User talk:Septegram

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Contents 1 Welcome 2 chat 3 salutations 4 New User 5 Jonathen Cornelius 6 Blocking vandals 7 Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart 8 Crazy bald mofo 9 Yell Group 10 Minor Edit 11 Why are you asking Ekajati & Hanuman Das to check out my talk page? 12 Why would you think something is brewing? & why inform Hanuman Das and Ekajati? 13 Heads up 14 Thanks 15 Ones own website as a reference? 16 Stress (medicine) - copyvio 17 Award 18 Alarming vandalism 19 RfC on Mattisse/Timmy12 20 Unitarian Jihad 21 Thanks! 22 question on book inclusion 23 An Apology from Me 24 Deprogramming 25 Request for Arbitration 26 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood 27 Arbitration 28 Some action taken 29 Impact 30 Kenny & Tziporah 31 Extraordinary Rendition 32 Thanks 33 Wikilinks 34 Userboxes 35 Bushism explanations 36 My apologies 37 I have been told that if you place a jar of water outside, it will freeze during a tornado. Is this true? 38 happy! 38.1 RFC on Starwood Festival 39 Function 40 Enjoy! 41 Help 42 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood 43 This user supports recycling... thrice!

[edit] Welcome

Hello Septegram, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] chat

At some point, we should chat, as I think we have a lot that might make for interesting discussion. I figure I should already know you, but I'm not sure.--Vidkun 02:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, all those DO refer to me . . . but I'm still drawing a blank, based on your birth location, lived places, and age. As for his harp, it was in his hands, or flying to it when he called it.--Vidkun 16:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Now I've got you, I just didn't know the name of it in the Gaelige. I'm interested in how you pegged me out based on my wiki profile.--Vidkun 16:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Duh! Non-native mass. resident, VFW member, Mason, studying B* (my userbox used to have the word studying linked to the B* article). Just realised those are an awful lot to piece together, and still not have met me.--Vidkun 16:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I wasn't sure who could put those together that hadn't met me or was flisted by me. Which you weren't, but are now.--Vidkun 16:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] salutations

Glad to make ya laugh; I'd actually forgotten about that since I havn't updated my userpage in what feels like eons XD. Look forward to seeing you around the neopaganism section ^_^ Kuronue 17:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New User

Hey, you told me to make an account. Now what??

AndrewChristian 18:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I did?

OK, I'm working on getting you some help. Watch this space, or your user page.

Septegram 18:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, now you sent JKelly to help, which is good. Next I need to know what article you would like me to write?

AndrewChristian 17:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I have to confess, I don't recall asking you to make an account, so I'm not sure what I was thinking you should work on. Me, I just buzz around Wikipedia, looking at things that interest me and sometimes tidying things up. I have yet to create a new article, and only make modifications beyond cleaning links or grammar when it's material with which I'm pretty familiar. Your mileage may vary.

Septegram 19:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Do any of the other editors come up with article ideas yet? I'm not sure which ones I should write.

AndrewChristian 17:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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Okay, I wrote the first article, see? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zillij Now how to make it look more professional?? Difficult the writing, you know?

AndrewChristian 19:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jonathen Cornelius

Hi. No the guy is actually a cousin of mine who I email every now and again in peru he isn't happy with the article existing but beleive me his work is great. Actually the real spelling of his name on his birth ceritifcate is Jonathen a welsh spelling but his comopanies and related searches on him will probably come up with Jonathan normal spelling because people assume that is the spelling. It should be Jonathen. The reidirect Jonathan should go to Jonathen beleive me. I'll have to correct the into have a look at it after I've changed it Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking vandals

Wikipedia:Blocking policy explains the theory. I left a note at the WP:AIV page, which is where this sort of really obvious vandalism should be reported. Sometimes accounts get blocked super fast, sometimes not. I think it depends on whether any of the admins are paying attention at the time. Anyway, it looks like that particular vandal has had her/his fun for the day and has gone off to do something else. Cheers ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart. Thanks! :-) Ekajati (yakity-yak) 22:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crazy bald mofo

