Talk:Sidhoji Rao Shitole

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-05-06. The result of the discussion was speedy keep.

Per Stifle's comments, this is sent to requested moves. Hamsacharya dan 01:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Except that you did not do so, so I have done so for you. Best regards—Hanuman Das 04:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I put it on a subpage of requested moves. Thanks for putting it on the main page also. I have added a comment there, regarding taking this move as a simple redirect, not a move per se. Stifle has also asked for this to be brought to RfC, which I have also done. Hamsacharya dan 07:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page move and article name

According to WP guidelines, biographical articles have to be titled with the real name of a person and not his alias, honorary title, etc. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, if that is the case, then Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath should be made a redirect to this page and protected. That will leave the old article's edit history which Hamsadan wants, makes this article which all the editors agree is nPOV into the main article, and satisfy WP guidelines... —Hanuman Das 16:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

OK to rd Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath to here. No need to protect, unless editwarring persists. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd recommend checking with User:Hamsacharya dan about that as I suspect he won't like this resolution and tends to arbitrarily "fix" what he doesn't like, regardless of concensus or discussion. I suspect it'll have to be protected. I'm also sure he'll provide a dozen long arguments about why he is right about what the article should be named. I only started this move vote because there was no concensus to move in the other direction. :-( —Hanuman Das 17:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Kindly consider a protect in order to facilitate/require discussion of additions and changes to this article. There has been a sorry and time consuming history of edit warring on this subject without discussion of disputed points. The article is now in a good condition. It would be a fine trend if changes were made only due to discussion and consensus.--Chai Walla 18:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I will not get involved in the dispute. Make the redirect as needed and then we shall see if there is edit warring that will warrant protection. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 18:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, you'll have to unprotect Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath for any of us non-admins to be able to do that! Or do we put in a request for unprotection? Should we wait and see if User:Hamsacharya dan will agree to this resolution? —Hanuman Das 19:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Jossi - the WP policy that I have seen states that biographies should be listed under their most commonly used name (Manual of Style), with their birth name in the lead paragraph. This is already done on protected page. You can see examples of this in countless other articles including, but not limited to:

Nostradamus (bn Michel de Nostradame) **featured article

Paramahansa Yogananda (birth name Mukunda Lal Ghosh),

Sri Yukteswar Giri (bn Priya Nath Karar),

Swami Kriyananda (bn J. Donald Walters),

Sri Chinmoy (bn Chinmoy Kumar Ghose),

Swami Vivekananda (bn Narendranath Dutta),

Shri Gurudev Mahendranath (bn Lawrence Miles) --Hamsacharya dan 01:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan, you are correct that Shri Gurudev Mahendranath was born Lawrence Miles, but the name was given to him by his Guru, Shri Lokanath the Avadhoot of Uttara Kashi, a specific historical personality of the Adi-Nath Sampradaya. His name was also legally changed and the same name found on his British passport. In other words, it was his legal name. A point worth clarifying in context I think.--Chai Walla 01:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

What is the most common name for this person? ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 01:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Most common name is Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath. Evidence of this can be seen on Google Ghits: 2580 versus 20 for Sidhoji Rao Shitole - most of which comes from wikipedia.

Other examples of using the most common name rather than the birth name that would mean more to you Jossi, would be all the individuals under Advait Mat (interesting user page you have there..I didn't expect to find this..) Hamsacharya dan 01:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, The most commonly used name should be used as a title - Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath is most commonly used name, and should be the title of the article. Sfacets 22:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I have moved the article as discussed. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Terminator III: Please do not move the article again, as per the conversation above. Thank you. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)