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I am familiar with both the usages of the word Tollywood, and yes it is derived from Tollygunj in the Bangla case. I was equally surprised when I saw the usage being applied to Bangla film industry. But then, does it matter? These terms are just snobbery anyway.

I have never heard of any "wood" derivation for refering to bengali film industry. And if at all such a derivative has to be invented I think "Bangawood" or "Kaliwood" (for Kolkata hollywood or Hollywood with blessings from mother Kali) would be more appropriate.

Doesn't Tollywood refer to the Bengali film industry- deriving from Tollygunge? KRS 12:58, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I just googled, and I found references to both. I'm going to add a line about it being bengali cinema too. Unfortunately I dont konw much about bengali cinema. Maybe someone else who known more can flesh it out?--Mishac 21:02, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 removed from article page 2 Split the article into two 3 Why this plagiarism 4 What is KollyWood Doing on TollyWood? 5 Tollywood is not smaller than Kollywood 6 Good thing 7 Article Cleanup 8 Requested move 8.1 Survey 8.2 Discussion 9 Expansion

[edit] removed from article page

--167.206.189.3 23:21, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC) I have never heard of any "wood" derivation for refering to bengali film industry. And if at all such a derivative has to be invented I think "caliwood" (for calcutta hollywood") or "Kaliwood" (for Kolkata hollywood or Hollywood with blessings from mother Kali) would be more appropriate. (Moved by FreplySpang (talk) 23:26, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC))

[edit] Split the article into two

Need to split the article into two. One for Andhra Pradesh, another for West Bengal. I am sure wikipidians with knowledge about Tollywood of West Bengal would do justice to their article too.

One question. If a hindi movie is made in Hyderabad, would it be TollyWood or Bollywood film? e.g. Meenakshi. I think those films should be part of TollyWood. Chirags 15:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

AFIK, Tollywood refers to telugu industry - also see talk above. It seems very few people call Bengali cine ma Tollywood. We can have a disambig link to Bengali Cinema at the top. I'll get around to it in a couple of days. --Gurubrahma 17:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why this plagiarism

Can't Telugu Cinema be "Telugu Cinema"? Is it necessary to ape Hollywood? This word is in the limited domain of few Netizens. Common man in AP does not refer it as Tolly.. In fact, a majority of them do not know the word at all. Bollywood, Tollywood, Collywood, Mollywood,... Sound silly, don't they? __Chaduvari 01:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

You cannot call it Tollywood because the Production Company and Crew are based out of Bombay. Just like Lord of the Rings is filmed in New Zealand, but is widely considered Hollywood. The Origin of the film is guided by the Production House/Company rather than the location of the film__Hessian

We can have them as re-directs, I'll make them asap. I'm not sure if the usage of Tollywood is sporadic. I have seen this word used regularly for the last 20-25 years; I first heard it after NTR's Vetagadu became a super hit; also, moving this to "Telugu Cinema" would entail lot of fixing of double re-directs. --Gurubrahma 05:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Basicallly nobody calls it Tollywood or funny things like that. The Telugu film industry is just that 'Telugu Film Industry'. There is no need to 'ollywood'ize every movie industry.

[edit] What is KollyWood Doing on TollyWood?

What is term Kollywood doing on main page of TollyWood?

Is it a cut/paste? Chirags 21:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I guess that the section can be removed under WP:NOR. Telugu actresses like Jayaprada were big in Bollywood and Telugu films like Premnagar were remade in Tamil and Hindi - recently, Okkadu was remade in Tamil as Gilli. So it is two ways. Even if this were to be mentioned, this section belongs only at the bottom of the article as an aside. Thanks for bringing it up, Chirags. --Gurubrahma 09:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I feel this article (Tollywood) is extreme attribute of the telugu cinema. In fact, heroism is the main cog in all the films made in telugu. The main theme of telugu cinema is a freak hero can destroy even a hundreds of thousands of henchmen single-handedly. Not to forget many of the dubbed film Viz, Anniyan, Chandramukhi, Gajini, Kadhal etc from tamil film had produced huge boxoffice hit in all over andrapradesh in last year alone.

Also, in this article none of the message is of bad face of Telugu cinema. The quality of an wikipedia relies on good and bad thing about the system under investigation. Saravan_p 7:30 4 march 2006

Telugu fans about cinema knowledge is frog-in-a-well

[edit] Tollywood is not smaller than Kollywood

Tollywood is smaller than Kollywood. Why is it so difficult to understand? Anwar saadat 11:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

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Tollywood would not survive if Tamil technicians come out from Hydrabed.

This argument could very easily be turned on its head. How about this - "Tamil technicians are in Hyderabad because Tollywood is bigger" ?

Its best not to delve into opinions. Facts are objective, opinions ("Tollywood would not survive if Tamil technicians come out from Hydrabed." or "Tamil technicians are in Hyderabad because Tollywood is bigger") are subjective. The only reliable 'facts' that are available is CBFC data. The discussion below will throw some much needed light on whether Kollywood or Tollywood is "bigger" and hence the #2 (as opposed to #3) in India.

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Kollywood is only number 3. CBFC has stats till end of 2003. Amitabh Bachan during his speech at Chiranjeevi's Padma Bhushan celebration (at Gachibowli stadium, Hyderabad) acknowledged Tollywood as producing more films than Bollywood. CBFC's latest data is likely to reflect this. Regardless, based on latest available CBFC data Kollywood is #3 and not #2.

