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Can we please, please, please get some real pictures? Pretty please? Anyone?

Contents 1 Cuba Program 2 Pop Culture 3 Proposition for Major Revisions 4 Titsworth 5 Pics 6 Possible? 7 Sarah Lawrence in popular culture 8 Bronxville? 9 Research 10 Sources, etc. 11 Location Correction

[edit] Cuba Program

American University, in Washington DC, also has a program in Havana. Sarah Lawrence is not the only one. Check it out: http://www.auabroad.american.edu/enclave/cuba.cfm Slugokramer 01:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Culture

We should probably move the SLC in Pop Culture section to its own page.

[edit] Proposition for Major Revisions

I would like to really push this article into a better state of completion. Following are some suggestions:

• Create a separate page for the now-too-long alumni list.
• Expand the History section to be more balanced, thorough, etc. Perhaps move it to a second page as well.
• Above all, illustrate the article with photographs, etc. Again, I am an idiot when it comes to the copyright rules on Wikipedia, so any help would be appreciated. (Hilighter555 13:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC))

I think these are all good ideas. Also, I've been thinking about moving the list of Sarah Lawrence buildings to another page and replacing it on the main page with a more general discussion of the architecture on campus. As with the alumni, I think this list takes up too much space right now. --djrobgordon 16:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead with creating new article space for the alumni/faculty lists and for the campus descriptions. If there are any objections or suggestions, please do let me know. Hilighter555 11:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Titsworth

How is Titsworth "appropriately" an all-girls dorm. Is that a stupid crack about the name. I'm changing it, but let me know if you have a reason why I shouldn't. --djrobgordon 01:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

There was no reason behind it, except that it's funny. C'mon, you laughed. --Hilighter555 10:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

This article really needs pictures. Courier new 02:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I'll bring my camera with me to campus some day this week. I'm no professional photographer, but it's better than nothing. --djrobgordon 05:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I've done most of the work on expanding the information in this article, but I'm too far from the campus (I'm in Paris, actually) to take any photos myself, and I don't left from right about copyright restrictions on Wikipedia. Anything that can be done would be a huge help. --hilighter555 15:56 28 January 2006 (CET)

As of now I've taken pictures of Westlands, Bates, and the Tea Haus. I'm planning on shooting some more next week, so if there are any specific buildings, etc. that you think should be included, let me know and I'll see what I can do. --djrobgordon 23:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible?

Is it possible that you could get some pictures off of the internet? This article looks really bare. Courier new 04:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not necessary to ask more than once in two days. --djrobgordon 05:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sarah Lawrence in popular culture

Most of this section of the article is made up of incomplete sentences. J. Van Meter 23:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

So fix it, asshole. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hilighter555 (talk • contribs).

I would, Hilighter555, but I haven't seen all the films nor read all the books that are listed in the section. Perhaps someone that is more familiar with all the citations can have a go at it. J. Van Meter 17:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bronxville?

Does anyone know why the article says (in two places) that Sarah Lawrence is at least partially in Bronxville, when that statement is false?

I recognize that Sarah Lawrence has a Bronxville mailing address, but that's not the same as actually being located there. (They could get their mail on the moon, they'd still be in Yonkers.) The strange thing is that Sarah Lawrence certainly knows where it's located -- their website suggests, more than once, that students with problems should call the Yonkers police, which is exactly what the Bronxville police would tell them if they called there instead. And yet so many people associated with the school continue to insist that it's located in Bronxville, either completely (which is false) or in part (which is just as false).

Although people who get involved in this issue seldom resort to facts, I'm going to do just that. First, take a look at the campus map from the Sarah Lawrence website, which I found at http://www.slc.edu/data/386/link/1299/SLC_CampusMapWeb.pdf. Then, take a look at the map viewer on the website of the Westchester County Geographic Information Systems (Yonkers and Bronxville are both in Westchester County) at http://giswww.westchestergov.com/westchester/emap/viewer.htm and navigate to the area under discussion. (To save time, you can look at http://www.WebFeats.com/SarahLawrence-Yonkers.gif, where I've copied the relevant area of the map.) Even a cursory comparison of the maps reveals that the entire campus is within the city limits of Yonkers (the area in gray), and that not one square inch of the campus crosses the Bronx River into Bronxville (one of the areas in white).

