is the exact, accurate rating.Bporter28 07:30, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but it's unmistakably clear that the people maintaining this certification section don't know ANYTHING about how ratings work in any country. I don't care if the source is IMDB, none of that information is accurate. None of it. Not only has Champloo never been given a TV-MA rating in any incarnation, TV-MA is not a rating given by the MPAA, nor would the MPAA even have anything to do with a TV series. The rating in the UK has never gone over "15", it was never given a rating of any kind of Japan, and the rating in Australia never went past MA-15. I see no reason to assume that the New Zealand one is accurate. All of this information needs to be taken down. It demonstrates complete and utter ignorance towards the subject. Jbetteridge 22:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

• It is TV-MA. I'm changing it back and anyone that edits it will be vandalizing and therefore expelled.(68.108.96.45 05:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC))

• The Certification section goes until we have explicit confirmation on its information's authenticity. --Antrophica 06:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

• All of the DVD's are TV-MA. Some of the dvd's on amazon don't have a rating posted which does not mean it is unrated. It just means that the owners of amazon have not posted the TV-MA on the website yet but they will. Also they use the word "fuck" in episode 23 and strong violence in the rest of the episodes.(68.108.96.45 17:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC))

• "Fuck" is heard only in the original Japanese dub. As for violence, they could be ripping out intenstines and wearing them around their necks in a graphic and tragicomic manner, but unless the apparent TV-MA rating includes the words "strong graphic violence" we won't cook up descriptions of our own. Given your history of posting misinformation, you can't be trusted. Search for a viable source to cite or provide proof of your own. Until then, restoring the Certification section is out of the question as far as I'm concerned. --Antrophica 08:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• http://imdb.com has just recently updated their info on Samurai Champloo so it is correct. Go to imdb. Those are the real ratings and the correct ones. imdb was updated on Monday, March 20,2006.(65.41.208.138 23:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC))

• I don't think so. The last time we went along with IMDb we had about half the information wrong. Find a more credible source, if it's possible. --Antrophica 12:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

• That's because it was vandalized and wrong. This time it was checked by a professional editor.(68.108.96.45 00:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC))

• And you know this for a fact? You probably realize I'm not just trying to be an asshole here; there's no point to be had in documenting false information. --Antrophica 06:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• I'm NOT TRYING to document false information! And yes I know this as a fact.(68.108.96.45 04:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC))

• Wikipedia doesn't allow original research. That's why I've been telling you we need hard proof. A screenshot or a link. Otherwise, no dice. --Antrophica 05:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Mugen

Mugen, has a capoeira-esque fighting style that resembles the breakdancing of the 1980s.

• by 'you', I mean to the person who made this entry.

I am not sure whether or not it was originally intended for Mugen's style of fighting to resemble that of capoeira, but after watching samurai champloo, it does not seem so. I am assuming that you have come to this conclusion because of a predisposition to generalize characters that show a striking resemblance to Brazilians and the fact that Mugen, unlike any other character in samurai champloo uses his legs to attack/defend. I hope you have read the entry on capoeira and have seen an actual demonstration of it. Just because he uses his legs and feet to fight and has brown skin does not mean he automatically is displaying capoeira or a "capoeira-esque" fighting style, karate and tae kwon do (which bears more resemblance due to the use of hands) can be easily substituted and is more appropriate. Capoeira is more of a dance than a fighting style, does not use hands, and has a rhythmic footwork pattern. Mugen on the other hand indeed uses his legs to stick it up to opponents' buttocks, uses his hands, and is extremely erratic. Perhaps 'combat breakdancing' is a more faithful description of Mugen's style. --Boy Tusok 09:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• I've seen capoeira and breakdancing and they have a lot in common. In fact, if a breakdancer were to have thought about using his body as a weapon he would have invented capoeira, if the latter had not been invented first. A web search will show that it is widely agreed that Mugen's fighting style was inspired by/based on capoeira; although, admittedly, as far as I know, the producers have yet to confirm it. Nonetheless, unless the Wikipedia article on capoeira is grossly misinformed, then I think this argument ought to end here. Whatever the case, "capoeira" is head-and-shoulders better than describing Mugen's Champuru Kendo as "street brawling". I think what sort of bare-handed fighting technique Jin displays in Episode 11 ("Gamblers and Gallantry) would make a much better debate. Additionally, I have absolutely no idea what a Brazilian is. --Antrophica 14:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest "Mugen's fighting style shows similarities to both capoeira and breakdancing." --Tachikoma 22:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

That's a good suggestion. Go ahead and edit it in. --Antrophica 03:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to be a touch more exact on some of the parts for Mugen’s character. He’s such an interesting character that even though he is almost purely made up out of the minds of the creators, he still has a few bits of actual historical pertinence to him.

