User talk:SebastianHelm

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[edit] Thank you for your help on WP:UW

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I award you this barnstar for your help and input on WP:UW. Keep up the good work! -- lucasbfr talk 12:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I replied on User talk:Lucasbfr#Thank you for the barnstar. Somehow it feels inappropriate to not go back to the person who awarded it, even though I prefer to keep conversations together. — Sebastian 22:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assistance

Hi there, I followed there but to no avail. I need protection against mkil user, also ready my page, may be you can do something. User_talk: BoxingWear

I have no idea what you're talking about, and I don't think I've ever been introduced to you. — Sebastian 22:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC/Yugayuga

This is about a case that has been deletion. I have mixed feelings about the deletion: On one hand, I'm sorry because I would preferred if my statement, especially the one about the desired outcome would have remained. On the other hand, I am confident that both parties learned from it. — Sebastian 20:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:RfC/Yugayuga

Hi Sebastian, I have no argument with what you wrote on this RfC, but should perhaps point out that I was using a standard template to explain the situation re:stub type creation on Yugayuga's talk page. Any excessive wordiness was not of my initial creation. Also, with regards to dedicating some time to improve your understanding of other people, especially of those who may react emotionally, my previous work as a teacher and counsellor did equip me to some extent for that role. If I over-reacted at all, it is because as far as I am concerned, racism is one of the ugliest blights on the human race - one which I have frequently had to deal with in others in the past. Yugayuga would have done me far less injury had he cut off my legs. Grutness...wha? 23:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

template: Oh, interesting! Since I happen to know how these templates are created and just raised a similar issue I'm wondering if the template could be rewritten?

racism: I fully understand how bad you must feel! The race card is a powerful weapon especially against people who hate racism!

understanding other people: This is not the first time that I noticed something where I wished you understood others better. But since other people are involved, I don't want to bring it up publicly. — Sebastian 23:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

You misunderstand me (my fault). I wasn't meaning {{template}}, I was using it in the sense of a standard wording which I and other stub-sorters use to notify people who create stub types out of process. I can't remember who I got the wording from, but I modified it to tone it down a bit since it sounded overly officious - this was about a year ago. Since then I've used it possibly 100-150 times, and the usual response is along the lines of "oh, sorry - thanks for pointing the process out". This isn't the first time anyone has reacted adversely to it - there have been two or three times when WP:WSS has been accused of being an unneccesary bureaucracy. But no-one has ever assumed that I was making a personal opinion on a stub type - far less expressing a racist opinion on an entire people.

It isn't possible to create an {{template}} to deal with these things, since the exact circumstances of the different created stub types varies so much - too much to even make a parametereised template worthwhile. The first paragraph of it is, however, rarely changed; it is the details in the second paragraph which vary from case to case. For some other examples of its use, see these: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]...

As for the racism thing, it's a bit of a bugbear of mine, and one of the things most likely to cause me to blow my tiop. I may have over-reacted to Yugayuga's comments, but it was not the sort of comment I would have expected any wikipedian to have made in good faith, and I was somewhat shocked to have my apology for his misunderstanding of what I wrote regarded as an admission of racism. Grutness...wha? 08:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• not template: I see - that makes sense!
• the usual response: How many times out of the 150 did you write such a long list? How many times did it contain a statement that can arguably be seen as racist? How many times did it concern a region that is experiencing a civil war? This is an unusual situation; expect an unusually emotional response. That's what I meant by "learn understand emotional responses". You said you've been a teacher, but were you a teacher in a similar environment as the one Yugayuga is experiencing?
• overreacting: I'm not saying you were overreacting. The racism accusation really hurts, and I can understand that you wanted to clear that the official way. That's what it's there for. What I meant was that you were overacting in the first place. I think if you had only provided the 60 articles rule it would have been easier to convince Yugayuga.
• examples of use: I looked at the first reference User talk:Uhanu. Allow me to use this as an example. It could have gone bad, too. It is not as nice as I would hope we treat our newbies. This user hasn't even been welcomed yet! If that is an insecure person, then he/she reads may read it like this (with emotional interpretations in square brackets) "Hi - it has come to our notice that you have [done something bad]. As it clearly states [OMG, the last time somebody said that was my teacher, when I didn't follow the rules. He says I'm so dumb that I don't even understand something that's stated clearly!] at [unintelligible acronym]...". Don't get me wrong, I know you mean well, and not everybody would read it that way, but it is possible. A newbie doesn't have to be ill-willing to react that way.

