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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Wrong with the Byzantines vs Ottomans 1.2 Size 1.3 VILAYET OF SELANIK SHOULD BE ADDED IN OTTOMAN ERA 1.4 OSMANLI CHIEF ADMINISTRATORS 1.5 Re-organization of the Photos 1.6 Foreign Consulates & Sports Clubs

[edit] Comments

[edit] Wrong with the Byzantines vs Ottomans

Its a well known fact that the Byzantines held onto Thessalonika after the fall of Constantinople. In fact, if you look at Fall of Constantinople article and scroll down to the map, you'll see its under Byzantine control. Hmmm. Also, when constantinople fell, a Byzantine pretender took the city until it was lost in teh later half of the 15th century. Tourskin.

[edit] Size

This article is becoming very long. Perhaps we should move some of the content to subpages (like History of Thessaloniki), trim useless stuff, etc. See Wikipedia:Article series for more information. Khoikhoi 20:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VILAYET OF SELANIK SHOULD BE ADDED IN OTTOMAN ERA

OSMANLI The Osmanli Elayet of Selanik (Gr.: Thessalonike) was created ca 1846 out of parts of the Elayet Rumeli. It became a Vilayet in 1867.

In 1912, on the eve of the Balkan Wars, it included three Sandjaks :

- Drama (Gr. Dráma) (1) - Selanik (2) - Siroz (Gr. Sérrai)

In 1912 - 1913 the Vilayet was occupied by Bulgarian and Greek troops. After some strife most of it - except the Kaza of Dovlan (Bulg.: Devin) in the Sandjak of Dráma, which was assigned to Bulgaria - became part of Greece (Treaty of Bucharest of 1913).

(1) Included in the Sandjak of Dráma was the island of Thásos (T.: Tashuz)

   This island had become a Sandjak of the Elayet of the [[Djeza'ir-i Bahr-i
   Sefid]] in 1556, before being transferred to Selanik in 1902.

   In 1841 the island had been granted to Muhammad 'Ali Pasha, the Vali of
   Egypte and his successors as a tributary possession.
   For a time the Egyptians ruled it very independently, but in 1908 direct
   Osmanli rule was restored and in 1910 the island was made a Kaza of the
   Sandjak of Dráma, the Egyptian rulers now only receiving its revenues. 

(2) Included in the Sandjak of Selanik was the tributary and autonomous

   Monastic Republic of the Áyion Óros (Holy Mountain = Mount Athos,
   T.: Aynazoz)

No objection in principle but that is a whole Sandjak with a wide geographical reach, and this article is about Thessaloniki, it would make it spiral way out of its boundaries and its scope. It seems inevitable that people will want to add or remove, or apply similar criteria to other article of towns and cities. Politis 23:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC) Politis 23:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OSMANLI CHIEF ADMINISTRATORS

Vali

1868 - 1871 Sabri Pasha 1871 - 1872 Ismail Pasha 1872 - 1873 Ömer Fevzi Pasha 1873 - 1874 Mehmed Akif Pasha (3x) 1875 Reuf Pasha 1875 Midhat Pasha 1875 - 1876 Esref Pasha 1877 Abdi Pasha 1877 Ahmed Rasim Pasha 1878 - 1879 Halil Rifat Pasha 1879 - 1892 .... 1893 - 189. Zihni Pasha 1895 Hasan Fehmi Pasha 1896 - 1898 Hüseyin Riza Pasha 1899 - 1900 Haci Hasan Refik Pasha 1901 Tevfig Bey 1902 - 190. Hasan Fehmi Pasha (2x) 1904 - 1907 Ra'uf Pasha 1908 Danis Bey 1909 - 1911 Ibrahim Bey 1912 - 1912 Nazim Pasha

[edit] Re-organization of the Photos

I think that the photos need to be arranged in a better way throughout the article. Two photos (on the right or left side) for each section would be good, I think. I will try to apply some changes. Please, feel free to discuss or make the relevant changes you think that should be done. JFKennedy 11:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

We now have two image galleries in the article. Jkelly 22:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign Consulates & Sports Clubs

Do we really need these lists in the article? The Consulates list would be appropriate for Wikitravel but not an encyclopedia article. The sports clubs list must be shortened (only the major teams) and have a paragraph about sports in general. If nobody objects I'll remove them tomorrow. geraki 12:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Leave them in there. The consulates give the city a sense of status or importance. Now for the sports teams, I don't really know what could be taken out. The teams from Thessaloniki must stay. As for the other teams, I guess there proximity to Thessaloniki should determine whether they should be in the article or not. El Greco 13:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)