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Please cite your source. Send the links to whatever article you got this piece of data from. Amitabh Bhachchan, btw, is no authority on Tamil or Telugu movies. I am not claiming that either is #2, just that your claim is empty. - Cribananda 07:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and btw, regarding the CBFC link you have provided, that is only for 2003. That doesn't make the Telugu film industry bigger. Secondly, the number of films released is only one measure of how 'big an industry is. How about the the total amount grossed? - Cribananda 07:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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1) Amitabh Bachan being who he is (actor & film production house) would know what he is talking about. The speech was aired on a couple of regional channels. So my claim is far from being empty. I cant be bothered looking for an article written by someone whos opinion you value, just to satisfy you. If youre interested, you may contact ETV/TV9/SUNTV. Alternatively, wait for CBFC to release 2004 & 2005 data (you seem willing to trust them).

2)Amount grossed isnt an objective indicator as regional variances in various taxes have been known to exist. More importantly, it is impossible to evaluate the exact impact 'black ticketing' has, on amount grossed. Non-'multiplex' theatres (which still form the majority) encourage black ticketing. (next time you go to a 'cheri' theatre maybe rupini/rahini/rohini in koyambedu for thalaivars padam in the first couple of weeks, or to saptagiri at rtc x roads for a megastar movie, ask the watchman if he has tickets. i can assure you he will). Considering entertainment tax paid, is the basis for arriving at amount grossed, surplus money on account of black ticketing will not be reflected in the amount grossed. if you can arrive at actuals, as opposed to guestimates, i will accept your view. till such time tollywood is bigger than kollywood.

tertiary issue : tollywood has the worlds largest film studio (ramoji film city) in terms of acerage). several 'kollywood' movies are shot there (thalaivars 'sivaji: the boss' was shot partially in r.f.c).

maybe a discuission on what 'kollywood' and 'tollywood' mean is required. if a movie is substantially made in a 'tollywood' studio would it still be a 'kollywood' movie ? is language the only determinant ? the actual number of films shot in either territories would ofcourse be hard/impossible to determine.

i suppose number of films isnt such a bad indicator of size after all :)

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First of all, this dick-size-comparison between 'Tollywood' and 'Kollywood' is not just stupid, but mindlessly irritating; it's a given that the Telugu and Tamil movie industries grew side-by-side in Kodambakkam. It is also a given that there are a huuuuuuuuuge number of cross-over movies from Kodambakkam to Jubilee Hills/ RFC; are Alaipayuthey and Sakhi two different movies? What abotu Yuva? And finally, language is no measure of anything; after all, Hindi and Telugu movies get shot in equal measures at RFC these days. Just as (the Secunderabad suburb of) Tirumalgherry is 90% Tamilian; so if a technician from that place goes to work at RFC, does it make him Kollywood-ian?

Bottomline is, the two industries are too interwined to make any meaningful comparisons possible, so you wankers should give this flame-war a rest and do something productive.

Meanwhile, I certainly have one major complaint to make. What's with this caste shit out here? Unless you cite an already published scientific study of caste leanings in the entire industry (which includes everyone, that is technicians, actors, etc), that particular comment about Kamma domination is POV and should be excised. - movieBuff

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hmm.. its a difficult task, separating the two industries. but they are different. so why pretend like they arent ? if tollywood and kollywood do infact exist (which they do) then we need to deal with them separately.

--- I totally agree that both tamil and telugu cinema have common origins and the production studios are mainly AVM et al. But currently, both of them have a life of their own, have their own identities.

Kollywood is smaller (even if only marginally) than Tollywood - this is fact, not opinion. In the absence of any other objective measures, number of movies is the only criterion by which to judge size. so i hope that settles that.

caste issues : given your familiarity with jubilee hills/rfc/secunderabad and other things 'golti' , unless you are an ostrich with your head in the sand, you would know by now that the telugu industry is dominated by kammas. how many 'reddy' stars do u know of ? sure, nitin reddy and vishal reddy (who is btw more reddiar than reddy i.e. imported from kollywood via sandakozhi) are the 2 candidates that come to mind. anyone else - nope. so the kamma domination thing is self evident and must stay. scientific smchientific my ass - walk into the a.p film producers association office and take a look at the names of all the producers. majority will be kamma.

[edit] Good thing

It is good that the section 'Ban on Kollywood films' has been removed.For the one who's written it does not take note of the fact that only 2 dubbed films from Tamil have run well in 2006.S.GaneshKumar 12:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Cleanup

Hi, Let us make this article more informative and good article. First of all, is there a style template for "World Cinema" articles? Second, we did not have information on history, milestones, award names etc.

Pov: Instead of claiming it is the best or the second, let us simply have "one of the biggest" until we have citations or dispute is resolved. Quality of the article is more important than fighting for that small fact now.

• Everybody wants to add their own favourite actors, so we should have some common policies about the people we want to mention on the first page. Some ideas I suggest are
  • Include all the people who got three national awards, PadmaSree, Padmabhushan and Pabmavibhushan. There are others in the tollywood other than N.T.R and Chiranjeevi.
  • We can not include all the personalities who get Nandi Awards and other film awards, as there are many people. So let us choose the personalties who won atleast 3 or 5 nandi awards.
  • We can have the award winners of the present year only and have the rest of them in the awards page.
  • Can include all the actors who had worked for atleast 10 years in industry.

There are also other people than actors, like singers, producers etc. We could also list major activities like introduction of awards, famous production houeses, move from madras, first scope, first color etc. technologies.

We could break down the tollywood into mookie, early talkies upto 50s, pre eastman upto 70s, 70s to 90s, 90s to present etc. and can have information about great personalities in the periods and breakthrough records and other technologies during that time. If we really want, we can have subarticles that also allows to add your favourite actors because of few hits for each period.

Thoughts? mlpkr 20:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC) ---

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Expansion

This article needs to be expanded. It has insufficient information on the actors and actresses involved. Maybe a section on upcoming movies can be put and periodically updated?