Please don't get me wrong (a.k.a. take it emotionally ;-) I appreciate that you're asking me, and I'm honestly trying to help, not scold you. Usually, I would write something like this by e-mail, because it is just better not to wash someone's dirty laundry in public. But since you prefer it here, I'm fine with that. I'm tired since it's 1:30 am here, I hope I didn't create more misunderstandings. — Sebastian 09:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Just a couple of minor points:

• "The usual response" - regions with civil wars or similar? Hmm. TRNC-stub (north Cyprus), Ossetia-stub, Chechnya-stub, NagornoKarabakh-stub and Kashmir-stub are a few examples I can think of where similar wording has been used, with no problem. As to "have I been a teacher in a similar circumstance - not exactly, but I did teach a class with both Iranian and Iraqi students during parts of the 1990s, so I have some idea. As to the length of the list, I'd say about half the time the list would have beenas long as in this case, and it was frequently longer.
• "One thing that we've discovered in the past at WP:WSS that if there's only one reason given the creator of the template will try to show why their template should be an exception. The more reasons that are given, the les likely it is they will complain if the stub type is deleted.
• User:Uhanu isn't a newbie, but has been a Wikipedian since August 2006, and is an editor on ten different language wikipedias. (S)he blanks his/her user talk page. I checked before adding the notice that (s)he had enough knowledge of Wikipedia to be able to understand why I wrote what I did.

I understand you are trying to help - in fact I am impressed in your work here (if it wasn't for your long gaps of several montsh between bursts of editing, I'm sure you'd be an admin). I too am tired, BTW - I'm only a couple of hours behind you (well, 22 hours ahead :) Grutness...wha? 10:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your nice and interesting reply. I can imagine your mixed class must have given you some colorful experiences! Thank you also for the compliment.

• admin: There have been some cases when I wished I had admin privileges - above all when I'm working on templates, because the most interesting ones are protected. But you're right, my gaps are a big handicap, especially since I can't promise any continuous commitment in the future. I have another handicap: I contribute more to Wikipedia and User space than to the article space, which seems to be a reason for many voters to object candidates. I would prefer if the main criterium for admin privileges were the trust in a candidate to use them wisely, but who am I to argue with the majority!
• length of the list: Good point - I didn't think of that! By how much would you estimate the likelihood to decrease? I guess it's a trade off:

• Uhanu: I agree. I wasn't aware you were checking people's knowledge before writing such messages. That must take quite some time, too!
• I have a more general question about stub categories: I remember you and I had a discussion some three years ago about combining stub categories. I think that wasn't possible for technical reasons. But I think since then there was some movement on that front. I would love to be able to combine categories; in my case that would be category:NPOV disputes and areas that I'm interested in. Do you know what the current status is? — Sebastian 23:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi again... you've got a better memory than I have! I think it's still not possible to combine categories, but there may have been some improvement to the way category redirects work. I must admit I honestly don't know just how far any improvements have got though. You're right about the trade-off but - as I said - the number of adverse reactions is very small: a handful of grumbles about over-bureaucratising WP has been the worst up until Yugayuga's response, and quite a number of users actually thank me for explaining things clearly (I suppose it could be sarcastic thanks, but I don't think so). As for Uhanu's case, the talk page was blank but it was a blue-link, which made me suspicious that (s)he wasn't a new user, so I checked. It's pretty unusual for a new user to start making templates and categories without some experience of WP anyway. Grutness...wha? 23:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• memory: Well, I knew precious little about stubs back then, so there's not much I could have said that you would still remember, while I learned a lot from you!
• small number of adverse reactions: But when they happen, they get pretty big, don't they? Seriously, do you think such a big reaction would have been as likely if you had limited your message to less emotionally charged reasons? (I would also consider leaving out "As it clearly states", and spelling out "WP:STUB", at least for newbies like Yugayuga.) — Sebastian 02:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. I'l try to remember to do that in future! Grutness...wha? 23:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool! Well then, happy stubbing! — Sebastian 23:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Sebastian! Thank you for your involvement and support at the RfC. It was an unfortunate mess up between me and Grutness. Thanks again. Yugayuga 13:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HeeeeeeeeeeY

Thank you. You have done a great job by fixing the the smiley template. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{Walkie-talkie} 03:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Actually, I use your page myself for reference! — Sebastian 03:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah!!! Is that so , I saw you have invite two IP users to the project. So I change the {{Welcome-lk}} to the WPSLR format and designed a welcome template for the WP:SLR. Feel free to edit my sandbox, then it will help us to create an unique welcome template for our project. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{Walkie-talkie} 04:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't aware there was already a Sri Lanka welcome template. How about if we added SLR to that? — Sebastian 04:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I mean, the blue color looks nice, and we can certainly use it for our project, but I don't think somebody who isn't a member would want to use it. — Sebastian 04:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I continued the template specific talk on User talk:Lahiru k/Sandbox2. — Sebastian 05:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok then we'll continue our discussion on there. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{Walkie-talkie} 16:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Fragen betr. Deiner Nachricht

