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Please use edit summaries and Show Preview button more often. Welcome!! --Gurubrahma 10:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Civility and Wikipedia etiquette
Hi, a few editors have brought some of your edits to my attention as potentially inappropriate for Wikipedia. After looking at them here and here primarily, I must agree that these comments that are very inappropriate. Let me explain why.
Wikipedia has very strong policies about being civil to other contributors, and particularly in not making personal attacks on other contributors. Telling Zora "you're acting childish and i think it's because you're having heavy periods" is appallingly rude. Similarly, telling another editor that Zora "knows nothing" is also rude, and uncalled for. If I weren't sure that you are a relatively inexperienced user, and possibly unfamiliar with what is expected of Wikipedia editors, I would likely have blocked your account temporarily for these comments.
It's easy to say things that are inappropriate when you're in an editing conflict with another user. But I would urge you to think before you hit the save button. It's a good policy to simply not comment on other contributors; try to focus on commenting on article content only. Everybody gets into disagreements sooner or later here, that's the nature of this place. You don't have to necessarily agree with Zora, or other users. You may not even really like them. But you must treat everyone with civility no matter how you feel about them. If you don't, you will find yourself in trouble.
Also, I feel as if another of your comments needs a little bit of guidance. You said "I'm sure Zora can take care of other pages. In addition, it is not her interest. I dedicated myself to this page and should be the only one who should grant changes." This is a very misguided notion, but one that's fairly common among new editors. Noone owns any article on Wikipedia. Nobody, regardless of their level of involvement in an article, may "grant changes." Wikipedia has guidelines warning editors that noone owns any article, please take a look at them. And remember that every time you click the save button, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the page that says If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. So remember that nobody owns any article on Wikipedia, even if they wrote it from scratch. Wikipedia's a collaborative effort, and anyone is welcome to edit anything as long as their contributions are done in good faith.
Thanks. · Katefan0 (scribble)/poll 13:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Comment on Blnguyen's talk page
Hi. I don't think I we have ever talked. I recently read a comment you posted on Blnguyen's talk page. Wikipedia is a free encylopedia. You cannot order anyone (as suggested from your tone) out of any page, just as they cannot order you. That power is wested only to the ArbCom WP:RfAr. It is a user's right to enter any page which he deems fit and make edits based on wikipedia policies. Making lots of enemies here just wont help you. Nichalp is one of the seniormost editors at wikipedia and is also a bureaucrat (which is a post reserved for the wisest and most respected admins). When he has blocked you for some reason it means that you must have done something wrong. Please try and relax for sometime. Try to stay away from Rani's page for some time and then you can come back to edit the page. There are lot's revert wars going on there, and sooner or later some higher authority will have to come into the picture. Hope you don't feel offended about my comments. I am just worried at the way things are going on just now. (PS - even though I am a fan of Rani, I don't think I will edit that page soon. So don't worry about that :) ) - Aksi_great (talk) 06:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- I also read your apology yesterday on Zora's page. That is really a very nice way to go forward. - Aksi_great (talk) 06:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Veer-Zaara
We do not need the same bit of trivia added to every movie in which both Rani and Preity appeared. Pick one movie and add it there. It can't go on them all.
Also, you were actively trying to deceive other editors when you added that trivia, because you ALSO moved Rani up over Preity in the cast list again. You tried to hide what you did and hoped we wouldn't notice. That's not nice. Zora 22:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Awards
Anyone can give anyone an award. A lot of awards may mean that you're universally loved, or just that you have friends who like you (while everyone else hates you). Zora 23:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Breakout role
You seem to have decided that Saathiya was Rani's "breakout role". That seems to me to be personal opinion. She seems to me to have been fairly well known both before and after Saathiya. You keep making comments about songs, or roles, doing this or that to her "image" or her "career." Sometimes you cite some Bollywood journalism in support of such judgments, but we all know that so much Bollywood journalism is hype, fluff, and unreliable.
(Just the other day, I read the Rediff tribute to Naushad and realized that the biography had been copied straight from the Upperstall biography. I told them that, and the bio disappeared from the Rediff page.)
We need to stay away from those sort of judgements, especially when the movie, and the moment, are only a few years old. When you look back on something from a twenty-year distance, it's easier to say what was the moment when someone's career "turned". When you're talking about something that just happened a couple of years ago, you're much more likely to mistake a momentary blip for something momentous.
Film magazine journalism is not a good model for our cinema articles! I hope we're better than that. Zora 01:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani Mukerji
OK, Shez. I've cut a lot of the article out. It has still got the sub-headings, but i removed breakout role because i assume that Ghulam and Kuch Kuch Hota Hai were her breakout role. I would say Saathiya was a turning point in her career rather then a breakout role. Also i removed the Filmfare Power List fact because that is more journalistic info also it is already mentioned in the article you created about the Top Ten Actresses. Tell me what you think and HOPEFULLY you and Zora will be ok with it. Pa7 13:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've also removed one website. If fans want websites they can go to google and search for them. It was a un-official website, i have kept the other website though. Pa7 17:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani Mukerji in Snegithiye ???
Rani dit not act in the movie Snegithiye (2000) that was Sharbani Mukherji (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1166510/). I have removed Snegithiye from the movie list. (but somebody keeps putting it back... is that you?) Martin - www.Mukerji.info - 17 may 2006 20:39 (UTC)
[edit] Elaboration not a virtue
The introduction of an arbitrary break in the middle of Rani's career to make the article "more elaborate" is nonsensical. The career section is short enough not to need breaking up into sections.
