Talk:Supralapsarianism and infralapsarianism
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[edit] Luther a Calvinist
"Many prominent early Calvinists were supralapsarian, such as Martin Luther," -- since when was Luther a Calvinist??????
- Theologically, Luther is definitely a Calvinist. He is not a Calvinist in the denominational or paritsan sense of the word in which it describes the later churches which sprang up in Germany and elsewhere devoted to either the teachings of Philip Melanchthon, Luther's disciple, or Calvin and his disciples (like John Knox). This terminology is common in historical studies, where Scandinavia and Protestant Germany are generally considered Lutheran and the Netherlands, Protestant Switzerland, and Scotland are Calvinist. This tells us nothing, however, about their actually doctrinal leanings, only (nominal) denominatinoal affiliation. For example, the Church of England under Elizabeth I accepted the doctrinally Calvinist 39 Articles (which were, in fact, heavily influenced by Calvin's writings), while Elizabeth herself was no fan of Calvin and her church was distinctly not denominationally tied to Calvins'. Srnec 18:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Theologically Luther was not a Calvinist, their views of the eucharist are incompatible, same goes for Zwingli. Might I remind you that this is not trivial, after a theory of justification, the eucharist is the most important point of doctrinal dispute in western christendom. Two things can happen a) Change 'Calvisnist' to 'Protestant' and then they can all stay in b) Edit all non-Calvinists out of the list.
I'm now going to do (a) 90.200.32.88 12:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