Hallo Sebastian, die Nachricht zum Bild Image:Cascadia.jpg auf den Commons ist mittels eines scripts eingefügt worden. Den redirect auf deiner Diskussionsseite habe ich dabei wohl übersehen, sorry. Das Bild habe ich jetzt gelöscht. --GeorgHH 21:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Danke. Und was ist mit meinen beiden Bitten? Was den irreführenden Text betrifft, so kann ich damit leben. Aber kannst Du bitte in Zukunft den Bot kontrollieren, damit so etwas nicht wieder passiert? — Sebastian 22:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Es handelt sich nicht um einen bot, sondern um [12]. Klar war es mein Fehler, den Eintag nicht zu überprüfen, werde in Zukunft ein Auge darauf haben. --GeorgHH 21:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Vielen Dank für die freundliche und hilfreiche Antwort! Dem Code entnehme ich, dass die Nachricht selber von commons:Template:Image source kommt. Ich werde mal darüber nachdenken, ob sich der Text tatsächlich verbessern lässt und es gegebenfalls dort vorschlagen. — Sebastian 00:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MatheWiki

Hallo Sebastian Helm, vieleicht sind Sie bereit mir aus meiner Verzweifelten Situation zu helfen. Ich heiße Ingo Roseneck, bin Mathe-Lehrer und will an meiner Schule ein MatheWiki einrichten. Ich habe mir alles besorgt was ich so brauche: WinXP TypO3 MediaWiki OCaml ImageMagick Ghostscript MikTeX Nun wollte ich texvc compilieren und bekomme lediglich irgendwelche -Unbound value Lexer.token- Exceptions. Ich komme da nicht weiter. Dann habe ich von einer Manipulation der localSettings.php erfahren, ändert aber auch nichts - sucht trotzdem texvc.exe! Readme, google, foren haben mir bis dato nicht geholfen und dann habe ich Sie im Forum gefunden. Wenn Sie mir weiterhelfen könnten, wäre ich Ihnen wirklich dankbar; denn mir läuft so langsam die Zeit davon und bald kann ich meine Bemühungen begraben. Sonst kennen Sie vieleicht einen, der mir eine step-by-step-Anleitung zukommen lassen kann. Meine email wäre: iroseneck@web.de Ich bedanke mich einfach mal vorab und sende Grüße, Ingo Roseneck

Für die Technik, die hinter Wikipedia steht, bin ich leider nicht der richtige Ansprechpartner. Vielleicht hilft hierzu die FAQ. Aber es geht auch einfacher. Sie können einfach ein Wiki von einer vorbereiteten WikiFarm übernehmen. Siehe die Liste auf Comparison of wiki farms. Ich habe vor einiger Zeit zwei dieser Farmen für ähnliche Projekte ausprobiert und war recht zufrieden damit. Beide sind aber nicht mehr auf der Liste; sie war damals wesentlich länger. — Sebastian 23:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nina Odell

How about some recognition for her [13] Thanks RaveenS

[edit] tltt time again!

Hello again, Sebastian.

It looks as though the kerfluffle surrounding the test template revamp is mostly over, so I've started adding in the tltt codes again. I was hoping you would be willing to help out with that again? So far, I've only covered the "Usual Warnings" box near the top of that page, mainly to test the template out in the new article and make sure it would be acceptable with everyone working on it. There is one difference with how we were arranging the codes before - to avoid changing the appearance of how things currently are, I had to add <tt></tt> tags on either side of the template. If you can and are willing to help out again, please let me know! There's a lot to be done, and it's probably going to take a while. Thanks! Hersfold ^(talk|work) 04:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah! You did a good job so far! I'm thinking we could first try to complete the first column. That suffices probably for 90% of all situations. About the <tt></tt>: We could add that in the template, too. I guess the new name would be "tltttt", then ;-) — Sebastian 04:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Good call, that - it'll probably make things much easier. A column at a time should work fine, and that will make it easier to work with the tip as well (up to level 1, 2, etc.). I'll probably get some time tomorrow to work on things. Thanks! Hersfold ^(talk|work) 04:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