Hi therrrrre. I've been expecting you Mr Septrgram. Ha! As you can tell I have quite a sense of humour. Yes of course layer means lair but it is part of the Dodgy Hunagarian or whatever it is accent- the way that bald headed SPECTRE no.1 mofo who loves to hold an Angora cat speaks! I did have an incredibly large picture of [Ernst Stavro Blofeld]] myself but got removed cos of copywright. My volcano in some absurd place in Japan is the next best thing. Think of me as a breath of fresh air to wikipedia. Some other long registered users take things way too seriously. Anyway nice to meet you amigo. I have to go and inaugurate a little war. I bid you adieu. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I now have a picture of my kitty Mr Bigglesworth on my page. Love him and stroke him. Kadeeesh. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha ha yeah!! I love the bombing reference! THat last line though is not mine it belongs to Francisco Scaremanga Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yell Group

Either vandalism or bad newbie mistake. Fixed now. Jkelly 22:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Edit

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've been meaning to find out exactly what that does, but each time I remember...I'm in no position to check it. Thanks again! Chairman Meow 15:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why are you asking Ekajati & Hanuman Das to check out my talk page?

What's going on? Timmy12

[edit] Why would you think something is brewing? & why inform Hanuman Das and Ekajati?

Why them? And if you are not taking sides, and you said you are not taking sides, then why don't you inform me when things happen? I would certainly appreciate not being kept in the dark all the time. Timmy12 16:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heads up

Thanks for the link to Mattisse asking me to get an email address. Wonder why she thinks I would see it on Timmy12's page? Since I'm not particularly interested in communicating with these users other than publicly where what is said can be archived, I won't bother to do so... Ekajati (yakity-yak) 17:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the typo/spelling cleanup on the 2 Emerson pages. I was paying more attention to sourcing etc and missed those.

--Mike Searson 07:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ones own website as a reference?

Hi Septegram, you write:

OTOH, BostonMA, Hanuman Das has a point. If ^{[citation needed]} tags get applied all over the place, what else does one do but provide citations? If the only citations available are links that may appear commercial, one is between the rock and the proverbial hard place.

If a fact is notable, then there should exist references to it in independent literature, such as newspapers, magazines, etc, and fact tags should be replaced by citations to such sources per WP:V.

"Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."

--BostonMA ^talk 13:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stress (medicine) - copyvio

You were correct: Talk:Stress_(medicine)#Possible_Copyvio.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award

		The Original Barnstar
		For your hardwork and dedication to making Wikipedia a better place. I, Sharkface217, award you this Original Barnstar. Good job! :-)Sharkface217 04:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alarming vandalism

I'm unaware of any obligation on our part to treat this sort of thing differently than any other abuse of our resources. If you think that there is something here that suggests credibility that I'm missing, you should feel free to do what you think is the right thing, but it looks to me like the intent here is to vandalise Wikipedia, as opposed to anything more sinister. Jkelly 20:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC on Mattisse/Timmy12

Hello. Just letting you know that an RfC has been opened on Mattisse, here. As it provides strong circumstantial evidence that Timmy12 is a sockpuppet of Mattisse intentionally using two computers to evade checkuser, I thought you might want to comment. I don't really care what side you weigh in on, but I know you've been in a position to observe at least part of the situation and any view would be helpful. —Hanuman Das 11:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unitarian Jihad

Hi, thanks for letting me know. However, I'm afraid that I agree that this particular meme didn't "catch on", so the page probably ought to be deleted. Sorry. :) Vashti 14:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Just wanted to drop by long enough to say thanks for the barnstar. It's my first, so you've really made my day (maybe even week). It's nice to be noticed, especially when I look at the sheer volume of edits some people put out and wonder how on earth they find the time.