It's obvious to me that the article should be corrected, but I won't do that until I hear what others have to say. HMishkoff 21:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's the deal with the Bronxville/Yonkers thing. The oldest part of the SLC campus, which comprises about half of its present size, was originally the estate of one William Van Duzer Lawrence, who bequeathed said estate to SLC in 1926. That estate was located within the boundaries of Bronxville, a villlage which Lawrence was instrumental in establishing (LAwrence Park, for example, which is the neghborhood just north of SLC, was his idea, but that neighborhood has since been incorporated into Yonkers, but is now trying to secede to Bronxville b/c of its better schools). Over time, the boundaries of Bronxville shifted, but the Village of Bronxville agreed that the original estate should still be considered in Bronxville proper. The reason that the campus is simulateneously in Yonkers is because all of the property on the campus that extends beyond the original Lawrence estate, which now comprises some 40 acres, is in Yonkers. Therefore, part of the campus is located in Yonkers while the other part is in an exclave of Bronxville. Which is why SLC's *STREET ADRESS* is One Mead Way, Bronxville New York. Notice that this STREET is located in B'ville; it's not a P.O.Box (i.e., SLC ddn't just take out a POBox n Bville so as to have the more fashionable address, which is a practice many colleges are adopting these days (see Warren Wilson College, which is located in Swannanoa, NC, but receives its mail at a post office in the more fashionable Asheville, North Carolina). That street (Mead Way) runs directly through the campus and is technically Bronxville jurisdction. SLC pays the necessary property taxes to Bronxville and is partly admnistered by the same. SLC fights the necessary battles in Bronxville courts, usng Bronxville judges, etc. SLC encourages students to use the first responders and police of Yonkers because a) they're faster and larger and b) Yonkers doesn't hate SLC as much as Bronxville does. Also, SLC generally reserves Bronxville's emergency services for carting drunken freshmen girls to Lawrence Hospital, which tends to swamp their fleet. That said, the article needs no correction. Many arguments have already been fought over this issue.

Response: Do you have a source for your contention that SLC pays taxes to Bronxville and is within their jurisdiction? I'm very skeptical, but I'm always willing to learn. I could do the research myself, but I'm hoping that you could point me to a source.

Your point about their mailing address is a red herring. SLC's mail is processed by the Bronxville post office, so they have a Bronxville mailing address. It's really that simple. People living in other parts of Yonkers are served by the Scarsdale post office, and they have a Scarsdale mailing address. Some of these Yonkers residents may claim to live in Bronxville or Scarsdale, but they don't. All of these entities have geographical boundaries, none of which are in dispute (as far as I know). Your location within those boundaries is not affected by your opinion.

I'm not accusing SLC of being snobby or of employing any kind of chicanery, but the fact is that having your mail delivered by the Bronxville PO doesn't mean you're in Bronxville. The relevant section in the article could be changed to read, "The Sarah Lawrence campus is located in the Lawrence Park section of Yonkers, New York, and their mail is processed by a post office located in the village of Bronxville, New York, about a thirty-minute train ride north of Manhattan," but that would be silly.

I'm not surprised that many arguments have already been fought over this issue, but winning arguments (or outlasting opponents) doesn't make your facts correct. I've provided a map that seems to offer definitive proof that SLC is located entirely in Yonkers; you've provided information (about taxes and jurisdiction) that seems to indicate otherwise. I'm hoping that you can provide a source for your information -- and if not, I'm hoping that I have the time to track it down myself. HMishkoff 13:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Zip Code: Here's something that may help you get a better understanding of the Zip Code issue.