That break doesn't make Rani any more important! Zora 00:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Barnstar
Wow, Shez, thank you very much for the Barnstar! Don't know what to say, so thanks again. Best regards, --Plumcouch 10:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Shez, thanks for the barnstar. That was very nice of you. Thanks again. Pa7 12:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani Mukerji // Chalte Chalte // fansites
Hello, Shez, as for Chalte Chalte: I'll try to add something and pray it will not be removed. As for a fansite: Do you have a particular one in mind? And what new news are there I might have missed? BTW, not sure if that with the fansite is going to work, since it's generally disencouraged: Rani is really, really popular, if we add one fansite, all the others want to get listed too - and I don't want some bad ones to get listed for Rani's sake and for her page; she's such a great actress. --Plumcouch 22:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hello, Shez, I raised the issue of linking fansites at the discussion page of the Indian Cinema Project. Maybe, if several editors have the same oppinion, one fanpage per article might be approriate. Why don't you contribute in the discussion there? Here's the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indian_cinema It's at the bottom. Best regards, --Plumcouch 23:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hum Tum kiss scene
Hallo, Shez, just noticed your Hum Tum changes. Doesn't Rani kiss Khan close-mouthed but still kiss him in the scene on the beach? Check this out: http://img130.exs.cx/img130/6301/RaniSaifKiss-HumTum.jpg It's on my DVD. Best regards, --Plumcouch 00:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chalte Chalte
Don't worry, when I come back this evening, I'll add Chalte Chalte. I don't have so much times in the mornings. Best regards, --Plumcouch 08:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blocking
Hi Shez, sorry for the late reply, as I was extremely busy. Wikipedia has clear rules as to when an admin can block a user. I can't and will not block you if you make good faith edits to the article. Yes, you may have a point about Zora, but you would have to make my job easier by providing me the diffs. Anyways, try speaking to Zora directly and asking her why your edit was reverted. If you don't get a satisfactory answer, please ping me. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chalte Chalte
Hey, Shez, finally got the time to add Chalte Chalte in the Rani Mukerji article. Let's see if it stays in. --Plumcouch 23:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani Mukerji
You asked me once that why has Zinta got her Filmfare status and Rani has not. On that note i removed the Filmfare positioning on Zinta's article, yet it is still on Mukerji's article. Also i feel it is not worth mentioning since you already highlighted it in the Filmfare List of Top Ten Actresses page. Also fair enough you want to add info on her career post KKHH, but you also made an edit on Zinta's article on 5 April 2006 about Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke in which you stated that you were seperating facts from lies. So basically the two films are hits for Rani but not for Preity. I guess we need to find out if HDJPK and CCCC were hits or flops. Pa7 00:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Listing films in "career"
Shez, we give a list of her films in the filmography. There's no need to repeat the information in the text of the career section. Sure, point out which films are considered major successes -- but DON'T list films that flopped or only did so-so.
The film festival bit is not noteworthy. It really isn't. The Filmfare lists are made up by journalist hacks, they're pure ephemera, and they don't count.
It doesn't make Rani any bigger or more important if you root out ephemera and use them to "prove" that she's important. She is just an actress. She is not all that important in the wider scheme of things! Scientists, mathematicians, poets -- those are the people who are going to be remembered a hundred years from now, when Rani is dust and just a name that appears in old movie credits. Please chill out and get some perspective. Zora 23:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Biased? Me?
OK Shez, i really liked your idea of putting tv appearances that is why i put it in Zinta's page. Also just for the record it is not a crime to copy ideas and apply to another page, especially if this is an encyclopedia which allows anyone to edit. I have never been accused of being biased and i have not filled Zinta's page with fancruft. All im doing is adding references, adding a new film, removing stuff and re-writing stuff. That is not obssession, that's called improvement. Also you mentioned that other editors are copying the Rani format. Your probably right, but the actor's box on Rani's page is on Lindsay Lohan's page as well. Didn't someone mention to you to make the article more like Lohan's. There are also tv appearances on her page, a table for the filmography and blah blah blah. There is nothing wrong with applying ideas taken from somewhere else. Pa7 11:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
P.S- also i just read your discussion contribution on the wiki indian cinema project. The fact that i added tv appearances to Zinta's page does not make me baised, since i never removed it from Mukerji's page anyway. The only bits i removed for her page was the fancruft and the birthday fact. Thank you. Pa7 18:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chalte Chalte
First she had worked with Amir Khan very early on, so it was not her first movie with a Star. ( And the time she worked with Govinda he was pretty successful too). 2nd Amir claims Mangal Pandey is a hit, media and industry is divided, so a star or an actor thinking their movie is a hit is not the defining factor. Haphar 05:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Rani Mukerji
Firstly thanks for the award. Secondly this might make you angry but im going to delete some of the content on Mukerji's article. I have not got anything against her, she is one of my favourite actresses but keeping stuff such as "she has ruled at the box office for the past two years" is misleading and un-encyclopedic. The filmfare fact should be deleted because that is journalistic info. The accomplishments are very misleading because then people will assume she is the best thing in the world which is very unfair to the other actresses. I know they have that sort of stuff on Jennifer Lopez's page but I really don't care what she has accomplished and how great she is. We have to be precise and non-biased. The personal life section really needs reducing because that is all gossip and rumours. The stuff about her new home is good and that is the type of info that is acceptable. Please don't be angry with me, as part of wiki-india cinema project we all have to maintain the articles and keep them in good shape. Thanks. Pa7 17:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- You may think im being bossy but frankly i just do not agree with your ways in glorifying Rani. She may be your favourite actress but wiki has to be neutral!! It