-FunnyMan 07:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] question on book inclusion

Hi, Septegram! I'm a cult/counterculture film enthusiast and member of film project. I had If... (film) on watch, so I noticed the addition of the cult film book, added ISBN, followed user contributions and did the same to the other entries. Then I noticed your welcome and warning to the author. I read the conflict of interest page and I am not quite clear on this point. I haven't seen the book and don't know if it's published in an important edition. From the ISBN I gather it's a new edition. From the film project point of view such books should be mentioned somewhere, maybe not in individual films but in an article on cult films (which doesn't exist yet, as far as I know). Where exactly is the inclusion limit? I mean if the author hadn't used his name to log in, we would only know that someone added a reference (which happens all the time). Is there any more precise information on this issue? Hoverfish 15:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

If the author had not put in zir name, then we wouldn't know. However, anyone who checked the user's contributions would see that there was a string of edits on one date, all of which added a single book. There have been no edits by this person before or after, which could lead to a not-unreasonable suspicion of linkspam and, in my case, did indeed lead to that conclusion. I'm trying to decide whether to delete it as spam or leave it.

Septegram 19:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

He has added the link in articles of some British cult films. There are lots of cult film articles (Category:Cult films), so it looks like he added the link to ones his book expounds on. Taken face value, the author of the book "Your Face Here: British Cult Movies Since The Sixties" offers his book as additional reference to 6 notable British cult films. Hoverfish 20:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

My points is that the author's intention appeared to be to promote the book rather than to improve Wikipedia. Despite the author's obviously considerable knowledge of the subject, there have been no other edits to Wikipedia by this account. No attempts to improve articles, no corrections of egregious errors (surely there must be some), no comments in discussions of minutiae of obscure cult films. Just a string of "and here's my book" links. I do tend to assume good faith, my credibility can only stretch so far. I'm leaning toward the "delete 'em as linkspam" side of things.

If you like, I'll contact an administrator or someone with considerably better experience in these matters than I to get an independent review.

Septegram 20:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An Apology from Me

My sincerest apologies for confusing you with a vandal. I really must have worked too much on Wikipedia today, to get so muddled up. It's past my bedtime too. Once again, I sincerely apologize for wronging you. -- Ouishoebean / ^(talk) _{(Humour =))} 16:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh ... Thanks for allowing me to delete it and forget about it. I really appreciate it :). Have a good day! -- Ouishoebean / ^(talk) _{(Humour =))} 16:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deprogramming

I note that you participated in the discussion of deprogramming and exit counselling. As a Wiccan, you might be interested in an article on my web site I wrote some years ago criticizing the hysteria against New Age movements emanating from the Christian countercult movement but also influencing some people in the secular anti-cult movement. If I was writing the article today, I would point out some of the best material warning against totalitarian cults comes from Wicca sources. There's a great check list at one of the Wiccan websites and also I have in my files a fine analysis of cultism in a book by a police office from British Columbia who is a Wicca practitioner. As to Hassan's statement that there still may be extreme cases where forcible deprogramming might be warranted, what would you do if you had a son or daughter in Rev. Jim Jones' group and found out they were all moving to the jungle in Guiana? There are (or have been in recent years) a number of extremely scary groups out there. I first heard about Colonia Dignidad (the cult torture factory in Pinochet's Chile) from a Wiccan journalist who went down there to find out about it in the early 1980s (I can't remember his name but he talked about it on WBAI and in a phone converstation with me; it was utterly horrifying). Anyway, Peace.--Dking 00:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC) P.S. The article on my web site is at http://dennisking.org/satan.htm Dking 00:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Re your reply to the above, I would probably have reacted the same way since no one could have predicted what happened in Guyana. But post Guyana, one could possibly identify situations in which a new doomsday cult might emerge (and indeed several have emerged). This is why I think Hassan is justified in leaving open the door to the use of deprogramming in extreme situations. (If a Ted Patrick type person had kidnapped and depogrammed a member of Heaven's Gate days before the mass suicide, should this deprogrammer be regarded as a life-saver or a criminal?) Of course people would inevitably misidentify such situations and use deprogramming when it is not justified by any kind of threat to a cult member's life. A parent who had an adult child in the LaRouche organization came to me in the 1980s and asked for advice. I repeated told him not to go to deprogrammers, that the situation didn't warrant it and that it probably wouldn't work anyway. He didn't listen and ended up in serious legal trouble and more estranged than ever from his son. On the other hand, I talked to a woman who was deprogrammed from the LaRouche group in the 1970s; she is grateful it happened. She has kids now, and a life, which she would not have had if she had stayed with the LaRouchians (of course, she might have become one of the approximately 50 percent who dropped out of LaRouche's group in the following decade on their own steam as a result of burn-out or factional strife). In sum, the question of what to do when a loved one joins a cult is one of those moral conundrums for which there is no absolute answer that fits all situations.--Dking 20:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Arbitration

