Talk:Vaporizer

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This is all wrong. --86.1.185.0

This page should probably become a disambig, since there are lots of other types of vaporisers not currently being dealt with. I've added a dablink to the anaesthetic one, but there are also the steam thingies used for treating cold symptoms, essential oil heaters for adding aroma to a room, and for that matter humidifiers. In that context a quick distinction from atomizer might also clarify a point for some people.

I'm not sure what unambiguous term we can use to refer to the device class the page currently deals with, though, since they seem to be universally referred to and sold simply as "vaporisers" regardless of design. Alternately the page might be expanded to encompass the other definitions (which are in some ways related), but I suspect that would get messy - it has a nice focus now, though it certainly needs both more detail and improvements to style and encyclopedicity. - toh 20:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

This is why links to commercial examples of different types of vaporizers is useful as PRACTICAL information. Most readers don't know the difference between a convection and conduction and steam vaporizer but with an explanation it grows clearer...with links to actual commercial examples with pictures it becomes crystal clear: effective ENCYLOPEDICITY. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.5.11.127 (talk) 00:51 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 External Links? 2 Language problems 3 Browns? 4 semi-protect article from anonymous contributors?

[edit] External Links?

Why shouldn't this page have an external links section? If there is a valid reason according to Wikipedia standards then that's fine, but otherwise it seems that an external links section, excluding links to vaporizer sellers, would be useful. Wowbobwow12 20:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that the external links I've seen thus far (to hugegrins and myvapor) point to vaporizer sales sites. There's no reason why either of those sites should be linked, given they don't provide any more information than was in the article. It seems that such links aren't in line with the WP external links policy, so I've pulled both of them accordingly. Nortelrye 07:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Links to OEM vaporizer manufacturers that are there for the purpose of PRACTICAL information to further define different types and configurations of vaporizers is very much in line with Wikipedia's external links policy....as long as the wording isn't slanted towards one brand or another within such framework these links are fine! Leave them alone so that readers can get more information regarding for instance what exactly a "direct lung delivery" vaporizer looks like without having to go to a commercial vaporizer page and sift through all the links and try to figure out which is which. Clarity is the concept here folks....having some commercial links for reference purposes achieves greater clarity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.5.11.127 (talk) 00:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and replaced the link which Nortelrye deleted on the grounds that the site is a commercial site. This site does not endorse any brand or type of vaporizer, it simply provides an overview of the varieties available along with reviews of the various types. Wowbobwow12 01:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Any links should be to OEM vaporizer manufacturer sites only...not commercial sites that sell a bunch of brands of vaporizers under the auspices of being a "vaporizer review" which is simply a marketing ploy for web traffic. Some OEM vaporizer manufacturers do have reviews or comparisons on their sites so this should be acceptable, but the distinction is that they only sell the vaporizers they make which tend to be of one type or another with only a couple of exceptions whereas one manufacturer makes multiple vaporizers with different configurations.

[edit] Language problems

The article uses terms like "innovative", "starting at as low as", "highly acclaimed", and "by far superior" which makes it read like an advertisement at times. IMO the language should try to avoid that and stay as objective as possible, and be rewritten to avoid connotations even when the usage is justified.

Anyway, I haven't mastered the Wikipedia policies and integrated them into a framework with which to write good articles so I won't do the edit. If someone has too much time on his hands then maybe consider it, eh? 11:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

This is reasonable but PRACTICAL examples that are going to be COMMERCIALLY available does not necessarily mean SPAM! having a link to check a picture or get more information elsewhere regarding something discussed in generic terms is PRACTICAL if worded correctly...does not necessarily mean it is SPAM. The links should stay to serve their purpose and whoever keeps erasing them and erasing the discussion that clearly states the reason for their inclusion needs to get a life...if you want to fight SPAM find a way to keep it out of my inbox! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.5.11.127 (talk) 01:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for discussing your proposed changes on this talk page. Please review Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. If you think that any of the commercial links that you have been attempting to add should be included in the article despite the guideline, please make the case here on this talk page before adding the link back to the article. Please be very specific about why each particular link should be included.

Also please note that your edits over the past few days have removed content from the article, including alteration of a direct quote from a cited source. If there is content that you think should be removed, please discuss the proposed changes here first.

Regarding the material you are attempting to add, please review WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV, as well as Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms.

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Thanks, Chondrite 08:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the informative links Chondrite....the funny thing is that I see the page called a vaporizer info page under external links is actually a site that "reviews" all the vaporizers they sell and is really a sales site; whereas now all the OEM manufacturer's sites I suggested be provided as links within the context of descriptions of the various types of vaporizers as relevent are gone as is the page that was made seperate listing commercial vaporizer links....but the Volcano Vaporizer page....a commercial vaporizer that somehow has gotten it's own Wikipedia page remains....hmmm....is there more than one standard here? Please advise....I won't make any changes until I am advised by your expertise.

[edit] Browns?

Hey I was just wondering what the Cleveland Browns have to do with weed? When you click Browns at the bottom in the External Links it sends you to the football team. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.58.224.236 (talk) 14:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

"Browns" needs to be redirected to it's own page, not linked to the Clevland Browns. Browns are the result of vaporizing, (what is left after vaporizing). Browns may be collected and re-vaped or the THC may be extracted from the Browns using an ethanol extraction.

[edit] semi-protect article from anonymous contributors?

More than other articles I've worked at, this one seems particularly liable to anonymous contributions from commercial providers or others with dubious motives. More often than not, I find anonymous contributions detracting from the article rather than improving it. Do any other regular editors support a proposal to have this article blocked from anonymous editing?

Jens Nielsen 14:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to support it - the page has become a mess, and appears to be declining in quality rather than improving. At the moment it's in need of considerable "devulcanism" just for starters. - toh 18:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)