If you go to http://www.MelissaData.com/ you can register (for free) and then enter a zip code. If you enter 10708 you'll get a map of that zip code. All of the territory west of the Bronx River is in Yonkers. (You can't see the river on the map, but the Bronx River Parkway follows it pretty closely.) You'll notice that there's a good-sized chunk of Yonkers in that area, not just SLC. All of those people have a Bronxville mailing address. None of those people lives in Bronxville.

Remember, zip code boundaries are drawn by the federal government, and do not necessarily follow the boundaries of local geographical entities. (They often do, but they don't have to.) The fact that the federal government has chosen to deliver SLC's mail from the Bronxville PO does not change the fact that SLC is in Yonkers. HMishkoff 14:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

You're not reading the justification properly. What I said is that IF the College's address is as follows (which it is):

1 MEAD WAY BRONXVILLE, NY

THEN

the street address, which is the real geographic location of the school, is in Bronxville. The issue of which post office serves which address is moot. The point is that SLC's street address is in Bronxville, which is all the evidence you need to determine that SLC is in Bronxville. The College can't cheat and somehow change its street address to say "Bronxville" when the street in question in not in fact in Bronxville, so what more do you need? In other words, if your street address is 123 Main Street, Bumblefuck, Illinois, then you live in Bumblefuck (not Chicago, not San Francisco, not anything EXCEPT Bumblefuck). So that ends the story. I've gone to the additional extent above to provide several other reasons and explanations, and if you want evidence, you're free to do the research (since you're the one who wants the article changed). Also, why is this such a big deal to you? Do you think there's some big conspiracy to convince the world that SLC is in a city that it's not actually in? All of SLC's literature dictates that the school is in both Bronxville and Yonkers, and I'm inclined to believe that they aren't lying about that.

The Address: SLC's mailing address is certainly in Bronxville. In fact, if you look at the zip code map to which I pointed you, every home west of the Bronx River in zip code 10708 also has a Bronxville mailing address, but (as you've seen on the Westchester County map to which I pointed you) all of those people actually live in Yonkers. I could perform a similar exercise in northeast Yonkers, where many residents have a Scarsdale mailing address, but they live in Yonkers just the same. The point I'm making is that SLC's mailing address has literally nothing to do with determining in which civic entity they're physically located. I've demonstrated that with clear evidence on two maps (did you look at them?), you saying that it's not so doesn't change a thing.

And yes, you've provided reasons and explanations, but those are weak substitutes for actual evidence. (Frankly, they sound like "urban myths" to me, but I have not rejected them out of hand.) I was hoping you could point me to a source, to save me some time, since I assume you must have had some source for your conclusion. But since you've refused to do so, I will do the research myself (when I have time), as you suggest. (I enjoy doing research, this will be fun.) I'll report back on what I discover.

I haven't seen anything on SLC's website that says that they're physically located in Bronxville, but it's a robust website and I must admit that I haven't dug into it very deeply, that will be part of my research. But frankly, even if their site says that they're located in Bronxville, that wouldn't necessarily make it so. I could claim to live on the moon and to have invented peanut butter, but if I made those claims in an encyclopedia article, I suspect that someone might challenge those assertions. We're all entitled to our opinions, but we're not all entitled to our own facts.

And I can't believe that you would even ask why accuracy in an encyclopedia is "such a big deal" to me. Isn't it a big deal to you? I assumed that the truth was a big deal to everybody. HMishkoff 02:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

You have valid points, but here's where I'm comng from: The examples I've provided for you in justification of SLC's Bronxville address come from three years' experience working in SLC's administration. The sources for many of these examples are largely word-of-mouth from other college staff whom I'm certain are trustworthy. With that in mnd, it is difficult for me to produce evidence that SLC pays taxes to Bronxville, but I've seen with my own eyes the President's Report to the Board of Trustees in 2005 that shows these figures. This is an internal document though, and since I am no longer an employee of the College, I can no longer produce this evidence.