You'll want to be aware of this Request for Arbitration opened by Paul Pigman. Don't feel left out, he didn't notify me either. Seems the mediation isn't going the way he would like it to... Ekajati (yakity-yak) 04:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Srikeit 01:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration

Well, the arbitration is obviously open. I would appreciate any advice you can give me as to how to proceed (or not proceed). Someone named User:RasputinJSvengali has already deleted the fact that the Starwood Festival is run by ACE, information which was in the Starwood Festival article when it was created over a year before I first inputted anything to Wikipedia. I have been assembling whatever "3rd party sources" I can find for articles I've created, but I'm not sure I know how to properly list them as references. Since they are not to the ACE website, I hope they will be taken as fulfilling what was asked for. I suspect, however, that nothing will satisfy these folks. Rosencomet 15:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some action taken

I have just done a round of deletions of names from the Starwood festival page and a few deletions of Starwood mentions on other pages. I also assembled some 3rd-party sources referencing Starwood appearances on the part of many of the subjects who had mentions in their articles and added them. Some include interviews by the subjects discussing these appearances. I also provided links to a couple articles that had only been referred to in the past. (I would not be suprised if I did some of these wrong, in that I may have put links in the body of the text that belonged in the "Reference" section and such, and I welcome anyone changing such errors.) I hope this demonstrates my desire to improve articles and satisfy requests for 3rd-party sources. I have not added to the Starwood Festival page, only subtracted (though I did ask someone to fix a link to a band's page), and though I have added to the Jeff Rosenbaum article it was only to beef it up to avoid its deletion. If it can pass muster, I plan not to edit it any more, and I hope to ask others to handle any direct additions to the Starwood, WinterStar and ACE articles. I may still make more deletions to them for a while. Rosencomet 21:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Impact

Impact most certainly is a verb: [1]. Rmhermen 22:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kenny & Tziporah

I wasn't aware that there was an article about Kenny & Tzipora's tradition. As I said before, if they're notable enough for that, I see no reason not to include them in the Starwood past entertainers' list. However, others may not agree; as you know, I'm under a pretty constant attack not just about links, both internal and external, but every edit I do on any page remotely associated with any OTHER thing I do, which certain people are hounding my heels about.

It is my opinion, and you can do what you think is best, that this act may not pass their judgement either because the act no longer exists or because they aren't widely enough known or, frankly, whatever excuse one of them can come up with to delete an addition to this page. If it stays, I think it should be moved so it is in alphabetical order like the rest of the list, and a redirect link should be provided from Kenny & Tzipora to Kenny Klein's article. Also, someone could add the album Kenny & Tzipora: Live & Kickin' at ACE to the discography in Kenny Klein's article. Rosencomet 16:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extraordinary Rendition

Hi! Saw your note at talk. Always feel free to contact me directly about something like that; I didn't see your post until just now. The text you say I deleted - I actually moved it to the intro and it is also referenced a second time in one of the lower sections. I think you may have missed it?Kaisershatner 19:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks your right, I was fired up at the moment I guess; he's very inflamatory, considering his tunnel vision thinking.100110100 16:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikilinks

Thanks for your edit to Modesty Blaise. Please note that you don't need to use HTML or ASCII coding when creating a wikilink. For the link to La of Opar you need only put La (Tarzan). Cheers! 23skidoo 17:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

'm not sure if 100110100's comments relate to my comment. Anyway, one link we'll have to look out for is Wold Newton Universe was renamed Wold Newton family. I made that correction to the MB article, too. 23skidoo 17:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Sure Go right ahead! I particularly like your last one, haha!100110100 17:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bushism explanations

