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I suspect that Emacs first used the ~ suffix when creating backup files and the GNU fileutils shell commands followed this usage. --Kop 18:55, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Tilda
Realizing today that I have spelled Tilde incorrectly for quite some time, I wonder if this page could use a statement on it, or if the redirect I created will be enough.
- Dunno, maybe as an aside you could mention that tilde is not a very phonetic spelling when talking about, for example, the etimology of the word and wherever it may originally come from. --69.212.103.184 02:26, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I noticed that Tilda redirects here. Shouldn't it go to Tilda_(software)? Sasabune 11:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other wavy characters
There's a part in the article that bugs me - it states that the usage of tilde to show interval (e.g. 7~11) is a "Japanese and other Asian Languages" thing. However I think it would be more likely that there are some Asian countries that don't do this, some non-Asian countries that do this, and/or some countries that have more than one way of indicating a numerical interval. Anyone care to comment on this usage phenomenon? (Funny how this interval usage isn't mentioned in the Japanese version of Wikipedia as of now, nor in 大辞林辞典 at dictionary.goo.ne.jp either.) --69.212.103.184 02:26, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Update: it seems like the Japanese usage of the wavy line to indicate interval is actually called a "wave dash" instead of tilde. There's also a common comfusion with a wavy overline character that appears in Shift-JIS in place of the ASCII tilde character. Maybe the interval usage isn't a tilde but a character that only happens to look like a tilde. Maybe a subsection called "characters that look like the tilde" could be made. --69.212.103.184 02:39, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- In English, there's the "swung dash", too. There difference between the swung dash, tilde, and tilde operator aren't really obvious, either. Personally, tildes are things that go over Ns, and anything else is probably derived from the swung dash. I think we'll need some typographer if we want to know the difference, though. Elektron 18:07, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)
The names list is far, far too concise. The wave dash looks rather like a tilde. The wavy dash is extended a bit and looks like a W. The wavy line is the vertical form, and looks vaguely like a 3. But apparently, the wave dash is changing to the fullwidth tilde (why don't they just call them equal?).
301C WAVE DASH
@+ * This character was encoded to match JIS C 6226-1978 1-33 "wave dash". Subsequent revisions of the
JIS standard and industry practice have settled on JIS 1-33 as being the fullwidth tilde character.
x (wavy dash - 3030)
x (fullwidth tilde - FF5E)
3030 WAVY DASH
x (wavy line - 2307)
x (wave dash - 301C)
2307 WAVY LINE
x (wavy dash - 3030)
Elektron 18:20, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)
Spanish speakers use the word tilde to refer not to the squiggle at the top of (Ñ), but rather to the short stroke above a vowel that in English is called an "accent". A tilde diacrítico, or "diacritic tilde", is an accent whose function is to semantically distinguish two distinct words whose spellings and often pronunciations are the same. For example, in Spanish, "el" is the masculine definite article ("el tecolote" = the owl (Mexico)), but "él" is the masculine personal pronoun ("Él no tiene dientes" = He has no teeth).
I'd like to hear from a linguist on how "tilde" came to be associated with "swung dash" in English, but "accent" in Spanish. Also, I'd like to know how Spanish distinguishes between "tilde" and "acento"--is the first the mark, and the second its effect? Or what?
[edit] Pronunc
I have a problem with this: 'pronounced "TILL-duh" (IPA /'tɪldə/) or "TILL-day".' The IPA transcription clearly shows a schwa on the end of the word. That would indicate that it's pronounced 'TILL-duh', like the name 'Tilda'. What's more, MSN's Encarta dictionary has the 'TILL-duh' pron.
[edit] Swung dash problem
Under Firefox on Mandriva Linux 2005LE, Monobook skin with default font, it shows just as a box. ~~ N (t/c) 23:13, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- That would be a problem with your system not having an appropriate font with that character in it. IceKarmaॐ 23:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Tilde in Portuguese
The entry claimed that Port. "ão" was pronounced as "ow" in [English] "cow". This is not the case, at least in standard Portuguese (both European and Brazilian). The "ow" in "cow" is more like a Portuguese "au", which it isn't even a nasal diphthong. Even if we disregard nasalization, the vowel in "cow" is an "á", not an "â", as it should be. 16 Nov. 2005.
I've deleted the following:
'The diphtongs "ãe", "ão" and "õe" are completely nasal - "ão" is pronounced like the english word own.' I'm not sure what the phrase 'completely nasal' means, and it seems superfluous, in any case. This article is not about the phonology of Portuguese. It's about the use of a particular diacritic.
The second statement, that '"ão" is pronounced like the english word own', is only (approximately) true if one disregards nasalization, which is the whole point of the tilde in Portuguese, and the fact that there is no n sound at the end of Portuguese ão. It can mislead foreigners learning Portuguese into thinking that 'ão' is pronounced just like 'own', which is not true. 22 Dec. 2005.
[edit] Pattern match operator
The entry mentions that perl uses the operator =~ and !~ for pattern matching. I'd like to note that awk uses ~ and !~ for the same purpose, so I guess that's where the perl syntax originates from. – B jonas 20:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Spanish keyboard
A rather complete explanation on how to get a tilde in Spanish keyboards can be found at es:Wikipedia:FAQ#¿Y cómo hago para escribir la tilde en el teclado? No la veo por ningún lado.... --cesarb 21:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Google and tilde
The entry about Google needs clarification. I cannot get it to work, e.g., searching with ~horse does not work. - fnielsen 11:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Use on Wikipedia
Should there be something here about the uses of tilde on Wikipedia? I mean, to sign & datestamp comments and the like. I know there are guide pages for that kind of information, yet some people do find their way to this page seeking that information. And the page already discusses some fairly specific applications of the tilde. - JRtx 00:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Usually lengthened
What does "(usually lengthened to ⁓)" mean? I don't get it. --Grouse 07:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- I suspect there is a display bug with that symbol. On my screen, it shows up as a fat, vertical line (similar to a boldfaced l. Is that how it is supposed to look? It certainly looks nothing like a tilde. SpectrumDT 21:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Shows up as a larger tilde to me (similar to the one used in East Asian language encodings.) -Seventh Holy Scripture 21:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Internet usage of the tilduh
I always thought that a ~ at the end of a sentence meant it was sung, e.g. "Pick up the receiver, get indian tick fever~!" I suppose this can mesh with the two usages given (emphasis and extension of the syllable)... :/ Vitriol 12:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
It's also used when indicating sarcasm, for example, "I had relations with your mother last night." (Denoting an actual insult) versus "I had relations with your mother last night~" (denoting a sarcastic tone, jovial ribbing between friends, etc.)
It is also used as extension of a word, without adding an excessive amount of letters to it. For example, instead of, "Okayyyyyyyyy", you would write, "Okay~". That would probably tie in with the previous commment, as the use of sarcasm usually entails a longer pronunciation of the end of the word.
[edit] !
This symbol is cool and I never knew what it was called until now!! Now I'll use it to sogn!! [something I never knew b4 either!!] Realg187 18:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