What name would you propose for the new template? Or maybe we can just overwrite "tltt" - afaik it's not used in any other important place. — Sebastian 04:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd just overwrite tltt. There's no real need to make a new template, because like you said, it's not used anywhere else. I'll let you make the edit, since it's your template. :) Hersfold ^(talk|work) 01:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you; I do feel a bit like it's my baby. But of course there's no private ownership in Wikipedia, at least not of templates. ;-) Please don't hesitate to edit that template in the future. — Sebastian 01:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll keep that in mind. :-) I'll start working on the template conversion again. Hersfold ^(talk|work) 01:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I just changed the template. Actually, I'm just thinking we could globally replace <tt>{{tl|whatever}}<tt> with {{tltt|whatever| }}. I don't want to interfere with your edits; have you already started? — Sebastian 02:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Level 1 is now complete. I've also taken out those extra <tt> tags from the first box. I can start editing the bottom portions if you'd like to get to work on level 2 and higher. It's rather odd that the tooltip works on my computer but not yours - do you use Firefox? That probably has something to do with it. Hersfold ^(talk|work) 03:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I'm very sorry, I have to bow out for now. I still haven't completed my "homework" for tomorrow. I'll be away tomorrow, but I can continue with it later this week. As for the browser, I'm using IE 6.0. Does it work in all instances for you? — Sebastian 03:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I'm signing off for the night myself. The page headers are done, although I had to make up a new template based on your design - {{tltt2}} allows you to add another parameter to demonstrate how the template would be used. As for the tooltips, when I use IE 9 (6 got lost when my computer decided to update), I get the tip when I however over either set of braces, but not the link itself. Rather odd. Not sure about other browsers. Hersfold ^(talk|work) 03:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice! Actually, it should be possible to do this with tltt, too. Only problem, as you already realized, is the order of parameters. I recently turned towards using more named parameters - that would be something like {{tltt2|unblock|par=Reason for unblock|Request to be unblocked}}. would that work for you? — Sebastian 04:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Done! It even can be used for more than one parameter now. I was thinking of adding individual tooltips for each parameter, but that would make it much more complicated. Would be nifty, though: It could display a compact version of the parameter and explain each individually. Syntax would be {{tltt2|unblock|p1=reason|tt1=Reason for unblock|p2=urgency|tt2=Urgency for unblock|Request to be unblocked}}. — Sebastian 04:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! I'll start removing the tltt2 codes - it'll work better if everything is uniform. There's no need to use both templates when just one will do. Hersfold ^(talk|work) 15:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!!

... for the timely 'Humour alert' message. Thanks to your prompt action, I have now ceased from all humourous action and apologise for all disruption. However, your alert message has now caused me to spit Red Bull all over my screen and I can no longer see my edits. Helllp! :) - Alison^✍ 18:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saint Clair High School

Saint Clair High School, is the high school for the city of St. Clair, Michigan. Known single handedly for its highly respected cross country team. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Import600 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

I have no idea why you're writing this to me. — Sebastian 18:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFC

Colonel Soosai, Sathasivam Krishnakumar, Captain Miller for RFC. Until that no tagging?SAR23 14:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

No, Stay on the original version and discuss, as we did on Notable assassinations of the Sri Lankan Civil War. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{walkie-talkie} 17:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unique Wiki Labeling on *All* Products and Ads

Newbie Greentopia here.

Just thought you might want to give me your perspective on this idea I posted in the Proposal section of Wikipedia. [14]

It's kind-of also at www.WikiPPP.org.

Any ideas on this baby?

Looked at some of your contributions, its great. I lived in Tacoma for a spell.

www.WikiPPP.org www.EarthE.org For The Life, Greentopia 07:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re; Please relax

Conversation moved to User talk:Snowolfd4#Please relax.

[edit] reply to my talk page message

Herr Sebastian, thanks for the lovely detailed message at my talk page..give me a couple of days to reply you, I am kinda busy till Tuesday.Iwazaki ^{会話。討論} 09:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DRV

[[15]] - Privacy 19:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean - DRV? — Sebastian 07:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need your input

I have finnished creating the Notable_assassinations_of_the_Sri_Lankan_Civil_War article per the concensus we reached on the other page. I need your opinion as to proceed further with the re directs to this neutral article. Thanks RaveenS 20:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Are you referring to the list Shunpiker wrote on Jan 17? Most of the links are redlinks now. Many of the blue links point to Assassinations and murders attributed to the LTTE. Are you considering replacing that article with a redirect? — Sebastian 05:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tamilnet as a source

Dear Sebastian,

Could you please take a look at the discussion on Talk:Burning of Jaffna library#Sources used in this and several other related articles. This was part of the original dispute and unfortunately it is reappearing and people are rejecting Wikipedia:WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation#Classification of sources. I think your calm input will be very helpful. Thank you for all the effort you are making here. I wish we could do the same in reality in my country. -- Ponnampalam 23:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The discussion has now spread to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Edit war on article Bharathanatyam where the validity of Tamilnation as a source is being discussed. I find it slightly saddening that Snowolfd4 and others who I thought had agreed on the old proposal are now changing their minds after Sarvagnya raised the issue again.

