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Contents 1 Skyline Photo 2 Web link to International Arts and Film Foundation 3 Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries 4 Most prior discussions are now archived 5 Nicknames 6 Tampa's flag 7 Sulphur Springs Water Tower 8 Tags 9 Religion 10 Celeberties from Tampa? 11 Music 12 Meaning of Tampa 13 Map of tampa 14 More places you can add 15 Too many images Archives Archive #1 Archive #2

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Some sections of the Tampa article are a mess and need to be cleaned up and improved. Here are some of the things that need to be done: Education section needs improvements: the whole section on Education (Institutions of Higher Learning, High schools, and Middle schools) is in list form and should be moved to a separate article the school section needs to be expanded there are other sections of the article that are in list form and need to be converted into sentence format (prose) The History of Tampa, Florida needs to be expanded along with pictures of Tampa in the early days and today improve History section on it's main article, kinda like Seattle's History section on it's main article with Founding, Major events, and Economic history For help, go to Seattle or Ann Arbor to check out their articles or History sections. Seattle, Washington and Ann Arbor, Michigan are Featured articles, and we can do the same on Tampa, Florida's article as well.

[edit] Skyline Photo

I have replaced the skyline photo, the last one was obviously photo-shopped, which I believe should not be used.

--Adilettante 04:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Web link to International Arts and Film Foundation

I have twice now removed Official Site this web link inserted by User:Stevenc317 immediately after this internal link: International Arts and Film Foundation. As the International Arts and Film Foundation article exists, and has the web link in it, I see no reason to to included it again in the Tampa article. We do not as a rule insert web links immediately after internal links. I do not intend to engage in an edit war with Stevenc317, but I think this does need to be discussed. -- Donald Albury 01:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.

This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Tampa instead of Tampa, Florida, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 18:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most prior discussions are now archived

Since the discussion page size was over 50 KB long, it was wise to archived previous discussions. Links to previous discussions can be found at the "archive" template on the top section of this page. --Moreau36 00:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

Does anyone really call it "T-Town"? Can we have a citation for this? Gamaliel 17:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

A Google search of '"T-Town" Tampa' returned over 15000 results. My quick review of the sites shows that any city or town that starts with 'T' can be called "T-Town". Tampa has a fair share of people using this nickname. LtGen 04:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I've lived here for 25 years and never, ever heard anyone say "T-Town" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Morthanley (talk • contribs) 02:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

Seconded...no one referrs to it as t-town that I know, nor have I ever heard of it from others.

my friends and i call it ttown--21:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)~~

[edit] Tampa's flag

I just have to ask...why is there a Stealth Bomber in the fly of the Tampa city flag? - Aerobird 22:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sulphur Springs Water Tower

In the Landmarks section, Sulphur Springs Water Tower is referred to as a "highly visible but somewhat mysterious landmark.".

Is there a reason for the term "mysterious" to be included without explanation? Following the link for the Sulphur Springs Water Tower yields a Wiki page that doesn't really clarify the term "mysterious" either; just curious as to the necessity of the adjective. Thanks! 03:10, 6 January 2007 EflatMinor2007 03:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Not that long ago most people didn't know what it is or where it came from, but the proximity to 275 meant almost everyone had seen it. It's a bit less mysterious since all the news generated when they purposed to tear it down, but before then I'd wager 90% of the city couldn't have even told you it was a water tower (myself included)

I mean does it look like a water tower to you? ;)

Even now that it's history is a bit more well known the way it became a landmark is still funny. It had sat there rotting for so many years, but the second someone purposed to tear it down everyone was like wohhhh we love that thing.

Personally I'd be for leaving the mysterious description on there just to pay homage to it's unique past. --Reyals 15:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm! I know I read about the water tower in the Tampa Tribune more than one time in the 1960s and/or 1970s, so I've known about it for a long time, and I've never lived in or around Tampa (although my first wife was from there). FWIW. -- Donald Albury 02:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

The tags I put reflect what was suggested by the to-do list to make it a better article like the featured articles so I am reverting it.--JEF 18:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

They're on the to-do list precisely to avoid cluttering up the article page with tags indicating what needs to be done. So instead of adding empty sections with expand tags and adding "convert to prose" tags to lists (some of which should remain as lists), Be Bold and work on creating/expandng the sections yourself, just beware of wiki-addiction... :-) - Aerobird 02:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

Should there be a religion section? Please vote and discuss.--JEF 14:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

We do not start off discussions of changes by voting. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a democracy, which is policy, Wikipedia:Consensus, which is a quideline, and Wikipedia:Straw polls and Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion, which are still proposals, but reflect the feeling of most Wikipedians that polls (not votes, by the way), should only be used to determine whether consensus has been achieved on a subject. -- Donald Albury 00:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celeberties from Tampa?

