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Contents 1 Novelization vs. Movie 2 The Rock Monster 3 Citation needed 4 FX 5 Revision battle 6 Early screenplay 7 Blame it on Batman 8 Wich movies was ILM working???

[edit] Novelization vs. Movie

The Novelization of ST:V was actually pretty decent. It sold the idea much better than the movie did. I think ST:V could have been a decent movie, but it would have needed a lot of rewriting. The premise is decent, but the implementation was poor.--RLent 22:38, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Would you leave the techinical flaws in? For instance, would they still be able to fly to the center of the galaxy in a few weeks? --Peace Inside 22:45, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Rock Monster

Question for discussion...Is there evidence that the inspiration for the Rock Monster in Galaxy Quest was taken from the unrealized rock monster meant for this movie? If so, envision that part of Galaxy Quest inserted into TFF...interesting.

[edit] Citation needed

The claim in the Notes section...

"The special effects supervisor, Bran Ferren, allegedly admitted he did not care about the quality of the effects work...."

...is a pretty serious charge, and needs a source.

Yes, the effects were crap. But saying the person who did them admitted he didn't care how they turned out is another thing.--MrWhipple 00:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FX

If you can dig up a copy of American Cinematographer from the period, the special effects guy talks about how great the effects will be and how his theatre training will allow the film to have great visuals. The article neverthess pans the film even before the movie came out.

[edit] Revision battle

I'm curious why every effort to identify this as the worst reviewed Star Trek movie is always removed. I'd like to add this to the trivia portion. It's relevant, it's not opinion, and it's cited. Why not include it?

• The Final Frontier is the worst reviewed Star Trek by far. [1] [2])

--Navstar 05:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Probably because the rottentomatoes site doesn't have that many reviews in its database regarding STV (the Variety review is suspiciously missing, for example). Your second link is for STVI, not STV. Star Trek: Nemesis was trashed just as mercilessly, if not more.

I think of the TOS movies it was the worst reviewed and I believe "worst by far" would be true in that case.--T. Anthony 09:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early screenplay

I noticed that most of the info on the early screenplay was added by one user over the course of three edits.[3]. They did not provide a source for it, and it is rife with unencyclopedic commentary (and personally, parts of it seem to be exaggerated bullshit). I copy/pasted the paragraph about the original story from the 00:57, June 22, 2006 version of the article. That text is itself unsourced, but it doesn't stink like what 72.145.221.149 wrote.--Drat (Talk) 09:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

The longer description is from Shatner's own descriptions, which one would assume is the most accurate. It's definitely more accurate than the current description.

[edit] Blame it on Batman

As I recall, Shatner blamed the film's lack of sucess on the Batman movie by Tim Burton. Can anyone find a quote?

No, Shatner didn't blame the Batman movie. However, in Shatner's book "Movie Memories", writer/producer Harve Bennett stated that summer 1989 was one of the biggest summers for huge blockbusters at the time, showing big films like Batman, Indy 3, Lethal Weapon 2, Rain Man, Back To The Future 2, Look Who's Talking, Honey I Shrunk The Kids... and Star Trek V was stuck right in the middle of them. The competition was fierce and MAY have effected the box office. Plus, The Next Generation was a smash hit at the time and fans were less hungry. But Bennett didn't overtly blame the Batman film, either. He was just saying that Star Trek V had a lot of competition and a short theatrical run to make room for blockbusters like Batman. Weird Al's "UHF" got crushed that summer, too.

[edit] Wich movies was ILM working???

This article is ambiguous. First it state ILM was working in Back to the Future II + III. And one paragraph later it states ILM was very busy in Indiana Jones 3 + Ghostbusters 2. Which is right? Or are they all?-- SSPecter ^talk @ 12 november 2006