When I asked you why this is such a big deal, I was not accusing your commitment to accuracy; instead, I was a bit taken aback by your unilateral insistence on overturning 75 years of SLC's association as being a part of the Village of Bronxville. SLC s an enormous community of well-educated people, all of whom seem to agree that SLC is in Bronxville, both technically and traditionally.

Here is at least one instance wherein SLC's own literature makes reference to a Bville locale: [1]. Here is another: [2].

Nether of us is able to produce, or has yet produced, definitive evidence either to prove ourselves correct or to prove the other wrong, so we should find a middle ground. I would suggest using SLC's own language ("bordering the communities of Bronxville and Yonkers"). I find that this language can be a reasonable compromise between your position and mine so that we might end this dispute with an agreeable result.

Compromise? I noticed SLC's curious wording when I looked through their website last night. (When I used to work as a writer, we would call it "weasel-wording" -- a statement that appears to address the issue but actually cleverly avoids it.) If SLC is physically located in Yonkers, then saying that it borders on Yonkers is inaccurate. And I don't see the point in posting inaccurate information in an encyclopedia just to avoid an argument.

SLC is either an independent geopolitical unit (which it's not), or it's physically located in one or more geopolitical units. You say that SLC has some kind of arrangement that actually results in their paying taxes to (and being somewhat under the jurisdiction of) Bronxville, and I plan to do some research to find out if that's the case. If it turns out not to be the case, then why should Wikipedia continue to promote inaccurate information?

BTW, I'm not questioning your integrity, and I'm not suggesting that anyone at SLC who told you that the school was in Bronxville was lying. I simply suspect that you're mistaken, and I suspect the same of the people who gave you what I suspect is inaccurate information.

I suspect (hmmm... I'm using that word a lot... very suspicious...) that I haven't done a very good job of explaining the mailing-address issue. You might understand it better if you went to Google and searched for either:

• yonkers "bronxville mailing address"
• yonkers "scarsdale mailing address"

(Scarsdale isn't directly related to what we're discussing, but the issue is the same.)

I found this article to be especially informative:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE4DF1130F933A05755C0A967958260&sec=&pagewanted=print

It's a 15-year-old NYT article that explores a controversy that erupted when a Yonkers official wanted the USPS to change the Bronxville and Scarsdale mailing addresses of Yonkers residents who lived in those areas that, like SLC, were served by those post offices. As you'll see, the residents in those areas were very concerned, in that changing their mailing addresses would actually affect the values of their properties! This is pretty astounding to me, but it's true: Even if your house is physically located in Yonkers, the fact that you have a Bronxville or Scarsdale mailing address increases the value of your property. In the case of SLC, I don't think that their reluctance to admit that they're in Yonkers stems from a desire to inflate the value of the property, but I do believe that having to admit that they're located in Yonkers would be a blow to their prestige.

You say that I haven't produced any proof that SLC is in Yonkers, but that's not the case. I've produced (1) a governmental map that clearly shows that SLC is in Yonkers, (2) a zip code map that explains why SLC has a Bronxville mailing address, and now (3) an article (and a method you could use to find dozens of additional articles) that explains the mailing-address issue in copious detail. You, on the other hand, have provided anecdotal evidence and some information about something you saw that indicated that SLC paid taxes to Bronxville. (Oddly, the links you provided do not say that SLC is in Bronxville.) That sounded a little harsh, I'm not dismissing your testimony out of hand, I do plan to follow up on it, and I'll report back to let you know what I found out. But I get the feeling that, even if I'm able to prove conclusively that SLC is in Yonkers, you'd still oppose changing the article to reflect that fact. I hope I'm wrong about that, maybe I'm just being overly cynical. HMishkoff 18:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

Actually, the only evidence you've provided is some internet map of Yonkers/Bronxville that makes no clear distnction between Sarah Lawrence's boundaries and the boundaries of Yonkers proper, as per my prior explanation that part of the campus is in Yonkers, and part is not; and an additional 15-yr-old article about some guy's housing dispute. This is hardly sufficient to overturn the 75-year assertion by one of the most respected colleges in the country that it is located in Bronxville. I've offered the perfectly reasonable compromise of using the college's own language, which is the most trustworthy resource we have, and you've refused. I will even go a step further: we can include the school's language in the introductory paragraph, with the supplement of a section further on in the article explaining the lacation dispute. I will stand by these offers, but will allow nothing further.

