Talk:UEFA Intertoto Cup
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[edit] Results Tables / Use of Flags
I have never seen such a intransparent, meaningless application of tables to document soccer tables. Tables are supposed to make things graspable at a glance.
On a philosophical note: isn't the use of flags overdone on football pages? All this nationalism is getting to me. Overkill is definitely the use of regional flags on the entries for national teams, eg., "»Put your country here« national football team". What a waste of download time to boot.
Somebody put a halt to it, please!
Oalexander-En 03:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- Nationality is an essential part of european cups and teams, even Sports in general. period. (maybe not in the US only sports) Oh, and the strange table must have been a result of copying it from other football pages, ... but indeed wasn't very usefull for the intertoto with 3 finals --LimoWreck 13:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Country missing in list
Isn't Portugal missing in the countries list? Leiria was a winner in 2004.
- According to the table Leiria was not winner but it was a runner-up. Changes made :) Bruno18 01:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Club listing
The Winners by nation table shows which clubs have won this cup. Should the teams be organized alphabetically or is there another scheme that is more appropriate? Rballou 20:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- The table gives priority to teams that finished in second place rather that alphabetical order. For example Netherlands, Poland, East Germany and Denmark have all won one cup but the Netherlands and Poland have two teams that were runners-up so they sit on top of E.Germany and Denmark. Bruno18 23:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I should have clarified a bit: I was referring mostly to the "Winning clubs" column of the table. Currently France is listed as: "Strasbourg, Bordeaux, Guingamp, Bastia,..." and I was wondering if that list should be alphabetical. Rballou 14:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. In that case, yes, it should be ordered alphabetically unless there is a certain order that we are not aware of. Bruno18 14:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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- There is no "set" order, so alphabetical is probably the way to go. - Pal 14:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have alphabetized the list. The German clubs includes prefixes like "FC" which I went ahead and treated as part of the name, although I am not sure if this is the proper way to handle that. Rballou 14:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Table for 2006 and beyond
I split the 2006 results from the 2005 and earlier table for several reasons. First, there are no longer winners or runners-up, just UEFA Cup qualifiers. Second, listing 11 rows of teams and their opponents would needlessly take up a lot of space. We should be able to fit the 11 qualifiers into the new table which should be a lot cleaner. - Pal 04:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- Just as a result of a recent edit by Kingjeff, I thought I'd post a source from UEFA that shows that the finals have been eliminated, meaning there are no "winners" and "runners-up". - Pal 01:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
The article still says there are 11 winners from the Intertoto Cup. The difference is where the winners goes into the UEFA Cup.Kingjeff 01:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Your logic says this was always the case. Kingjeff 01:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, I've edited it to indicate that their are winners, but they are winners of the Third Round, not of the cup itself. There are no official runners-up. - Pal 02:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Taken from the UEFA site: "The eleven victorious teams from the Intertoto Cup third round will go through to the second qualifying round of the UEFA Cup." These are not finalists. They don't win the Intertoto Cup like the three teams from last season. They win the third round and qualify for the UEFA Cup. It is inaccurate to equate third round winners from this season with the final winners from seasons past, as your edit does. - Pal 14:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
How about for UEFA Champions League we call Barcelona the 5th round winner? How about for the world cup, we call Italy the 5th round winner? How about we call the UEFA Cup winner the 7th round winner? See how dumb it's called. Anyways UEFA says it's Winners from the 3rd round. Not 3rd round winners. Kingjeff 14:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm using the proper title according to UEFA. The final round is called the "Third Round", just as the final round of the CL is called the "Final". Your edit is not factual because it implies the winners of the third round are winners of the Intertoto Cup, when in fact there are no longer Intertoto Cup champions.
- Additionally, your accusation of vandalism is inaccurate and unhelpful, and goes Wikipedia's Assume good faith policy. - Pal 14:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Who said I assumed bad faith? Why not call the Champions League winner the final winner then? Kingjeff 14:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- Because the CL final winner is the CL winner. The Intertoto 3rd Round winners are not the Intertoto Cup winners. That title no longer exists. - Pal 17:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
the intertoto cup trophy for 2006 is to be handed to newcastle united as they have went further in the uefa cup competion then any other team who qualified from the intertoto cup the only team from that competiton to qualify from the group stages of the uefa cup. im not sure if they will be given the title intertoto cup champions. I havent edited the information in the article as im not sure if it should be included in the article or not. so i will leave that decision up to other people.
- Personally, I don't think that the eleven seperate teams should be included as "winners", as it is categorically stated that Newcastle are the winners of the 2006 Intertoto Cup. Perhaps some way could be found of seperating the actual winner from the other qualifiers, beyond merely bolding the winner's name? Hammersfan, 005/01/07, 12.20 GMT
- A new column in the 'winners by country table' with figures for 'overall winner' might be the solution.