--70.149.107.121 01:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Are there any celeberties from Tampa, list some. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.149.107.121 (talk) 01:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

I can tell you're from Florida. It's spelled "Celebrities." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.26.101.71 (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Music

ok i tried to put tampas music on there but someone deleted it. so can someone please at least mention it!!! its called Jook Muisc

I hope someone deletes it again, it's terrible and looks like original research --Morthanley 18:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

urbandictionary isnt a legit source --Morthanley 01:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of Tampa

170.148.92.42 19:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)The article states “though it is sometimes claimed to mean "sticks of fire" in the language of the Calusa”. The Calusa’s were indigenous to the SW FL area, not West Central FL. If Tampa DOES mean “sticks of fire”, I would think it would have been named by the people of the indigenous pre historic tribe, which I believe was the Timucuans.170.148.92.42 19:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Dean Hanson

As is explained in the next paragraph in the article, the likely location of the original town of 'Tanpa' was on Charlotte Harbor, which was indeed in the Caloosa territory. The transfer of the name to the present day Tampa Bay was likely due to confusion by the Spanish when they returned much later to the west coast of Florida. Also, the Timucua territory did not extend to the Tampa Bay area. The Tocobaga were the dominent tribe around Tampa Bay at the time of Spanish contact. As essentially nothing is known of the languages of either the Caloosa or the Tocobaga, speculation as to the meaning of 'Tanpa' or 'Tampa' is futile. -- Donald Albury 01:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map of tampa

I changed the old "map of tampa" to the new one because the old one was quite literally not recognizeable as Tampa. Where is downtown? Where is the bay? where is MacDill AFB or the peninsula it is located on? I can't tell where anything is nor do I even recognize the basic shape of the city limits of Tampa. That was not a map of Tampa at all. Maybe its not of Tampa. Maybe it about tampa but not a map. But whatever it is, it is not a map of tampa. WAS 4.250 18:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that maybe it is color coded using colors I can't tell apart. I am red green color blind. If you are color coding it make sure the colors differ in light-dark scale as well - like dark green rather than light green so I can tell it from white and a purple lighter or darker than red or blue so I can tell them apart. WAS 4.250 18:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The map you keep putting up combines Pinellas and Hillsborough Counties, and shows Hillsborough County divided in some way that does not correspond to the city limits of Tampa. The other map shows the city and census-designated-place boundaries in Hillsborough County, with the City of Tampa in red. This same style of map is used in several other Florida city articles. I'm reverting you again, as the map you put up does not show the City of Tampa. -- Donald Albury 03:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I finally figured out the problem. Your map does not distinguish between land and water for either the boundaries of the county nor the boundaries of the city. No wonder I didn't recognize it. As for being useful, you are fooling yourself that this is useful to anyone for anything. I repeat : this is not a recognizeable map of Tampa. Ask anyone who knows the place. As for me, I'm outta here. I don't stay where I'm not wanted. WAS 4.250 03:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

No offense, but they both suck. Morthanley 07:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to agree with Mort. They're not of the best quality and not very useful either way. If you guys want, I can try to come up with something over the weekend. Anyone else want to try, feel free, and we can see what looks best on Monday. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 15:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The first map was produced the same way as Image:Map of Florida highlighting Miami.png, which has the advantage of showing the political boundaries of the cities, as well as their relative location in the county and in the state. These maps were produced by Bastique (talk • contribs). I suggest dropping him a line to see what can be done about showing shorelines in the maps. -- Donald Albury 13:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Map done. If you have any issues...please leave me a message. Bastiq▼e ^demandez 18:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More places you can add

Check out List of Registered Historic Places in Hillsborough County, Florida. Some of the places are included in the article, some not. Wanted to let folks know, in case there's any that people think should be added. :) --Ebyabe 20:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too many images

A lot of the recently added images seem unnecessary. For example three Davis Islands photos and a bunch of stadium and dome photos should be in their own respective articles, not in the Tampa article. Morthanley 22:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)