If you really wish to make a difference in the accuracy and effectiveness of the article (and you've made it clear that this is your priority), you can consider spending all of this energy on any of the following:

• 1. Need for pictures
• 2. Expansion of graduate programs section
• 3. Expansion and encyclopediazation of history section
• 4. Organizing the article and its satellite articles into appropriate categories
• 5. Expansion of student life section to include things that actually describe student life
• 6. Clean-up of SLC-in-quotes section, possbly moving it to its own page or combninng it with SLC-in-pop-culture page
• 7. Expansion of sources and works cited to bolster factual bass of countless other statements in the article
• 8. Clean-up of SLC-in-pop-culture sub-article (it needs to be an actual article rather than a list of pop culture occurances).

If you wish to sidestep these priorities and instead continue this little argument so that you can sleep better at night knowing that your one-man opinion of SLC's location has made its way onto a Wikipedia article, then I suggest you first convince SLC and the global media to change their own literature (READ: what you are presenting constitutes original research). There is no way that I will accept a WIkipedia article that presents information that is contrary to virtually every other reference to the subject matter, including the subject itself.

(About three minutes of googling produced the following media and scholarly references to SLC's Bronxville locale):

• http://www.city-data.com/city/Bronxville-New-York.html
• http://www.uscollegesearch.org/bronxville-new-york-colleges.html
• http://climatechallenge.org/actionmap/?type=state&stateprov=ny
• http://www.summeroncampus.com/main/CollegePrograms.asp?CollegeName=Sarah+Lawrence+College+&LocationName=Bronxville
• http://www.libdex.com/data/10/5177.html

(And the following books, which are just a couple among thousands):

• Westchester: The American Suburb By Roger G. Panetta
• Crabgrass Frontier: The Suburbanization of the United States, by Professor Kenneth T Jackson – 1987
• Many Masks: A Life of Frank Lloyd Wright, by Brendan Gill

And something else to consider: the town of Eastchester, into which Bronxville is incorporated, claims Lawrence Park as its own[3]. Lawrence Park is located adjacent to SLC, was founded by William Van Duzer Lawrence in conjunction to the establishment of SLC, and is located entirely within the geographical boundaries of Yonkers, according to the little map[4] you produced.

I would encourage you to do a quick Google book search on SLC. For every book you find that shows SLC as being in Yonkers, I'll show you fifty that say it's in Bronxville. In other words, your original research has no place in this article.

Facts as Popularity Contests: When someone mischaracterizes the situation as much as you have, I have to assume it's because you know that I'm right. For example:

• You say I've provided "some Internet map," when you're well aware that it's an official map from the Westchster County goverment.
  • (Response: I was not questioning the accuracy of the map. I said that it is not clear in its distinction between SLC's campus and Yonkers proper, i.e., this particular map is insufficient. For example, it shows Lawrence Park as being in the boundaries of Yonkers, even though Lawrence Park is in Bronxville [5]. Your map does not make all of the necessary distinctions. Just because it is a government map does not mean it is as detailed as it can be. The government is not always perfectly clear [6].)

• You say that SLC claims that it's in Bronxville, but I've yet to see even one statement from them to that effect. I haven't seen anything to that effect on their website, even in the links to which you steered me.

• The fact that I'd like to correct a single inaccuracy that I happened to notice does not obligate me to revise the entire article.

