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Contents 1 Tract 90 2 Merge proposal 3 WikiProject Anglicanism 4 Summaries 5 Inspiration 6 Sources 6.1 More sources please 6.2 Citation style? 7 Subscription

[edit] Tract 90

Reduced the little screed about "Tract 90" to a reference that's sort of encyclopedic; removed the numerous links and the insults. Probably one could use the data to construct a link to its text. But I don't see why I should do this hostile fellow's work for him. Dandrake 02:02, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I do not think that there is a compelling reason to have Forty-Two Articles as a separate entry. Surey, a section in this article would be sufficient to explain the evolution. Thoughts? Fishhead64 18:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree: it's not worth a whole article, so long as it can be found by searching Wikipedia. Myopic Bookworm 14:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Agree: Even better, merge the articles and redirct Forty-Two Articles to Thirty-Nine Articles. --Wine Guy 21:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. Two different documents, two different articles, IMO. Unless I misunderstand. Carolynparrishfan 14:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment My rationale is that the Thirty-Nine Articles evolved from the Forty-Two. It would be nice to have one article cover the document and its development. "Forty-Two Articles" could then be a redirect here. Fishhead64 16:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Agree It looks like Forty-Two Articles is likely to remain stubby for some time, and a few lines about its development belong here, even when in the future there is a full article about the Forty-Two. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Weak DisagreeWhile I agree that a few lines about the 42 are always going to be neccessary for a history section in an article about the 39, substantial and notable differences exist between the two versions. Discussing the forty-two in a separate artcle seems worthwhile goal.

Oops! Forgot to sign: my apologies. Mgriffin 18:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Anglicanism

A new WikiProject focussing on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion has just been initiated: WikiProject Anglicanism. Our goal is to improve and expand Anglican-reltaed articles. If anyone (Anglican or non-Anglican) is interested, read over the project page and consider signing up. Cheers! Fishhead64 06:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summaries

I have added brief summaries for those articles whose title is not entirely self-explanatory, with the exception of Artcle XVI (Of Predestination and Election), as I'm not confident that I understand what it is or is not affirming. Myopic Bookworm 13:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Very cool summaries, Myopic Bookworm, thanks. If you can also back up your summaries with a reference, (so that people don't think it is your original research) then I would suggest it would be time to remove the stub template. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "original research" means in this context. My source for the information is the Book of Common Prayer. Writing an encyclopedia article of any kind is a matter of presenting information in summary form. If I were summarizing scholarly opinion on the Thirty Nine Articles, then I would give references. But I'm not: I have written these summaries myself (so they violate no copyright), they are verifiable (by referring to the original Articles), and though the text is plainly "original" since I originated it, I do not regard it as "research". I think a summary is useful, because some of the Articles are rather long, and use rather opaque contemporary religious terminology. Myopic Bookworm 13:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that your summaries are both verifiable and useful. But, I think there is problem with a Wikipedia editor summarizing in this case. The problem is that you are not summarising a suitable source, but instead summarising the primary source. To me , it feels similar to telling us how many stones are at Stonehenge by counting them in a photograph, rather than citing a good history book - it could invite dispute when there is no need for one. I really like your summaries, but that is my POV, so if we point to one or two sources that back up your summaries, that will make the article all the stronger. I am definitely not suggesting either deleting your summaries, nor plagiarizing someone else's summary - merely checking that respected authorities would summarize the articles in a broadly similar manner. Anyway, I won't labour the point. If and when I have non-Calvinist sources in my hands, I will reference them in the article. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inspiration

I have just scanned today's featured article: Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I think it is a great model for what Thirty-Nine Articles could ultimately look like in overall shape and style. I think it would be anachronistic to have a section called Enforcement here, so lets not follow it slavishly, but use it for inspiration. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

[edit] More sources please

I am interested in this topic and would like to see more content. However I am personally hampered here and at Anglican doctrine by my lack of expertise, and a lack of a balanced list of sources. Has anyone noticed that a Google search produces a preponderance of conservative articles? Tract 90 is not the only paper with a non-Calvinist view of the Thirty-Nine Articles. I am making a personal plea: please suggest more sources here, or right in the article itself. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation style?

We only have one citation so far (apart from the document text itself) and this is in the form of an embedded HTML link. Personally I would prefer either a Harvard style or a footnote style, as I suspect most references will not be web links. Style guide is at Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citation styles. Do you think we should change from HTML links to Harvard, HTML link to footnotes, or stick with HTML links? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subscription

Another area I think we need to improve is the historic requirement of subscription to the articles especially for office with government, and to take a degree from the Oxbridge systems. Mgriffin 02:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)