is not fair that Mukerji gets the filmfare fact whilst other actresses can't have it. Ashwariya was number 1 for 2003 in the list but you do not see that fact on her page. Also calling someone bossy is a personal act, and just as a reminder you have been blocked before for your behaviour. I don't want to get you blocked and im sure you do not want to get blocked either. Im also following wiki india cinema policy by removing fancruft and the filmfare fact is fancruft. Pa7 15:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I have kept the power list fact but removed the fact the Filmfare magazine has named her the "best" actress for two years. Remember Filmfare magazine, Stardust and CineBlitz are all gossip magazines and there is nothing prestigious about them. Also the Filmfare List of Top Ten Actresses article that you created also states this. For people that are just reading about Bollywood, it would be misleading to say she was the best for two years. The magazine is not speaking in behalf of the people so there is no point in keeping it. I have left the power statement but I have a feeling someone might remove it eventually. Pa7 11:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of Hindi films
Hi. I just saw that a new user has created a new article on Hindi films. The list is very incomplete and needs to be sorted out aplhabetically. If possible, can you please start adding any Hindi films you can think of, we can sort out the order later. Im trying to get as many people to help out. BTW, I have to stress this, I don't think this means adding EVERY film that stars Rani Mukerji. Thank you. Pa7 18:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hi again, sorry to bother you! I think we do not need the article because half of the Hindi films don't even have articles on them. We have the category Hindi-language films and that has all the films that have articles on them. Even if we do expand this list, the majority will be filled with reds! I talked to the user who created it but I need some opinions. Thanx. Pa7 19:14, 5 August 2006
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- Hey Shez, that was a bit mean of me. The list is about Hindi films so yeah do whatever. It makes sense to add all the movies possible. Sorry about that! Pa7 13:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RE:
I think we really do not need the list but since the user who created it has added most of the movies, i can't really complain. Anyway we'll see how it goes, it does need to be sorted out alphabetically. I have not seen KANK yet, im going tonight. From the reviews all six characters have given good performances. Will tell you what I think of it. Best regards. Pa7 10:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] KANK
Too much crying in the film! Rani kept on crying, Shahrukh kept on crying, EVERYBODY WAS CRYING! Performance wise I liked all of them. Rani Mukerji looked fantastic in the film, I loved her scenes with Abhishek. Preity was very realistic but SRK kept on crying, he's like a waterfall. Abhishek was wicked but I did not like the way they explained Rani's character. They did not really explain why she has no love for her husband, maybe I missed something. Anywayz, hope you get to see Rani. Pa7 17:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] RE:
I guess you have a point about the whole situation in KANK. As for the credit order, I think that the actors should be credited to their role. Main actor, main actress, supporting roles.... In Veer-Zaara Preity was the main actress, she is in the title role. I have got the DVD and I have seen the credit order, but I feel it is in-appropriate to have the supporting actress ahead of the main actress. Yes, I have seen Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega. Rani is credited first but the main actress was Preity. Rani received a nomination in the supporting actress category for the film. Also another example is KANK. The credit order is Amitabh, Shahrukh, Abhishek, Rani, Preity and Kiron Kher. Do you think putting Abhishek ahead of Rani is appropriate especially when he is clearly the supporting actor. If that is the case then the credit order should be this way. I can understand why Johar put Amitabh first, that seems clear. You can not put someone like Shahrukh or Rani in front of Amitabh Bachchan. That's just insulting!! Anyway it looks like this issue will always arise when there is a film featuring Rani or Preity. They are both good actresses!! The credit order on KANK is according to imdb and I think everyone is ok with that. As for Veer-Zaara I feel the credit order should be SRK, Preity and Rani. What if they do a film together and Preity is credited before Rani, even though Rani is the main actress?? Will you be ok with the credit order because I would not... Pa7 12:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- NO SHEZ!! There is no favouritism on my part but I must say you have not been very fair to other actors such as crediting Rani before Saif in Hum Tum and more recently in Tara Rum Pum. Its not about favouritism its about who has the main roles. Zinta was the lead in Veer-Zaara. In Kya Kehna, the story is about Zinta, Im the one who credited her first and if you look at the credit history I also gave a reason. Maybe none of our opinions matter, but most of us believe that the person with the main roles should be credited first. As for Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega, Preity was the heroine and Rani was in a coma for the first half of the film, so I don't really see how she would have difficulty in enacting a role where all she had to do was lie on a bed and keep her eyes open!! As for who's popular, I do not know who is more popular but saying Rani is more popular is just wrong. We do not know who is more popular, I mean Kajol and Madhuri Dixit were all popular in there time and both Preity and Rani are popular today. Unless a survey is held around the world to see who is popular, im afraid were still stuck with the fact that BOTH the actresses are popular. Pa7 12:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- P.S - Shez I just read your comment on the Veer-Zaara poster, but I just saw the images you added on Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna. Why did you not use an image which also showed Zinta. I mean it had two images with Rani but you think it would have been fair to have an image which featured Zinta especially when she has a major role in the film. Ain't that being injust? Well I sorted that out when I uploaded a new version of the file you uploaded and featured an image that showed Preity with Shahrukh Khan. As for the Veer-Zaara poster, well I think that is the main poster and since there is already a screenshot featuring just Mukerji there is no point in having another poster which shows all three chracters. Pa7 12:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cast credits