More to the point, facts are stubborn things, and do not lend themselves to popularity contests. You don't get to vote on whether or not SLC is in Yonkers or Bronxville -- it is where it is, not where you want it to be.

I'll continue to try to find a definitive answer to the question, despite the fact that you've made it abundantly clear that you're going to resist making any changes and don't especially care whether you're right or wrong. HMishkoff 22:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Research

I've started to do a little research -- not the kind that's against Wikipedia's policy, but rather research into published sources (which is the very basis of Wikipedia).

So far, without exception, every published source I've found that discusses whether SLC is physically located in Bronxville or in Yonkers agrees that it's in Yonkers. For example, here's a letter to the editor of the NYT from someone that I'd like to think is a knowledgeable source:

---

In response to The Lure of a Bronxville Address, we want to make it clear that Sarah Lawrence College is proud to be located in Yonkers and we are excited about Mayor John D. Spencer's economic development programs. Our postal address may be Bronxville, but we feel very much a part of Yonkers. In fact, we emphasize to our prospective students that we straddle two different localities: the suburban village of Bronxville and the city of Yonkers, which is rich in its cultural and racial diversity.

MICHELE TOLELA MYERS President Sarah Lawrence College Yonkers

---

Although Ms. Myers muddies the water with her "straddling" comment (which appears to be metaphoric, rather than literal), you'll notice that she clearly states that SLC is "located in Yonkers" (that's a direct quote), and she signs the letter "Sarah Lawrence College Yonkers" (another direct quote). I have located several other NYT articles that also state definitively that SLC is physically located in Yonkers but has a Bronxville mailing address, and I imagine that further research will uncover more evidence of the obvious fact that SLC is in Yonkers.

Since I recognize that no preponderance of facts will convince you, why don't you call SLC and ask them? If you can pin them down past the silly "straddle" construction that they like to use, I'll bet they'll finally admit to you that, despite their historical and traditional ties to Bronxville (yada yada yada), the SLC campus is physically located 100% within the boundaries of the city of Yonkers. I recognize that, if you make this call, it will constitute "original research" and will not be usable as a source for the article, but maybe it will convince you that you are mistaken, and will allow us to work together to revise the article so that it both acknowledges historical SLC's ties to Bronxville and yet also acknowledges what appears to be the indisputable fact that SLC is located in Yonkers. HMishkoff 22:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

Excellent! We've finally come to an agreement. You have proven my point. C'est-à-dire, nobody is questioning that SLC is in Yonkers. We all agree that it is, and Dr. Meyers is quite right in asserting the college's presence there. The question is whether SLC is partly in Bronxville as well. And it is, which Dr. Meyersis careful to say as well (one cannot "straddle" any two places without being in both of them; I see no "metaphor" in this term and your assertion that the use of the word is metaphoric is heresay, and is insufficient evidence to counteract the several argumants that I have presented).

Secondly, YOU'RE the one who wants to change what the College, the article, and the undisputed majority of published sources in America have to say about SLC's Bville presence, so YOU make the call.

Thirdly, your silence in regards to the expansive arguments I've posted above will be taken as agreement with case. You have no case on this issue, so get one or stop wasting my time. I have offered you a generous compromise on the issue, despite the fact that you are clearly basing your assertions on murky original research, but since you refuse to negotiate, I can consider your proposal as being nothing more than idiocy and attempted vandalism.

[edit] Sources, etc.

I'm going to stop participating in this unproductive back-and-forth. (I mean that. If someone else want to have the last word, go ahead, I won't respond.) Instead, I'm going to use this as a learning opportunity. I know next to nothing about Wikipedia, other than the fact that it's a fantastic resource. And since it's also an important resource, I need to learn more about how to edit articles, as opposed to just reading them (which has largely defined my interaction with Wikipedia to this point).