Also, this will be my last work on Wikipedia for many months. My doctor has ordered me very strictly to cut down on activity. But there is a lot I can do. I have bought a German course and plan to fulfil a long-standing dream of reading Heinrich Boll in the original. Since I fully intend to live to complete 100 years, I have at least 15 years to succeed!

If I don't see you on Wikipedia again, thank you again for your wonderful work. -- Ponnampalam 19:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Decline of Buddhism in India

Tigeroo seems to be little active now. Freedom skies seems to interested in closing the case[16], and plans to take a Wikibreak[17]. I guess the case might be closed now. utcursch | talk 06:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. I just asked the question on the mediation page. It seems at least we got 4 out of 10 items resolved, that's at least a partial success. — Sebastian 06:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Aight, seems the communication got lost somewhere, I kinda got distracted elsewhere after what seemed to me as a no show from the new mediator. No worries, hmm would returning to edit to the page now be ok??--Tigeroo 11:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Since the mediation is closed I have no concerns about interfering with the mediation anymore. — Sebastian 19:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minimal pair

Thanks for your improvements to the article on minimal pairs. Adding the small pictures and restructuring into a table made the the explanations much clearer. −Woodstone 06:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the nice message! That's really encouraging! — Sebastian 22:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:UW future?

Hi, Sorry for the blatant spam, but you have yourself down as active at WikiProject user warnings WP:UW. There is a discussion on going here that might be of interest to you about the future of this project. There are two strawpolls on the talk pages and the second one is about the future of the WP:UW project. Now we have the end in sight we are looking at wrapping up the project and merging it with Template messages/User talk namespace WP:UTM and creating a one stop shop for all userspace template issue. As you are or have been active on this project we feel you may have some input on this issue, and would like you to visit the discussion and give any thoughts you may have on the matter. Cheers ^Khukri 10:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I just looked at it and it's already closed. Sorry for being late! — Sebastian 07:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your response required in achieving consensus

Hi please respond here --> Talk:Assassinations_and_murders_attributed_to_the_LTTE#Consensus_to_redirect ŇëŧΜǒńğëŗ^Talk 06:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the article covering LTTE

Hi, just wanted to draw your attention to the current status of the article regarding the LTTE. I am trying to keep POV tags on it as it contains several statements that I consider poorly documented (LTTE involved in drug smuggling, forced prostitution and cooperation with Al Quaida). To make my position clear (as I also have done on the article's talk page) I am no friend of the LTTE - I consider their organisation in several ways have fascists and anti-democratic sides that I am strongly against. However I do believe that Wikipedia should be based on facts, not "talk on the town". I dont want to waste too much time over that article, but at least I will try to keep the POV tags from what I consider biased edits from sinhala chauvinists. If you could have a look and engage (or critizise me if I am wrong) I would be happy about that. Ulflarsen 05:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer if you could bring this to the attention of WT:SLR. — Sebastian 07:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sri Lanka conflict related inquiries

[edit] Nationalism

hallo Sebastian -- danke für deine Nachricht; im Interesse der Offenheit gegenüber Mitlesern antworte ich in Englisch;

I would prefer to keep the "essay" in my user space as a reflection of my own experience and opinions on the problem. But you are very welcome to take whatever part you like and start a "common" article on the nationalist problem in Wikipedia:-namespace. I confess I have not come across very much Tamil nationalism in the past. This has changed recently with the very beautiful case-study Acrajan (talk • contribs) and Devaneya Pavanar. The impact on Indian nationalism so far has been completely dominated by the Hindutva side, but maybe the Dalit-movement people will catch up now. As for Sri Lanka, as I say, it is difficult in cases of armed conflict to distinguish pure ideology and simple outrage over incidents of violence. The "pure" nationalist lives in a world completely removed from reality. Thus, I think the Sri Lanka conflict is rather closer to Israel/Palestine stuff than to the pristine abstract crackpottery of the Hindutva ideologues :) Since my own involvement in all this is motivated by an interest in the mindset of the crank rather than politics, I may have a somewhat skewed impression of what is going on overall. regards, dab (𒁳) 14:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)