Figured I'd let you know that there's an RFC out on the explanations in Bushism, which you awarded me a barnstar for a while back. You can follow and/or contribute to the discussion at Talk:Bushism#Explanations of Bushisms - Request for comment. --FunnyMan 03:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My apologies

I taking this to your talk page to just dump the colons. I'm sorry if I've been contentious with you on Talk:Starwood Festival. Unfortunately, despite my trying to focus solely and dispassionately on the merge issue at hand, I'm afraid some of my other concerns and issues have leaked in. This is not helpful in clearly discussing the issue. Please accept my apologies. It's possible I'm being harder on these articles than I would be on other, equivalent, Neopagan festivals and groups. But I also view the aggressive stance and editing of these articles by folks with vested and material COI as really quite unacceptable on Wikipedia. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking this way. --Pig^man_{Talk to me} 21:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, sir. I appreciate your position, and I'm sure you appreciate mine. It seems that a relatively unimportant subject (in the Grand Scheme Of Things) has gotten a lot of "sound and fury" of late, and I'm not entirely sure why.

*sigh*

With my manager out sick for at least another week and my daughter sick with strep throat and an ear infection (guess who got more sleep than Daddy last night?), I need this stress like I need a death in the family. And no, O Gods, don't even think about it!

Anyhow, I appreciate your opinion and your concerns. Right now I just don't have the energy to pursue this discussion, but it'll shake out how it shakes out. It's not like we're conducting brain surgery or flying passenger aircraft, after all... {weary grin}

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 23:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Gods! Please, just take care you and yours as needed at this juncture. I certainly don't want to add additional stress on you. As you say, much of it is sound and fury. Unfortunately, I'm sort of stuck with some of it due to the arbitration on this matter. I generally try to keep myself reined in and focussed since, as you say, in the grand scheme of things (or even things Wikipedia) this is a minor scuffle. However it's interesting that it parallels to some extent the issue of whether large corporations like Microsoft should be deliberately editing their own entries on Wikipedia to present a positive image. I don't mean MS employees in general of course but employees "authorized" by management to edit the articles.

Still, again, I'm sorry for any stress I've caused you. It's neither my intent or desire. --Pig^man_{Talk to me} 23:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I have been told that if you place a jar of water outside, it will freeze during a tornado. Is this true?

that was your question and i have my responce:

• If you can get a jar in the path of a tornado and it an survive not being thrown 30 miles in to the next city no it cant! Never! Im no Weather Channel guro but i know that is impossible.--Mr.Taka 17:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] happy!

[edit] RFC on Starwood Festival

An RFC on the mention of child care and youth programming in the Starwood Festival article has been opened[2]. If you are interested, please read the information there and the discussion that led to it immediately above it[3] on the Starwood Festival discussion page. Your input would be appreciated. Rosencomet 19:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Function

Hi - Function (mathematics) has just got the User:arcfrk treatment that you witnessed on the talk page of Hilbert space. It is possible that the existing editors will recognise the substantial improvements that this rewrite provides, but there may also be resistence, since it is a popular page with a long history. I thought you might like to know anyway. Geometry guy 22:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enjoy!

Trampton 03:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Help

Hello once again I need help editing an article! This time I tried to write http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_San_Giovanni_Evangelista but of course it needs much improvement. AndrewEditor 05:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello again, Andrew. Don't feel you need to ask for help: simply Be Bold in creating and editing pages. You'll get feedback from all over the place, don't worry.

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 14:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood

The above-named arbitration case has closed and the decision may be found at the link above. Rosencomet is cautioned to avoid aggressive editing of articles when there is a question of conflict of interest. If edit warring or other conflict arises, it may be best to limit editing to talk pages. This notice is given by a clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 17:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This user supports recycling... thrice!

Hi, I chanced upon your talk page (from Cube Zero). If you don't mind me asking, can I ask you something? When I was going through your profile, I saw you have the "supports recycling" logo thrice. It made me curious... is there any special reason for that? Regards, -- Hirak 99 20:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope. I've been scrounging userboxes and apparently picked those up on three different userpages. A hint to me that I should rework my main page, huh?

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 13:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)