For example: What do you do when you know that an article is inaccurate but you run into someone who defends the inaccuracy and refuses to let you change it? The immediate response is that I have to find sources to defend the revision. However, in this case, the sources that I have discovered are New York Times articles that I had to pay to retrieve. They're clearly valid and definitive sources, but I can't reproduce them without violating NYT's copyright -- and I can't link to them, because anyone trying to follow those links would have to pay to get access to the articles. It's a real dilemma -- and I assume it's only one of myriad problems that Wikipedia editors run into every day.

I'm not asking anyone to help me solve the problem of the pricey sources. Instead, I'm going to use this issue as motivation to learn more about how Wikipedia works. Once I feel like I know what I'm doing, the first thing I'll do is come back here and correct the blatant falsehoods in the SLC article. In terms of ascertaining how much I've learned, I figure that'll be my final exam... :)

(BTW, I have to say that one result of my research is that I've become very disappointed in SLC. As an institution of higher learning, you'd think that they'd be interested in promoting the truth. But every time they are forced to admit that they're in Yonkers, they always tack on some weasel-worded phrase that allows people who desperately want to believe that SLC is in Bronxville to continue to do so. Then they act like they're exasperated by the whole issue -- while the fact is that they're clearly and deliberately perpetuating the confusion. It's shameful behavior on the part of SLC.) HMishkoff 15:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

• I did not refuse to change the article. I offered you two very generous compromises (both of which you have very stubbornly refused, though the offers remain open).
• The sources you cite have never been produced. Your story about financial hardship does not change that.
• SLC has never claimed and does not currently claim NOT to be in Yonkers. They cite a location in both Bronxville and Yonkers. Your posting of Dr. Myers' letter is evidence of that. So make no accusations of dishonesty on that front.
• I am not in the business of propogandizing for SLC, so I don't give a damn if you're disappointed in them. I'm in the business of ensuring that this article is accurate. In fact, your "disappointment" in the College belies your bias on the issue, so I would propose that you should be barred from editing.
• You do not have to tell me that you know nothing about Wikipedia. I figured that out on my own [7].

Jesus. I don't check recent changes for a couple of weeks, and this is what I come back to? I've already had this debate on Talk:Bronxville, New York, and there's not much to be said factually that isn't already here, but I'll give it a try anyway. Sarah Lawrence College lies entirely in Yonkers, and has only two ties to Bronxville: it was, at one time, within the Bronxville village borders, and it is still served by the Bronxville post office. Mailing addresses don't indicate anything other than which post office an address is served by, and because of the number of tiny towns and villages in Westchester County, there are dozens of pockets here which are served by post offices in other municipalities.

Since I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, I took the novel aproach of double checking with the oofficial county map on the Westchester County website. If you'd like to check my work, check the Land Use box and the Universities/Colleges box. SLC will be the giant blue mass in the middle of the page. The Southeastern-most border of the property is Mead Way, and the Northeastern-most is Bronxville Rd. The Bronxville-Yonkers border is indicated by the dotted line that runs along the Bronx River Parkway (as well as the river itself). The Southeast border isn't actually relevant, since it's actually with Mount Vernon. As for the Northeast border, it's clear that all of Sarah Lawrence College is south of Bronxville Rd., and all of Bronxville Rd. is within Yonkers city limits. The only border being straddled is the metaphorical one Dr. Myers was referring to.

If any map can be seen as definitive, I'd think it would be the one published by the county. --djrobgordon 01:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

• P.S. I just noticed someone made the argument that Lawrence Park is in Bronxville. It is definitely not. I live in Lawrence Park, my landlord pays Yonkers taxes, and when I park illegally I get tickets from the Yonkers Police Department. --djrobgordon 01:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Location Correction

I've corrected the article so that it accurately reflects SLC's location in Yonkers. The language I've used is nearly an exact quotation from an official SLC document. In the interest of verifiability, I've provided a reference link to that source and to a similar statement on the official Village of Bronxville website. Since I've provided definitive references from both SLC and Bronxville that unequivocally state that SLC is in Yonkers, I'm hopeful that I've put this issue to rest. HMishkoff 21:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)