Talk:Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.

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Contents 1 Redundant text removed; anyone disagree? 2 Jr. vs. III 3 Eleanor Roosevelt, wife/cousin? 4 Medal of Honor

[edit] Redundant text removed; anyone disagree?

I just did a heavy edit on the "World War II service and death" section. In the process, I removed a block of text from the end of the "Roosevelt's leadership style clashes" subsection because it repeated material covered earlier.

He had wanted to be a soldier since early childhood. Talked out of West Point by his father, Ted nevertheless volunteered to attend the Plattsburgh Officer Candidates School in New York, and there had distinguished himself as a young officer candidate in the summers leading up to World War I. When the United States declared war on Germany, given a major's commission, Ted volunteered to be of the first soldiers to go France. There, Ted had distinguished himself as the best battalion commander in his division per the division commander, himself. He had braved hostile fire and gas and had led his battalion in combat. So concerned was he for his men's welfare that he had even purchased combat boots for the entire battalion with his own money. Before the troops even came home from France, he had originated and championed the idea of a soldier's organization that would become the American Legion. In between wars, Ted continued to attend professional officer training classes. Although not a West Point graduate or a career regular Army officer, any casual reader has to ask how Ted was not a soldier in almost every sense except in Patton's spit-shinned way.

This leaves the assertion that he was "a soldier's soldier" unsupported; maybe someone who knows the subject will have a better sense for how to address that than I do.

I also removed information about the D-Day landing because the sentence was hopelessly tangled and I couldn't quickly figure out the facts:

He was the first soldier off the landing craft on landed with Company E, 2nd Battalion, 8th US Army Regiment, permission to land with one of the first waves of troops at Utah Beach. On D-day, he led the U.S. 4th Infantry Division's landing at Utah Beach.

I took out the company, battalion, and regiment info and reworded. DoorsAjar 00:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jr. vs. III

"He married his childhood sweetheart, Eleanor Butler Alexander, on June 20, 1910."

Shouldn't he be theodore roosevelt the third, since his father was the second? Wikiwarlock 04:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Since President Theodore Roosevelt's father died before Theodore Jr. was born, it was up to the discretion of the family as to the use of "Junior" and "III". The same situation applied with George S. Patton, Jr., the World War II general, whose grandfather, the first George S. Patton, died before he was born, although the general's own son called himself George S. Patton IV.209.158.189.54 21:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eleanor Roosevelt, wife/cousin?

Did they call his wife Eleanor Roosevelt? What an interesting coincidence! -- Toytoy 02:26, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, Ted's wife was called Eleanor Roosevelt. During THE Eleanor Roosevelt's campaign against her first cousin, Ted's Eleanor found not only Eleanor's means of campaigning displeasing but also the fact the two of them had the same name and that voters would think that his wife was campaigning against him. 10:58 2 May 2006 (UTC)

One of the pictures has a caption that says he died less than a month after D-Day. But if he died on July 12 and D-Day was June 6, that is over a month.

[edit] Medal of Honor

It may be difficult to maintain NPOV, but Teddy Sr. and Jr's MoHs were both extremely political, and IMO that fact should be addressed. (Teddy Sr.'s award was one of the last things Bill Clinton did in office, presenting the gong to TR's grand-nephew, IIRC, 100 years after the event.) Teddy Jr. was a very popular officer, and certainly his name did not hurt the campaign to give him the award. But in all objectivity, neither award was merited because neither action was remotely "above & beyond." TR Sr. was a regimental commander who commanded his regiment, period. Jr. was an asst. division cdr. doing what BGs do. If anyone deserved an MoH for actions "below and beyond" it was Norman Cota, asst. cdr. of the 29th Div., who performed almost every function expected of 2nd lts. up to BGs, on Omaha Beach--a far, far tougher situation than Utah.