User talk:TriNotch

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1 Devine Direction Theory
2 Mississippian
3 Native American Prehistory
4 Archaeology and the Book of Mormon
5 Metallurgy
6 Native American cultures
7 Walum Olum/ Walam Olum
8 Jade/Greenstone
9 WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America Newsletter - July '06

[edit] Devine Direction Theory

TriNotch, thank you for your professionalism, I appreciate the suggestion.

[edit] Mississippian

Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia. Your contributions are welcome. In the future, instead of creating a whole separate article, it is good to add to existing articles. :) One can move articles if you feel the title is inappropriate. Right now Mississippian culture and Mississippian civilization probably should be merged into one article. -- Decumanus 04:50, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)

I added a number of links to the Mississippian culture article. I was going to link to mound until I noticed that it redirects to barrow and only discusses British types. We also have no articles on mound building, mound builder, mound building culture, mound building civiliation. Perhaps you could add to these areas. Rmhermen 04:55, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Native American Prehistory

Hi! I've been working on archaeological cultures, sites and artifacts in the American southwest for the past few months. I have plans to create a Prehistoric America structure or tree dealing with various cultural aspects. Big job. But, to start with, I've put a list of cultures in Native American pottery. If you have clay/pottery info from the southeast, it would be very welcome. Look forward to working with you. WBardwin 21:21, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I probably should have written back on this sooner, but I will definitely contribute as soon as I can. I took a look, and made a couple of very minor edits in some areas, but it does look like more is needed. I'll get back to it when I get a chance. TriNotch 01:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Archaeology and the Book of Mormon

Thanks for being respectful. I've responded to your note at Archaeology and the Book of Mormon. Let me know if you are interested in the Cahokia pics. May take a while to dig them up and scan them in... -Visorstuff 20:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Respectful archaeology is what I'm all about. I'm definitely interested in the Cahokia pics, but take your time. I'm glad my edits could help. TriNotch 01:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Metallurgy

Thanks for following up on Hopewell culture. I wanted to remove the reference to metallurgy altogether but couldn't spare the research (I have an exam on Eastern North American archaeology in 20 minutes :) silsor 16:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Which I did well in ... silsor 20:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Funny, I just took a similar exam this afternoon. I also did well. TriNotch 21:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Native American cultures

I recently started a list article (List of archaeological cultures in North America) but I can't say I am satisfied with the organization of the list. I am less worried about the incompleteness as I mostly just linked to pre-existing Wikipedia articles. Any ideas on how to do this better? Any major things missing? Rmhermen 16:12, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

You recently changed the dates of early Woodland and middle Woodland in this article. I reverted these changes to keep it in line with the Woodland period article. Possibly that article is incorrect? Rmhermen 22:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it is both right and wrong. The 0 AD or 300 BC limit is purely arbitrary, and depends on the adoption of particular traits in particular areas. Most researchers generalize the time periods as 1000-0, 0-500, and 500-1000 for convenience- but the Woodland period article correctly identifies the Middle Woodland Hopewell culture as starting before that, so... Its a grey area. I prefer 0 AD for general description and specific centuries for particular cultures, like the Hopewell or Swift Creek (200 BC and 100 AD respectively). I may go change the dates in both articles again. TriNotch 22:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi TriNotch,

Thanks for the welcome (you posted on my userpage).

I just discovered that somebody has been messing with the Lenape page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenape). I'm not sure how to go about fixing it or I would do it myself. Also not sure this is the best way to send you a message, as I'm a Wikipedia newbie and unsure about the various rules of ettiquette, etc.

Thanks, Doppelbock 16:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

TriNotch, thanks for the feedback you posted on my user page -- glad to see I wasn't violating etiquette ;-). I am really just a layman who is interested in the Adena, Hopewell and their descendants; I don't really have much to contribute here. I live in Ohio, just a few miles from the Miamisburg mound, and have become fascinated with pre-Columbus Native American cultures. Really I'm just surfing around here trying to find if anybody knows who the descendants of the Hopewell are. I'm starting to think that it's all so mixed up, what with intermarraiges and taking of captives and whatnot, that probably everybody is related to everybody else!

Thanks, Doppelbock 11:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the info, especially the books you suggested! If you don't mind answering just one more dumb question, since I gather you are very knowledgable regarding Cahokia -- I have come across two different versions of how the Lenape originally migrated to the Delaware River area. One version (I believe the Lenape's own tribal history) has it that the Lenape migrated from the west, encountered the "Allegewi" at Cahokia, defeated them with the help of the Iroquois, then journeyed on eastward. (I recall one source saying this happened around 1300 A.D.) Another version has it that the Lenape actually came not from the west, but from north of Lake Superior, and encountered the "Allegewi" at the Detroit River. This latter version seems to be more commonly accepted. Do you have any insight into this? Thanks for all the help! Doppelbock 18:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad my dumb question prompted something useful! Here is one link that might prove helpful (though I'm not sure what the pedigree of this information is): http://www.daytonhistorybooks.citymax.com/page/page/2651180.htm. I really haven't been able to find anything recent and authoritative on this subject. I'd also be interested to know if you have any insight into who the Allegewi/Tallegewi might have been. (Some references indicate they may have been predecessors to the Cherokee.) Thanks! Doppelbock 12:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Walum Olum/ Walam Olum

You mentioned "textual evidence" that the Walam Olum was a hoax, but I am not sure what the evidence was. Moreover, this debunking appears to be relatively new and carried on by a few authors. Shouldn't we take said debunking with a grain of salt? — Rickyrab | Talk 04:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jade/Greenstone

Hi TriNotch; thanks for the props! Saw your bit on greenstone:

New Zealand greenstone, which is geologically jade, and other greenstone, which is distinctly not jade. There is also no section on Native American greenstone use.

and did a double-take, as jade/greenstone plays a big role in BC history and also to some degree (though not as much as you'd expect) in native cultures here; world's largest deposit of nephrite and all that. Not sure what sources I can dig up for you on NW Coast/Plateau jade use but I'll try; it had a famous role in the gold rushes of '58-'66 as the Chinese crated up "black rocks" and shipped them to China without explanation; apparently a lot of the jade carvings you might be on import from China are made from BC jade, either bought/exported during the last hundred and fifty odd years, or possibly traded tribe-to-tribe into China over the centuries (no one's sure). Anyway, I'm not sure jade was ever of much utility around here because of the presence of more useful stones (argillite, obsidian - nephrite shatters easily, as you may know, unlike jadeite as used in Mexican technology).Skookum1 16:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America Newsletter - July '06

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