Hello, Shez, your proposal as to credit stars according to the credits in the movie is a nice one, however, not every editor owns every movie and if one does, it would be approriate that another editor had to watch the movie too in order to verify the claims of the first one. For example, I don't own the Veer-Zaara-DVD and I don't have the time to rent it and I won't buy it. As not everyone has that much time, why don't we credit the cast like the rest of WP by using IMDb as source, since it is standard and allows newcomers to write articles with information just a click away. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 10:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani's pic in Stardust
I noticed that this pic [1] that you uploaded contains an invalid fair-use claim. It is not acceptable to use scans of magazine covers in the article of the person or persons depicted on the cover, unless used directly in connection with the publication of this image. I'm tagging it for deletion, but I just wanted to let you know in case you can replace it with a suitable image.Gamesmaster G-9 22:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, the administrators have already deleted it, so that means they agreed that it was a violation of fair use. Personally, I think we should avoid scaning magaine covers because of the possible copyright violations. As long as you cite the magazine article, you can just put some other pic in its place.Gamesmaster G-9 04:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] IMDb
Hello, Shez,
doesn't matter, if IMDb credits Preity Zinta before or after Mukerji, Bachchan, a Khan or God knows who. It's a source easily found and accessable by everyone - and, outside the Indian Cinema Project, everyone uses it. Why not go with the standard? --Plumcouch Talk2Me 19:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Filmmakers lists
Problem is, not all filmaker`s lists on how cast is credited are available, especially when it comes to older movies. In those cases, IMDb is really useful. And I won't rely on you when it comes to verifying cast information considering your history. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 22:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Leave? No
Frankly I have not agreed with some of your methods of editing. My edit history has shown that I have just tried to be fair to other actresses since some editors prefer one certain actress to another. Preity Zinta is not my favourite, its actually Madhuri Dixit. Favouritism is not really the point right now. As for me leaving the page alone, why should I? I like editing and I intend to carry on. I'd just like to say Zora and other editors were never ok with the page and they had not left it alone. This is not the Rani Mukerji encyclopedia, although for your sake that would be a good thing. Secondly I was never ok with the page, I hated it the way it was. Zora has changed the way the intro is, now hopefully you'll be ok with that. 18:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shahrukh Khan
"Shahrukh Khan is highest paid actor in Bollywood" is the link, it's not India. Please check links before adding content to Wikipedia. - AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 03:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New messages
Please do not create articles under the title New messages. Also, if you want to write about Rani Mukerji, please add information to that article rather than creating a new one. Thanks, NawlinWiki 03:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pointless
Well, I thought I'd better reply considering your lovely message you left on my talk page. What can I say except for this is stupid, pointless and pathetic. Im going to leave the Rani Mukerji article alone for now, but i'll probably revert the stuff tomorrow. Just telling you in advance. Since when was I IN CHARGE of the Mukerji and Zinta pages, that is a stupid assumption. You asked me what stuff to get rid of, I told you but I STILL HATED THE ARTICLE!! This is a free encyclopedia where anyone can edit. Nobody ownes the pages and I definently don't own them so don't accuse me of that. From your edit history, people will see that you have taken some ownership over the article, not me. Im doing what I can for the wiki india cinema project, but like I said what's the point in explaining to you. Oh yes, on the Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega article you accused me of changing the credits around under an anonymonous IP address. I actually sign in and do my editing but then I can't say the same about you [2]. You left the message but you were recognised as some IP address: 70:71:234:81. Are you a suspected sock puppet?? Now I know what kind of a person you are, but then again we've all known for ages -- Pa7 21:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani Mukherji Template
Created one. Could u add it to all her films . just add this Template:Films of X X. replace the X X with Rani Mukherji. I didn't put Rani Mukherji in that, otherwise the template would come in place of that.
Anyway see the template for yourself. Add the template to every film after the external links.
Raja Ki Aayegi Baraat • Ghulam • Kuch Kuch Hota Hai • Mehndi • Hello Brother • Badal • Hey Ram • Hadh Kar Di Aapne • Bichhoo • Har Dil Jo Pyar Karega • Kahin Pyaar Na Ho Jaaye • Chori Chori Chupke Chupke • Bas Itna Sa Khwaab Hai • Nayak • Pyaar Diwana Hota Hai • Mujhse Dosti Karoge! • Saathiya • Chalo Ishq Ladaaye • Chalte Chalte • Chori Chori • Calcutta Mail • LOC Kargil • Yuva • Hum Tum • Veer-Zaara • Black • Bunty Aur Babli • Paheli • The Rising • Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna • Baabul • Saawariya • Tara Rum Pum
[edit] Rani template
Shez, please don't place the Rani templates. The Rani and Aamir templates are going to be put up for deletion, as they go against the film template guidelines. Templates for directors only. If we have links to the actors' articles, with filmographies, that's enough. Zora 06:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Shez, it has nothing to do with Rani, or with you. It's general WP policy. See the discussion at WP:INCINE. I've since found that the fad started with fans of various South Indian stars and that there are lots of those templates. I've removed all the Aamir templates, and started on Madhavan. Zora 06:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please be civil.
Hi, I noticed your edit summary at Rani Mukerji. Please be civil. Thank you. WP:CIVIL --Kjoonlee 06:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Edits to other actor articles
Shez, it's good that you're editing other articles, but I had to revert most of what you did since: we're trying not to include casting rumors, we're trying to reference all trivia, we're not playing "cricket score" with awards totals, and we're not going to state that X is Y's best friend, or that X is Y's favorite actress. Even if that kind of thing is referenced (the trivia you added weren't), it's too mutable and messy to put in an encyclopedia. People change their mind about who and what they like all the time. Furthermore, they don't necessarily rank everything from best to worst. If you asked me what was my favorite food, or book, or movie, I couldn't tell you. There are many things I like a lot, a little, or not at all.
Do consider that these are living people, and that careless talk can HURT them. Zora 08:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blanking
Please don't be ignorant and delete facts just because you don't like Aishwarya Rai.