The part I’m addressing now is the interesting way in which he comes back to life by meeting the “Shamans” as referred to in his character profile. In the Okinawan belief system, these shamans are called “futuki” and they are the only spirits from the other world who intercede into human affairs.

These beings are generally thought to be an individual's own direct ancestors (both male and female), and the same individual's future descendants (which makes it kind of interesting that Mugen has a center place in the ongoing line of them; maybe there is something to the theory that Spike is his descendant...). Anyway, the futuki are generally masked and wear feathered cloaks, and are indistinguishable from each other, at least in this world. During one of the many interesting flashback montage’s, we see not only the long line of them, but one watching Mugen from the road through the forest, and a couple of other spots, which suggests to me that he's someone they're keeping an eye on. It would make sense by traditional Okinawan beliefs but it is pure speculation on my part.

The feathered apparel particularly have always made me wonder about that tropical looking red bird that seems to observe Mugen so closely in that grove; maybe another spirit observer? And it might also be interesting to note that the underworld where he deals with the futuki, Nirai-kanai, is represented in Okinawan folklore as an island you can only reach by swimming underwater; if you try to sail there it'll always be on the horizon no matter how far you go. I think that's why everything there appears upside down, you have to "sink to rise" there, so to speak; and Mugen "falls back to the surface" when he leaves that place.

I know this is an encyclopedia but a lot of that info couldn’t be found here, so I just wanted to put it here to get some feedback on what other people think. -- Makaio 04:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I've been interested in the "Okinawan Underworld" for a while now and couldn't find it documented on WP either. I would create an article about it, but the research would be too time-consuming for me at present. Go on ahead and elaborate on it once the List of Samurai Champloo characters article is reopened. You ought to consider creating an article on the "Okinawan Underworld" as well, if you can find the time. --14:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it's worth mentioning in the article, but Spike Spiegel in the Cowboy Bebop movie also seems to be killed and then come back to life thanks to the intercession of a shaman (in this case, someone who looks like a Native American). I don't know if the director of Bebop and Champloo is trying to say something by that, or if he merely likes the idea. --Tachikoma 20:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking, but I didn't want to be too quick with the decision to add it on. After all, they closed that article up over a single incomplete sentence. As for creating an article on the Okinawan afterlife, I'd like to do it but it took a long time just to find out who the "futuki" were, much less find a reliable source as to what the Okinawan belief system on death is. I know it's worth mentioning though, so i'm sure it'll get done gradually. -- 21:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I found an article on the general subject. Ryukyuan religion. Of course it doesn't have some of the things I've found, but we're editors after all... -- Makaio 23:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to talk about mugen's sword rather then his fighting style. I belive it resembels a shamshir (as suggested on mugen's character page), personaly i would like to know all your thoughts on what you think his sword is. In the samurai champloo vid. it's called a typhoon swell (as you all probably already know) but I want to know what you guys think it is as related to an actuall sword. And if it can't be related to anything else besides a shamshir then shouldn't it just be considerd one? As apposed to being an unknown sword.-- 1:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The blade resembles that of a shamshir, but the grip resembles a sai's. --Antrophica 12:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm just ganna call it a shamshir, untill i get reasenable proof that it's anything else. -- 20:29 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Mugen's blade (Typhoon Swell) is likely a combination of more than one style of sword. It's not curved enough to be a shamshir... perhaps it's more along the lines of a sabre and a sai.Melissia 11:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: Basing my judgement off of the image on the Shamshir page.Melissia 11:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Samurai Champloo Commercial

Can someone tell me what the name of the song for the latest commerical called. the one that ends in the green screen.

Mugen

When I looked at that pic with the three characters in the wiki page, I thought Mugen was a negro, but when I watched the 2nd episode on SBS last night, I found out he was just a tanned dude. Well, I love the show, it's real good anime, and the dubbing its kind of awesome! Darkroom Danny 05:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)