Talk:Soviet coup attempt of 1991
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Shouldn't this be Soviet coup attempt of 1991? RickK 05:10, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)
- Yes. Please go ahead and move it. 172 05:26, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- The first sentence is bad as it explain the consequence before describing what happened. Ericd 23:18, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- Very true. I fixed. Let me know what you think. --Jfruh 15:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Unification Movement
A brother in the Unification Church told me (in a face-to-face conversation) that Gorbachev was able to maintain contact with the outside world via a fax machine supplied by the church, whose existence was unknown to coup plotters. They thought they had cut all his phone lines, but they didn't know about the fax machine.
I'm not sure how to mention this in the article (or even whether to do so). But it's interesting that after the Christmas Resignation and the re-organization of the Soviet Union into the CIS, Unificationist missionaries flooded the former empire by the hundreds. Uncle Ed 18:03, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
that is insane bullshit. so you are saying they CUT HIS PHONE LINES but he used a FAX MACHINE?
look, the "coup" was FAKE kids. there was no "collapse" of communism. the communists staged a "break from the past"
you people are fucking retarded.
Who are the communists ? Gorbatchev was a communist, Eltsin was a communist, Poutine was a communist those who made the coup were communist.... However comunism collapsed in USSR... Who's retarded ? As nobody at that time was really believing in communism they were all playing different games. Communism or at least Stalinism is dead. Ericd 21:03, 27 September 2005 (UTC) __________________________
The sentence in the article about the Baltic countries "pressing for full independence" is incorrect. Lithuana and other countries/republics had already declared full independence. I recommend a change.
- In fact this is not totally correct. True, Lithuania re-declared independence earlier (11th of March 1990), but Estonia only on 20th of August 1991 and Latvia on 21st of August 1991. So the sentence mentioned is partially true. However I agree it could by worded better Boy
I think this is incorrect: "re-recognized" by the United States and other western social democracies who throughout the era of Cold War had considered the 1940 Soviet annexation of the three Baltic nations illegal in the first place. First of all, since when was United States a 'social democracy'????? Second, the United States did not always contest the annexation of the three Baltic nations as illegal. The US and Stalinist USSR were allies in the war remember?
[edit] "Coup was a blunder"
I've moved this paragraph from the article here to the talk page:
- The coup attempt was a blunder from the very beginning. As mentioned before, the plotters failed to acheive the main objetives of any succesful coup. First of all, the KGB made the mistake of not arresting Boris Yeltsin, who was a popular leader capable of creating resistance. Second, they did not pull the plug on the main communications of everyone other than Gorbachev. And third, they lacked reliable, motivated soldiers, since many of them believed they were performing another drill.
This reads like an original research essay. If we're going to include it, we need more than just the anonymous author's opinion on these facts. —Cleared as filed. 12:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Parliament burning
I don't see what was one of the most spectacular, the huge parliament building on fire, in particular the level in the middle. Marc Venot 23:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
This was in the events of October 1993, not in August 1991
[edit] Why does every article has that unique anglo POV?
My dears, wether you like it or not and wether you agree or not, Belarus is not a dictatorship. If Lukashenko's opponents characterize his government as a dictatorship, assuming such terminology in a supposedly neutral article is a severe violation to WP:NPOV. --200.85.113.242 06:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Irrelevant topical joke from 1991
Q) "What's the difference between Mikhail Gorbachev and an Essex girl?"
A) "They both went on holiday and got screwed by ten men - but Gorbachev got their names"
[edit] reference
This was a reference showing up after "guns pointing outward." I didn't know how to add the reference but it wasn't showing up. If someone could fix that, that'd be great.
<1--page 18, 19, Age of Delirium, ISBN 039452934/>.
[edit] "Vodka Putsch"
Why is the coup also known as the "Vodka Putsch"? If it's mentioned, the article should explain why. (I think I remember that Gorbachev tried to restrict the sale of vodka due to increasing problems with alcoholism, but what's the connection?)Camillus (talk) 09:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] State capitalists
I don't understand the recent edit to the second sentence referring to the coup leaders as "state capitalists." Sounds like a Maoist POV. Regardless, whatever it seems to you were their aims, they ascribed the need for the coup to return to Leninism, and I think it's generally accepted to refer to them as "hardline communists". --Lenin1991 22:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, this is definitely incorrect. The coup leaders hoped to preserve the Soviet State and pull back on Gorbachev's reforms, therefore they were "hardline communists" in the most common usage. I'm not sure how the rules work, but I'm changing it. Dwinetsk 05:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Category:Photographs?
Is there a famous photograph associated with this coup? I've never seen the one photo in the article before so forgive me if I'm just being ignorant. The article could at least mention it if the article is to be included in Category:Photographs. Recury 19:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
