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[edit] Planned Revisions
- You could take the Bill Bavasi root, and just dump the stars without replacing them with anyone any good... But its mad that this article does not mention Alvin Davis -- GWO
Note: I made the original statement in the "Planned Revisions" section when I first started with Wikipedia. I've since modified it to better follow wiki conventions. -- Jwinters | Talk 19:18, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I still think it's a shame the franchise history does not mention much before 1995. I'll have to work on something... -- Jwinters | Talk 18:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] March 25, 2005 Revision
I just did an expansion of the "1970s and 1980s" and "1990s" sections. I removed the last paragraph about the change of ownership because it was mostly inconsequential. I might add it back later, but I think if I did that for an inconsequential change, I should add all changes. -- Jwinters | Talk 15:37, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ownership history
I'm thinking that there should be a seperate section on the page about the history of club ownership. I know the team has changed hands several times, and that there was a national controversy when the current owner offered to buy the team, but I don't know enough about the early years of ownership to start this section. I think this section should mention things like Smulyan trying to move the team to tampa bay. They had maintenence crew at Tropicana field setting things up for the next season to start... this was early-90's. --Measure 06:13, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
Seconding this. I know it's owned by Nintendo of America, but I'd like to know the history behind it. 75.21.76.108 06:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Padres-Mariners "rivalry"?
Copying over some relevant talk from Gateman1997's talk page. --Measure 19:31, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
That one Ann Nonymous character has been inventing rivalries for all the teams. The only rivalry I can think of between San Diego and Seattle is that they are in the same time zone. Wahkeenah 18:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey... actually the Mariners/Padres rivalry is a 'manufactured' rivalry. Because there are some true interleague natural rivalries, such as cubs/whitesox, and MLB wants them to play each other every year, all the teams were assigned a yearly interleague opponent. Mariners and Padres were one of the assignments. So it's not a true rivalry, but it is referred to as a rivalry by MLB. Measure 18:20, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that makes it a rivalry however. If no fans, and no players feel it's a rivalry MLB can claim it is all they want... but calling the sky green doesn't make it so. Gateman1997 18:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with that sentiment... the rivalry is so fierce that the two teams share spring training facilities, leading to dozens of handshakes and for all I know, lunches together. Better hire some more security... Measure 19:02, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
Dogs and cats sleeping together! Mass hysteria!
The lightbulb finally comes on here in the northwoods. Measure's explanation points the way to a solution. We need to distinguish between "Historical" or "Traditional" rivalries (i.e the ones mostly generated by fan interest, such as Giants-Dodgers, Yankees-Red Sox, Cubs-Cardinals, Cubs-White Sox, etc.) and "Recent" or "Manufactured" rivalries. Having said that, it's worth pointing out that all rivalries are to some extent "manufactured" by the folks who run the sports, through franchise location and scheduling. Bill Veeck once fomented a rivalry in the American Association between his Milwaukee team and the St. Paul club, by going on the radio in Minneapolis and purposely bad-mouthing St. Paul as a city, figuring that the irate St. Paul fans would show up at Lexington Park to vent their wrath. He actually did that as a favor to the struggling St. Paul club owner... and it worked. But as Dick Clark said during the "Payola" investigations of the late 1950s, no amount of hype can turn a dud into a hit. It sounds like Seattle-San Diego falls into that category. Wahkeenah 19:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Current Roster
Why can't I edit the current roster? it just has the heading, then the subheading when I try to edit it.
- It is a template formed from another page. You can find it at Seattle Mariners roster. --WAvegetarian (talk) (email) (contribs) 07:09, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] History
Mariners made tech history with their '95 ALCS win: it was first to be broadcast live on the Internet... Trekphiler 19:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
- That was an ALDS win, the mariners have never won an ALCS, just to clarify.Crd721
[edit] Someone should make a seperate page about the 2001 season
There is a breakdown of baseball by each year. However there is nothing about the 2001 season for seattle. Just a suggestion.
- Espically August 5th, 2001. --Bopher1 08:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Roster
Added Eric O'Flaherty to active roster. According to some sources Eric was going to head back to tacoma when he was called back on 8/15/06 [1]. Eric is now offically on the list [2] and pitched his first game 8/16/06. Also removed Greg Dobbs [3]
[edit] Major revision
I've made a fairly major revision to the article. I went through the whole thing and changed instances of awkward wording, added wikilinks, fixed punctuation and grammar, etc. I also recategorized the "history" section - the old breakdown seemed unnecessarilly complex, now all the headers correspond to years or groups of years, and there are no sub-sections. If everyone prefers the old way, then feel free of course to change it back, but I think this is an improvement. I also made the "season records" section into a table, rather than the disorganized list it was, and made some additions, particularly to the 1995 section. -Elmer Clark 05:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disputed Neutrality
I have tagged this article in order to dispute its neutrality. I myself am as big a Mariners fan as anyone else, but it's inappropriate to refer in an encyclopedia article to a "moment of sweet irony" (describing Langston's performance in the 1995 one-game playoff) or to a playoff run "unfortunately" ending (which I've not yet removed, since much of the article seems to be POV). See Wikipedia policy on neutral point of view. Job L 21:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- You definitely make a valid point. I'll comb through it either tonight or in the next couple days to try to weed out such instances. Good catch. -Elmer Clark 02:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- I think this edit has addressed the POV concerns in the article. Would you be ok with the tag being removed now? -Elmer Clark 22:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I concur that the article now adheres to NPOV. Thanks for your edits. However, although you've taken care of the POV issue, there are a number of reported facts that need to be cited (e.g., rumors about Piniella's request to leave the team, etc.) and which I've just recently tagged as such. Job L 03:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Freddy Garcia an Aging and Declining Player?
In the "rebuilding" section, Garcia is mentioned in the same breath as John Olerud. However, Garcia's skills were in no way declining at the time—in fact, if memory serves me correctly, he was the most productive starter in the Seattle rotation at that time. The reason he was traded was rather that he was approaching the end of his contract and was believed by the front office to be unsignable after the season's end. Olerud, on the other hand, was released precisely on account of his underperformance, as was Bret Boone. Job L 03:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed, that isn't made clear, you can feel free to revise it accordingly. I might try and find some sources for the claims you tagged over the next couple days. -Elmer Clark 06:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, I found sources for all the places you indicated that citations were needed. Incidentally, doing os led me to discover that a lot of the section about the Kingdome tiles falling was lifted word-for-word from here. Never would have caught that if not for your ridiculous demand for citations :) Seriously though, I'm thankful that you brought this and the NPOV concern up. I think the article is considerably stronger now that they're dealt with. -Elmer Clark 07:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I concur, the article does look much better now. Thanks for taking the time actually to look up the various citations needed—this reads much more like an encyclopedia article than some sort of memoir created by an M's fan (although I get the sense that we're both that, too). Job L 00:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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