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[edit] Supposed rivalry with Preity
Shez, comments re Rani's feelings about another actress just do not belong in an encyclopedia. That's trivial. Now if the two actresses had a fistfight in a restaurant, or one of them shot the other, then their feelings about each other would be notable. In the absence of any such dramatic incidents, there's no need to speculate. Zora 01:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AfD on Filmfare's List of Top Ten Actresses
Shez, I'm putting this article up for deletion. One magazine's list of people it likes is utterly trivial -- but that's not what the article is about. You don't even give the lists. You've used the article to exalt Rani and put down other actresses. By linking that article to other actress articles, you're trying to use it to attack them. Zora 06:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re:Rani Mukerji
Hi Shez, no idea -- Lost(talk) 07:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Karan Johar
Hello, Shez, I know it's not the best of pictures, but it's public domain and Johar is a bit on it. It's one of the few pictures we cannot get sued for and this is what counts and WP is aiming for. If he comes to Frankfurt Book Fair the next year, I try to shoot a better one. ;) Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 23:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Notable roles
Notable roles is personal opinion. However, it would be possible to be OBJECTIVE if we had box office figures for all films in filmographies, and could then give a list of an actor/actress's top-grossing films. Top film? Top five? Award-winning films are covered in awards. Critical appreciation could be assessed, somewhat roughly, by having a section on critical reactions, and QUOTING reputable critics on performances in various films.
That would be a lot more work, but it would not be personal opinion or subjective impression. Zora 07:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Photos
Hello, I was writing an entry on Serbian Wikipedia about Urdu language. I am having hard time finding interesting pictures with everyday object that have Urdu script on them. If you would happen to have any magazines or daily newspapers or chocolate wrappers or CDs from Pakistan, with Urdu on them, could you take a photo of them and either post it on Wiki commons or take the photo and release rights into public domain? I would really appreciated it!
this is the link to Serbian Urdu page Urdu. It is in Serbian, so you may not understand it, but you can see photos I have there now.
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[edit] Rani Mukerji
Hello, I am writing this message regarding the Rani Mukerji page. I did some recent editing on that page and started a discussion regarding the section "Media appearances". I was going to delete it but I thought it would be better to discuss it. If you can, come to the discussion page on Mukerji's article and state your opinion on this section. -- Pa7 22:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cast changes and overall editing
I have removed, re-touched some things on Mukerji's page. Also I have re-added The Hero: Love Story of a Spy back to Zinta's top three grossers which is backed up by a credible source. I REALLY wanted to remove media appearances but have left it for now. Also I reverted your edits of Karan Johar's page where you removed the cast for Kal Ho Naa Ho and demoted Zinta in KANK. Since the format is IMDB then I re-added and reverted on that page. Speaking of KANK please stop uploading images for that page as it is becoming to crowded. I think that to be fair a movie poster, two images featuring the two main couples, an image of the four main chracters and the CD cover is preferable which is one of the reasons I removed the extraneous image which showed everybody getting ready. Also speaking of image uploading, fair enough you love Rani Mukerji but try to be fair to other actors and upload images featuring them as well. I've seen the Baabul page and every image features Mukerji. What about Hema Malini or Salman Khan? I remember we had this problem with KANK where you uploaded two images featuring Mukerji but did not consider Zinta especially if she is part of the main cast. I know it may seem Im a huge fan of Zinta, kinda like you love Mukerji. I personally prefer Madhuri Dixit who is so much better then the both of them. I felt you were attacking Preity Zinta and other actresses pages which I found really unfair. I kinda made it a thing to try and protect the page as well as other actresses from fangush, praise etc etc. Wikipedia has to be neutral and personally I feel that some of the pages are good. Please don't take my comments offensively. I saw your new notice above so feel free to respond on my talk page. -- Pa7 00:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Hello!
Hey Shez. Well, I read your comment, and well, the decision to follow IMDb's cast list is a bit odd because IMDb usually just put the names in alphabetical order since nobody has updated the credits list. And yep, Ash's name should be before Madhuri's name in Devdas because she's the lead. It's a bit odd, isn't it? -- Hariharan91 06:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Recent message
I have removed some things from Rani's article that were OTT but I have tried to keep the references. The awards on Preity's page are like Rani's but I did nominations and awards instead of just awards. Look, I am a BIG fan of Bollywood but there should be standards. I still don't like the Rani article cause its just got too much fancruft but I can't remove anything without offending you. I'll leave the article for now. You should see the Kareena Kapoor article. Zora's done such a good job on it. I think Rani's article needs to be like that, Preity's article is like Kareena's article. As for IMDB, I feel the main actors as in actor, actress, supporting actors... is a good way. I don't see what's that got to do with Veer-Zaara since Zinta was the heroine. Anywayz IMDB is fine for now. I can't be bothered to argue as Im too busy. Thanks for you reply. -- Pa7 16:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Differences in pages
Nice to hear from you too Shez! To clarify, I actually wanted to remove Shilpa's commitments because that is advertising not encyclopedic. I was advised against because currently the article is going to be cleaned up throughly according a certain user who has been working on the page. As for Miss Rani Mukherjee I've got nothing against her (I don't even know her), I guess you think everyone else is jealous of her (Im sure you stated that once), no need to be since there are better actors then her. I saw as soon as you returned you decided to model her page on Shilpa's page which is all hyped up because of CBB. Wikipedia does not advertise for actors that's what the magazines are for. Also I've said this countless times, if the sentence goes there is no need for the reference. Also to say that the references on Kareena Kapoor's page and Preity Zinta's page is no fault of mine. I don't see what Im doing wrong with this. I saw things that weren't sourced, so I sourced them. As every editor has to do, we can't have unsourced material on this encyclopedia. No fault of mine. -- Pa7 00:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- LOL, I knew you'd come out with something like this "You're having some jealousy problems". I was actually waiting for you to say that. Well Shez maybe you can keep the Helen Keller institute stuff but her appearances with Gordon Brown and Prince Andrew will have to go. -- Pa7 00:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Since when has "your work" been any of my priority. I've been doing what I need to to make sure that wiki pages look good. Just because I did not source anything on Mukerji's page does not mean you have the right to accuse me of favouritism. You've decided to edit her page because you choose to. I've been busy trying to sort out Saif Ali Khan's article and his filmography cuz I wanna get rid of the reds. Also by deleting the fact that she is one of the biggest names does not mean I have a problem with her. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean I do have a life and it certainly does not revolve around wikipedia or in your case Rani Mukerji. I don't think I have ever accused you of having a problem with other actors. If you bothered to look you would have seen that I didn't delete the sentence I tweaked it so next time have a look at the edit history. -- Pa7 00:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Excuse me, when did I say you haven't got a life. Since I've been editing on wikipedia, no one has said anything like that to me. I was actually surfing the net for references for Mukerji's GIFA nomination this year but then you sent me your wonderful message. What I hear about these actors is all from the net, and the fact that you say i "adore Preity Zinta" when all I've been doing is referencing is out of order. I ain't gonna act rude with you because that's something I just don't do and I don't want to be banned from editing because of explicit language. Do what you need to. -- Pa7 00:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Stuff
Hello, Shez, first of all: if we'd tried to "talk behind your back", we'd use the email Wikipedia provides and not write stuff openly on talk pages for the entire community to see. If you have read what I wrote on Pa's talk page, you know why IMDb isn't reliable anymore, so cast information has to be written with community consent as per WP policy - and, as you have probably noticed, the way Mukerji cited in several casts has not reached consent; given your history, we all are kinda suspicious (for a most recent example: did you notice that each picture you have uploaded for Baabul's gallery features Mukerji, while Bachchan and Khan are just seen once?). As for the awards stuff - I provided a link from Filmfare for the Lux New Face Award for Zinta - however their page does not say anything about Zinta winning the Best Debut Award - I'll try to find a reliable reference for that. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 22:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] shez lol
youuuu areee sonnnnnnnnn offf bichhhhh!!!! and i always will writt it if you dont stop do baaad things son of bich.... your mothe is a prostitute lol —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.90.236.146 (talk) 10:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
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[edit] Personal attacks
Hello, Shez 15, I seriously doubt that this is Pa7 - because her spelling is always correct; the way those words are written aren't very Pa7-esque; furthermore I doubt she would ever do such a thing. However, I posted a noted on the Anon's talk page - the guy has already a history. If it happens again I'll make sure he gets blocked. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 14:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Shez
The truth is that you are unfair. you always attack other actresses, and thats not right. according to boxofficeindia.com Preity is the most successful actress in India having more than 60% of success. however, nobody wrote it in her page. you can`t write that her name is the biggest name, or even one of the biggest names in India. If you write it, I`ll write it on Preity`s page because she is not less popular than Rani. Preity has 6 hits in her around 25 hindi films, while Rani has only 5 in her nearly 35 (K3G not included bcoz she had only a cameo there). she also works with the best directors like YC & KJ. More than that, she hasn`t come from actors family like Mukerji or Kareena. she is an actress for herself & for her tallent. Now, however I prefer Preity & I love all her films (specially DHT, KK, SN, VZ ...) & I think that she is the best, I really appriciate Rani for her work in the Indian Industry. I like her films such as Black, Saathiya & HT and I recognize that she is really good actress. For that reason i`ve never violated her page like you have done with Preity`s page (like "she is stupid" in disguise). At lost, I ask you now, stop designing Rani`s page like she is the best with all the biggest names & Awards & stop attack Preity because although I think that she is the best, I dont write fudges in her page. About the insults, I`m Sorry. and please remember, If you write personal opinions I`ll do the same on Preity`s page.
N.B: I`m not P_7
[edit] Personal attacks
You know what: I didn't say anything when you called me a hypocrite (which you used totally in the wrong context). User:Plumcouch told me to ignore you which I did. Then you did this [3] and I still kept quiet. I would have preferred it if you sent me a message rather then refer every edit history to me. I don't appreciate being attacked by someone. Now your accusing me of being this new anon who has attacked you personally. That's not my style, and I'd prefer not to get blocked from wikipedia. You have now accused me of being a liar. Carry on saying what you want but Im not going to take your insults towards me for long. -- Pa7 15:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Shezz
Why have you removed the things that I wrote to you?! I know why: because you are scared of other users to know that you are violating articles in wikipedia. I have a username and be sure: if you continue violate pages you will be blocked. I PROMISE!!!
N.B: in her around 35 films Rani had only 7 hits bcause K3G is not included. she had just a cameo there, while in her highest grossers she had just a supporting and brief roles. however, Preity in her 25 films has had 7 hits while she is the lead in all of them. you can see it in the success ratio when Preity has 65% of success & Rani has only 57%.
[edit] Preity
whats the matter with you? why do you violate Preity`s page??? Her name is PREITY not Preetam. Bobby Deol called her Preetam Because of her tom boy image, jokingly. IT IS NOT HER NAME. she is among the most successful actresses in the industry. just like kareena and Rani are. dont write things like SOUGHT-AFTER just because you want to make her inferior than rani in her success status. In the case of the awards, Rani has very much of unsourced awards names. Rani can have it and Preity cannot?!
if you continue with all that, I`ll make the same things in rani`s page. I will remove unsourced awards like have done with Preity. STOP IT shez it`s really unfair.
[edit] Awards
Shez! everybody knows that rani is a fantastic actress, however you`ve added awards that even dont exist. if they do exist so put references. there are famous awards like sansui, BBC FK, sports and more that could stay but you have to put sources to the other because very much of people listen those "awards" names for the first time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.5.26.228 (talk) 18:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
Who the hell are you? I did not make up stuff. You want references? I'll put them on the page. Stop annoying me!
