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Disambiguate: I propose that the sections referring to 'schools' that are actually higher education institutions be moved elsewhere.
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[edit] Tiny edits by a random
i like ?.Not a regular editor, but a couple of tiny things irked me, so I changed them. One was a typo, but the second adjusted content slightly. The bullying bit finishes on a very peculiar note, but before it rather implied that bullying led to suicide almost by default. I tidied up the wording, but I think the point could still be expressed better through a more detailed analysis.
[edit] A schools template
I no schools arent a pretty tough issue on Wikip at the moment but I don't think this should mean they couldn't be a little more organ. I've made a draft Template:School which borrows heavily from Template:University information. I havn't tried implementing the template anywhere yet. Comments and Suggestions please? LukeSurl 23:22, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Actually I have just tried it out on my own School.LukeSurl 00:12, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
this looks better, although its only for aust. schools. Could be edited for other countries. this is it:
| Scotch College | |
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| Sicut Patribus Sit Deus Nobis (May God be with us as He was with our forefathers) |
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| Established | 1897 |
| School type | Independent |
| Principal/ Headmaster |
Rev. Andrew Syme |
| Location | Perth, W.A, Australia |
| Campus | Swanbourne |
| Enrollment | approx. 1 100 |
| School colours | Maroon, blue and gold |
| Homepage | www.scotch.wa.edu.au |
Click edit up top to view it. Info is for my current school. Hamedog 14:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Links
- Correct - adding links is not vandalism. My bad. However, adding a link to the same site from multiple pages - http://rise.f2o.org - is considered linkspam and is against Wikipedia policy. Cheers. --PhilipO 18:46, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] History
This article is barely more then a stub. I'd like to see something on the history of the schools. --130.49.219.102 16:50, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] School students image
Image:jpg is used in many articles about schools, it would be best to find a replacement before it is deleted for lack of source and copyright. If we all look together we should find one in no time. Please post your responses at Image talk:Moanaluastudents.jpg. Thanks! Foofy 21:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I too came to the site in order to know about the history of schooling, especially its modern history. That what was unimaginable -- the forced removal of children from the family for a good portion of the daylight hours -- two centuries ago is now normative practice across the globe, begs some explanation which relates it minimally to (a) the emergence of modern nationstates, (b) "the growing middle classes" (read ´capitalism´) and (c) kinship relations. Simply speaking of the manner in which modern schools are derived from past models does not answer the question "Why?" they have taken such central import in modern societies. (Currently I am in Brazil with a Presidential election in full swing. It is amazing to see the manner in which "educação" is invoked as a cure-all, is invoked in order to project the possibility of a ´better future´. Schools, in this manner are central to the ideological machinery of the modern neo-liberal nationstate, since they mystify class inequalities. A good analysis of the history of schooling would not be blinded into a recapitulation of our own naturalizations of "education" as an end in and of itself. While learning how many planets there are (though that changed this week), or what the capital of Vietnam is, does have a "value" it is clear that this is not the "end" of schools. On the contrary public schooling is concerned to socialize children into the recognition of authority figures outside of the kingroup. In this light the history of schooling institutions needs to be understood as in an inverse relationship -- diachronically -- to the waning of the institution of kinship, and as really related to it. In other words, the nationstate gains its strength through the disintegration of the (at first, extended, now even the nuclear) family. All apologies for the polemic but I hope it helps to motivate someone to write a history of schooling which addresses the wider implications of the existence of such an institution on society. [Note the presupposition of schools. Namely that the family is not capable of socially reproducing itself.]) LF
[edit] Pro school site list
doesn't really defend the way school is, such as the two school searches or free pictures for school. shouldn't the pro-school thing be for websites defending the way school is? JakeV 15:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image:High school students.jpg
While these students are in a school building, it is misleading to have this on the page here, as many readers will come away with the impression that these students are actually "going to school" that is they are in a classroom learning the normal curriculum. This was, instead, an exceptional event not representative of what a "school" is like in general, and in an auditorium, not representative of a school classroom. This image should be omitted from this article. -- Centrx 01:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] To-do suggestion
I notice this is the collaboration of the week, and I'd like to suggest something. There are 2 things this article needs, that I see. The first is info about the history of schools, and the second is information about the controversy over schools that is present in the external links, but no where else in the article. --tjstrf 03:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Whatever happened to the content?
I was editing this article, and I realized that even with more than 500 edits, it still has almost no actual content. Could somebody with an hour or so of free time look through the history and see if there was ever any other content? I find it hard to believe that an article with this many edits could have so little information...Ahudson 18:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I had a very quick look, which would suggest that a lot of the information previously contained in this article was tangential to the subject. Its history is composed of about 90% vandalism and reverts. Here are some examples of what it looked like previously:
- Much of that material, I suspect, is now covered in education, which is the redirect of "education system".
- It also appears that the photo is periodically replaced by editors with a different one from their own country. What I mean to say is, editors have been bringing biased content from their own realm to the article. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Locus vs. organisation
Do people feel that if the focus of this article is to be the physical place of learning, that schools that span several cities (as many schools aka universities now do) should still be included in the scope of this article? It also seems to me that in the university setting, the term "school" is as flexible as "college" (which can mean a high school, hall of residence, or faculty), and carries no more meaning than any other buzzword.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=School&diff=57563497&oldid=57463750
Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- It was an attempt by me to start some editing on this COTW -- to give us more of an initial focus rather than just a forum for edit wars over the concept of organized schooling vs. homeschooling. It seems to be working for now, but I have nothing against broadening the article to be more complete. - Davodd 23:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV and Islamic schools
History of education contains reference to many schooling systems that pre-date the Islamic system described here as the only example of an early school. It's unclear what that content means by "in the modern sense" and the language is too enthusiastic to really be considered neutral. (Though the information it presents is certainly quite interesting.) -- Beland 23:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. Remember, The Arabs who spread Islam conquered the most civilised regions and therefore had Greek, Bablyonian ad Roman knowlegde, even with Alexandria's library burnt down. And it's definetly not neutral. Tourskin 23:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Got the info to prove Islam was not the first culture to have a school. Referencing from Traditions and Encounters by Jerry H Bentley and Herb F Ziegler, volume 1, "...at least primary shcool education...this school functioned almost continuosly from its founding 425 C.E. until the end of the Byzantine empire one thousand..." Islam arrived at 630's CE.Tourskin 22:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Suggestion for Hidden Curriculum
In the interests of neutrality (and critical inquiry), I recommend that a "See Also" link be added to the Hidden curriculum page.
I also feel like it might merit a small excerpted section, but that can come later. Is this ok? Carsonc 20:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This should be mentioned
It should be mentioned that there has been a) biased teaching methods and b) whether or not the public school system is the correct way to do it. It has been argued that being forced to attend school is very difficult for creative people.
[edit] Islamic schools
I'm afriad that even western society beat Islamic culture to the formation of schools - according to Wikipedia's article on Madrasah's, the first Madrasah was founded sometime in the mid 9th century AD. Sure enough, there was some type of schooling in the Roman empire at the time, centred in Constantinople.Tourskin 06:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures
Perhaps a picture of from an elite western university should be added to add to the variety, image-wise?
