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[edit] A' Bheurla Ghallda?
The airtin tae gd: airts til gd:A' Bheurla Ghallda, or "Unco English"! Ciamar a chanas mi Scots anns a' Ghàidhlig? Bha mi a' tuigsinn gu bheil e Albannais neo Albais, agus chan eil A' Bheurla Ghallda. ("Hou dae A say Scots in Gaelic? A thocht it wis Albannais or Albais, no A' Bheurla Ghallda." Sairy for ma scunnersome Gaelic, an A ken this is probably something for gd: tae discuss.) Mendor 18:03, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
- "A' Bheurla Ghallda" is richt eneuch. "Beurla" means "Babble" an "Gallda" means "fremmit" maistlins but "Lowland" in this contex. Pit the phrase inti Google an tak a look at the results. Crying it Albais wad be like cryin "A' Bheurla", Sassunais. Logical but nae richt (or nae insultin eneuch oniewey). -- 204.209.24.2 18:38, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
- Ahh. "Lowland babble" as agin juist "babble" — fair eneuch ;-) (Mynd you A am shuir that in ma Gaelic textbeuk Speaking Our Language it wis cryed Albais, but frae googlin the twa terms A jalouse that Albais micht be a bit o a "poleitically correct" version o A' Bheurla Ghallda? Mendor 18:55, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
- That's aboot the size o it. -- 204.209.24.2 20:05, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
To clarify (and im sorry i cant do so in Scots!) a'Bheurla Ghallda is the traditional nomenclature for lowland Scots. Albais is a recent neologism. Theres a similiar situation in Irish where Scots was traditionally referred to as 'Bèarla na hAlban' but they too have introduced a neologism - 'Albanais' - although im not sure how popularly used this latter word is.
[edit] Vouel lenth phonemic?
For clever chiels at kens anent this kin o thing. Is vouel lenth conseidert phonemic in Scots? The exemplar that got me tae thinkin anent this wis the differ atween deid — A say [did] — an dee'd — A say [di:d]. Mendor 18:03, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
- The airticle Scots vouel lenth rule expoonds hou vouel lenth isna for ordinar phonemic but condeetiont bi the environ that a vouel finds itsel in.
- The /i/ in dee'd is lang acause it kythes afore a morpheme boond.
- Jimmy 10:33, 12 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Aye, A'd seen that, but shuirly that still means it's phonemic but? The'r a meinimal pair in deid an dee'd, is the no?
Whan ye say "vouel lenth isna for ordinar phonemic" dis that mean the'r exceptions? A juist ask acause A think it wad gie an interestin comeback tae fowk that says that Scots isna a separate leid frae the English. English disna disteinguish atween vouel lenths as faur's A ken -- dis it? Mendor 16:25, 12 Augist 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Scots Leid Associe
This is whit thay cry thairsels in Scots (see for examplar [1]), sae A think it wad be safe eneuch tae hae that in the airtin, wad it no? Mendor 18:03, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
- It's a teuch ane. Whan spikkin about them in Scots or screivin informally I'd cry them "Scots Leid Associe" but whan screivin aboot them here as a topic I think we shoud uise their legal name athoot owersettin, in the same wey that we dinna owerset the names o beuks an sae furth whan we screive aboot them. That's the wey I chynged the airtin back. Houaniver I'm nae gaun ti fash masel ower it. -- Derek Ross 18:48, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Hmm. A wis thinkin anent this an aa. We aareadies hiv Scots Pairlament, Scots Socialist Pairty, Preses o the Scots Pairlament an a puckle ither airticles that isna uisin "legal" names but oor ain "unoffeicial" Scots owersettins. A wis gaunae pit up an airticle anent the Naitional Heal (Halth?) Service an aa, but that isna an "offeicial" name, an A wis wunnerin if it wad be better unner its "offeicial" teitle "National Health Service"... we'r gaunae hae tae thrash oot a policy on this A think — Mendor 20:59, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
- It's a rael thorny issue. I'm nae shuir o the best wey to gang masel. Mair input frae ithers wad be guid. -- Derek Ross 21:10, 11 Augist 2005 (UTC)
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- A dinna see ocht wrang wi Scots versions that uises obvious Scots cognates o the English wirds. A problem wad be makkin up wirds, cleckin neologisms or uisin ither wirds in contexts whaur thay're no for ordinar uised.
- Jimmy 22:25, 12 Augist 2005 (UTC)