[edit] hei shezzzz
don`t edit preitys page if you want only to ruin!!! If rani can be described as one of the biggest names preity can have it too. that`s the last time i`m writing you that!!! and please put references to Rani awards as the other anon asked for. if you dont do it i`ll remove the unsources awards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.90.236.146 (talk) 12:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Hi
Hi Shez I am Shshshsh. I have begun to write in wikipedia. I turn to you for somthing that other users asked you for: Please put references to Rani`s awards because as for the anon, there are awards` names we listen for the first time. one more thing: I am a Preity fan but it doesn`t mean I`m against Rani. For me, she is a very tallented and beautiful but please be fair in your editions. A few days ago you`ve edited Preity`s page removing awards & saying they are not facts. That`s not fair. as the previous anon said: "don`t edit Preity`s page if your goal is to violate her page. She is really not less than Rani. Thank You! Shshshsh
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I haven`t removed the awrds because you wanna put ref. However, I removed the "biggest names" sentence in Rani`s page as well as in Preity`s page. what is this?! it`s neither fansite nor magazine, so don`t add it again please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shshshsh (talk • contribs) 14:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Hi Shez
I can`t understand, what is this unsourced gossip in the Chalte Chalte page? Ash has never been in friends with rani. If you want to know, she is in good friends with Preity (you can see it in KWK the last episode with SRK, Kajol & Rani) so don`t invent things. Shshshsh
[edit] Again
listen your edits are just unbearable. you are not doing nothing, just try to increase rani`s name. which the reason we need the posters of hum tum & Chalte Chalte In bollywood page and in the cinema of india page. Rani is not the best and her films weren`t blockbusters as Nargis` films or Kajol films. Chalte Chalte was a little hit. You`ve replaced it with "Mother India". Why not Kal Ho Naa Ho? Veer Zaara? they were way way more successful than Chalte Chalte. Please stop it shez!!! Shshshsh
[edit] Shez!
First of all don`t write things like "don`t talk stupid" or "if you do know so much about Bollywood" or "please don't make a fool of yourself". I`m not your friend so please choose your words before you directing them to me & talking to me like this. you could explain it without those words. One more thing, about the biggest names, Preity is not inferior than Rani in her success, as I saw in your talk page and as I checked in boxofficeindia.com Preity has 65% of success while Rani has just 57&. so she is really not less than Rani. that`s the reason for which I`ll put this sentence in Preity`s page too, and don`t remove that. If you remove that I`ll remove that from Rani`s page. Shshshsh
[edit] Friends
Please source your claims. Yash Chopra is not her friend. He is just a director who appriciates her & works with her. How can they be friends?
now, you just copied the friends fact from Preity`s page. When I wrote that in Preity`s page about her friends fact you have removed that. I sourced that but you insisted to remove that. now, if you don`t want me to remove that, Please find a reference for all those names. Shshshsh.
[edit] Hi
My mouth is not shut. you just proved your comments & I agreed with you. I have done that because you have done that with Preity saying "she is not in goos friends with ash, they hardly meet once a year" and now you know it`s truth so you are shut. In the case of friends, if you think the meaning of sitting together in ceremonies, parties etc. is being friends, so Preity is definitely friend of Yash Chopra & Rekha (despite the fact that both of them have worked with her few times). here is the proof with Rekha with Rekha 2 with Yash Chopra
Rekha also said once that her good friends in the industry among the new generation are Hrithik, Preity, Kajol and more. Unfortunately, I don`t own the video but I think the pictures are sufficient. as for Yash Chopra, he is in friends with all of his actors. I think especially with SRK, Rani & Preity because they work with him frequently. Apart from it, I think you have seen his treat for Preity, the hugs, the respect. He refers to her as paternal & friendly as for Rani. so I will add him too.
If you still have doubt in the case of ash, take a look on this with ash ash everyone knows they are in good friends (see KWK the last episode with SRK & Rani).
By the way, Preity & Rani are not enemies as you assert. I saw the episode with them on KBC. they were truly nice & friendly each to other (like the embrace after dancing maahi ve). I don`t intend to add Rani`s name in Preity`s friend`s list but it will be good for you to see it with Rani with Rani 2
That`s it. now don`t remove Yash Chopra`s & Rekha`s names from Preity`s page please, because I proved it enough. now you search for references for Rani`s page. for the awards and for the friends (apart from YC, SRK AB) because many users protest on it, including me. For the awards, I really don`t know why do you need sources for popular awards. But others also insist on leave them here so we leave that like this.
I`ll try to help you to find sources. If you check my edits on Rani`s page you`ll see I haven`t done nothing bad. but I hate injustice. I hope the awards you have added really exist.
One more thing. don`t say that boxofficeindia is unreliable because it`s a lie. don`t do it just because it is not matching to your criterions. just because Preity is more successful than Rani. Ash wasn`t the number 1 in 2003, Preity was. She won many awards, she had huge hits so don`t invent.In Veer-Zaara Rani had a brief role so we hardly saw her between the love story scenes. So Preity had Veer-Zaara & Rani Hum Tum. In 2005, Preity had Salaam Namaste. That`s true that the film wasn`t a big hit in India but it came on to be the most successful overseas. every actress has her success. Rani broke into the media only in 2004. she hadn`t been liked by people before that. Preity became a star soon as she started her career. KK, soldier, MK. all those films were hits. her roles in films like Kya Kehna & Dil Hai Tumhara were appriciated by people. That`s the reason for which Karan Johar & Yash Chopra decided to work with her. I know you don`t like Preity because she constitutes a threat for Rani`s success, but it`s important to inform you that she is one of he best today, like Rani & Kareena, despite the fact that she comes from nowhere, in contrary of them.Shshshsh
[edit] How dare you?!
First of all keep your words for yourself, don`t dare writing me things like "Do something substantial in life" because I`m won`t be responsible for my acts. I can be way way angrier than you!!! I`m not obsessive with Preity like you are with Rani. Every user knows it & everybody can see it in your history LOL. That`s the last time I`m warning you not to insult me. I`m observing every step of you.
The rate from below average to blockbusters remain success. Both Rani and Preity have 14. Every other source you check will tell you that. B.O.I, filmfare or whatever. the difference is that Rani has more flops. Preity has done way way more in her 25 films than Rani in her 35. Today Rani is not number one. 2006 was the same for Preity & for Rani: 1 hit 1 flop. I don`t like this word at all because everyone has his personal opinions. I don`t wanna discuss this issue again. enough is enough. It`s a new year now, new films, we`ll see.
As for the awards. There is an anon who has reverted Rani`s page. I fought with him but I won`t do it again. I wanted to help you find sources but I neither won`t do it. find them by youself & do it quickly please because I won`t tolerate injustice. There is a possibility the awards really don`t even exist. I thought we ended our last conversation on an optimistic way but I was wtong. In any case, I don`t care. It`s your problem now.
My advice: Be careful on your talking style with me!!! Shshshsh
I`m not loser. you are. I will demonstrate your last act to one of the adminisrators. you are in troubles friend.
[edit] one more thing
Find references for Rani`s awards as fast as possible because I will remove all the unsourced awards. And Rani had nothing to do in KKHH the film was about SRK & Kajol, while Preity had soldier. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shshshsh (talk • contribs) 00:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] I`m not a child, you are.
you deleted all the things I wrote to tou writing I`m a loser & I won`t be silent for this. After all that, I`m a child?! LOLOLOL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shshshsh (talk • contribs) 00:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] stop
Please stop removing the biggest names from Preity`s page. If you do it again, I`ll remove the sentence from Rani`s page. I don`t care if this sentence appears on Ash`s page. Today Preity is definitely constitutes one of the biggest names like Ash & Rani. Why do you think the same sentence can`t be used in different pages? Who has determined that?! It`s not a fansite here for complaining & fighting for statements. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and everyone is free & unrestricted editing & adding things. "Don`t copy!" LOL. STOP IT!!!. Shshshsh
[edit] Jeena Isi Ka Naam Hai
In which episode of "Jeena Isi Ka Naam Hai" has had Rani appeared? I can`t find it anywhere. If you mean the one In which she had a little appearance (the Ash`s) so it`s not taken into account. Shshshsh
And please do somthing with the KWK episode. I cant add special notes there & I don`t know why. weird.
[edit] STOP it
who you are for editing Preity`s page like this? don`t delete the biggest names if rani and aishwarya rai have it. i saw your talk with this ssshhh. you wrote Rani is N. 1. hahahaha... she is not the best she is just popular actress. if Rani can have the biggest names and ash can why preity cant? what is this? and tell sssshhh stop editing ranis page he has to choose between rani or preity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.90.236.146 (talk) 12:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] OK
OK if you say she appeared in the show so we leave the JIKNH show. But why have you removed the TV Appearances table? I worked very hard on it. You can help & fix but why are you destroying my work? leave it like this and please do something with the first KWK show. There is a problem there. And don`t remove it again. Everybody can edit Rani`s page it`s not your property. Shshshsh
[edit] Table
If you want to leave the table like it had been before, I don`t care. I just wanted something new for her page. It is much more nice and good looking. I don`t know what is the problem of the KWK show, that`s why I turned to you. As for the Manish`s show, where is the sourse? the date? something to prove? I accepted the JIKNH show because it was a popular show & there is a big possibility that she has really appeared there. But Manish show seems to be false. Preity has source for every show she appeared in. It`s not fair. If it had been Preity`s page, you would have removed every unsourced show. I`m sure. So please find a reference as fast as possible. Shshshsh
[edit] OK
You`re not the only who tells me she appeared in this show so we leave this show. But be careful, the fact that I`m not doing nothing in the case of this show doesn`t mean you are free to write every unsources thing. Be aware of this. The second thing is about the dependence of me on you. Am I depended on you?!!!! HAHAHAHa LOL... Let me announce & remind you: Till date you have never helped me in anything. We haven`t even had a convesation in a friendly or pleasant manner. So please don`t write such fudges. Shshshsh
[edit] That`s OK
I understood your motives to do what you have done. The only thing I have done now is to put the MTV lycra awards into the other section, since it is not so important & and is only one. One more thing, I heard Rani won the BBC film cafe award for KANK. I`m not sure of this. do you know something? Maybe you have references for it? --Shshshsh 09:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
In other thought MTV lycra award is a popular award so I think it should be kept in a separate section. I reverted my edits. --Shshshsh 19:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Thank you so much!!!
I just can`t express my words. Thank you for your wonderful message. I believe our arguments and stupid confrontations have come to an end. I also believe we will share a great work together, although you won`t be here frequently. I will do the best to increase and expand Rani`s and Preity`s pages, as well as all the bollywood actors` pages. You`re right, Bollywood actors are really deprived. It`s not fair because, despite the fact of making more films, they work harder and they have stronger roles. OK, now about me, my name is Shahid. I know you thought I`m a big fan of Preity and I won`t do nothing exept editing her page but no. I like the whole bollywood world and just to notice you, my favorite actresses are Rekha, Manisha, Karisma, Rani and Preity. I will work on every possible page when I have time for it.
I will inform you about every new and important idea I had. I`m thinking of some new edits but I have to check which of them will be better and won`t stir up emotions on the orher users.
so finally, I am happy we have stopped arguing. Let me tell you that you have so beautiful name. by the way, you and me born on the same day. The independence day of India. I wish you all the best in the university, Thanks again --Shshshsh 11:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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