User talk:VirtualSteve/Archive 2

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Contents 1 Signature 2 2 No worries 3 Shire Nav Boxes 4 Riverina 5 Somerset Maugham 6 Images - Riverina 7 Eurongilly 8 Mitta Mitta 9 Thanks 10 Speedy delete 11 Moving pages 12 riverina map 13 Riverina Photos 14 Double up 15 Riverina 16 Ganmain 17 Uranquinty 18 Photos to commons 19 One Tree Hotel 20 Berrigan Shire Image 21 Riverina towns progress list 21.1 Finalisation of entries to Riverina Template 22 Kapooka 23 Riverina images 24 Riverina template 25 Image purging 26 {{Sunraysia}} 27 Barnstar 28 {{Riverina}} 29 Riverina tags 30 Re: Commons upload request

[edit] Signature 2

Per User talk:VirtualSteve/Archive 3#Sig, please read WP:SIG#Important considerations, and update your signature accordingly. (It explains in detail what and why) Much thanks :) --Quiddity 05:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you so much for your guidance Admin Quiddity VirtualSteve 23:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No worries

Great pic of the place and a valuable addition to the article. Was at dinner so didn't see your message but I see Scharks was able to address it - with the template we have a default size of 250 so you only need to enter the name of the image, and if 250 is not suitable, put in a separate (undocumented line) "|imagesize =" with the number of pixels (without the px at the end).

Was reading your archive too - glad to see we have the same opinion on (not) date linking! :) I think there is a class of Wiki editors who believe one must whack square brackets around anything. Some of the Melbourne council pages have every councillor marked as such even though most are not and will never be notable. Orderinchaos78 09:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for compliment on pic. Hope you like Pulpit Rock also? Ditto on date linking (and other useless red-linking). VirtualSteve 09:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to go over and see some of these places! (I'm in Perth - which has its own charms) - I have got those two articles happening for you userbox-wise. Orderinchaos78 09:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• Cheers and thank you! VirtualSteve 12:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Also got Mangoplah done. Filled out the stub a bit - couldn't find much though! (It's probably like many small places here where you'd need to be closer to the area to get access to reading materials that would be of use) Orderinchaos78 01:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• That's great work. Yes it was a particulary sparse stub - I have some more material on the place and will add it and pictures I have taken very soon. VirtualSteve 08:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shire Nav Boxes

Hi, VirtualSteve. Real life got in the way on the weekend, so I only just got your message. If I get some time today I will look at Mangoplah. I havent created box for Wagga City yet. A list of towns and suburbs would be useful if you have one.--Mattinbgn 20:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

You have Pleasant Hills in Greater Hume Shire, but the Lockhart Shire Council article and webpage has it in Lockhart Shire. I have made the changes to the article and hope it is correct!--Mattinbgn 21:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• Ah - sorry my mistake on Pleasant Hills - thanks for the fix. I don't have a list to hand on Wagga Wagga but will have a look later today or tomorrow and get it to you. Cheers! VirtualSteve 21:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina

The template is at Template:Riverina. I don't know many of the places included and found the names by doing a trawl through the LG articles. Add and subtract as you see fit. Good luck!--Mattinbgn 06:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

A further note: I would (personally) tend to be inclusive rather than exclusive with the nav box. If it is on the boundary of the the riverina, or a ghost town or a locality that merits an article I would add it.--Mattinbgn 06:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• Cool I agree with your opinion on the inclusive concept - Will add as appropriate but just so you know my point of reference in terms of inclusion will always be where the legend on an Australian Map shows a small circle with name of town/village detail (°) which represents a City or Major Town (within the area ie: Riverina) and not small square (•) which represents a Homestead. VirtualSteve 07:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Somerset Maugham

Thanks for your note, Steve. I will look at it when I get a chance. Been busy...Cheers Cribananda 16:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images - Riverina

Good work with the photos and cleaning up the redlinks on the Riverina template. It may be worth using some of the photos in the Riverina article itself. Perhaps some pictures of farms, towns, rivers etc. I am going to add some, add more if you feel they are appropriate.--Mattinbgn 23:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you. Appreciate you using some of my images. I have a mumber of new ones that I took this weekend which I will try and upload over the next week. VirtualSteve 00:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eurongilly

Hi VirtualSteve, the way you are going with the redlinks on the Riverina template, they should be cleaned up in no time. The photos from these small towns are great too. I just noticed that on the Eurongilly, New South Wales article, you mention 4 locals died in the Vietnam War. I did a search on the Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour and couldn't find any of them listed. It may be that the honour roll there is designed to honour all that served, rather than those who died. I suspect the same may be true of the World War II figures. If this is so the article will need to be edited. Thanks

Work is a little busy at the moment so I am going a little slower on the Riverina articles than I would like but hope to be back into it and getting some photos from the small communities in the southern Riverina after the Aust. Day weekend.--Mattinbgn 20:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mitta Mitta

My bad - thank you for picking up.--Golden Wattle ^talk 00:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• On the other hand you haven't learnt anything in a year about assuming good faith - please try not to refer to people's edits as vandalism in your edit summaries unless obviously deliberate. Since I did indeed reference the comment, it was easy enough to pick up. --Golden Wattle ^talk 00:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• As you say reference was easy to pick up - hence my comment that it was either vandalism or an error. I do assume good faith for all editors - initially - but expect better consideration from administrators who should read even more carefully before they save page and gain the edit count - unless of course you disagree - and then I have no doubt that you are right.VirtualSteve 01:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't count my edits, I regard such things as pretty meaningless. I once again regard your agressive edits as personal attacks. Including your, apropos of no previous edits on that article, removal of my image from Comet McNaught page.--Golden Wattle ^talk 01:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Huh? Wow - great U-turn across double white lines. I picked you up on an important error that you definitely made and you turn around and bite me about my removal of a lesser quality no more informative image on the Comet McNaught article - which is on today's main page and which includes the reference underneath the gallery ...-- Please do not add more pictures simply for the sake of having more pictures. Consider whether they will add value to the gallery already in place. If in doubt please discuss individual cases first on the "discussion" tab at the top of this article. -- How is that an aggressive edit Golden Whistle? Anyway I note that you have restored the picture with the helpful NPOV comment that it is two days later and tail fanned out significantly more than earlier pics, adequate quality . If you look at my range of edits you will see that I often look up at random or from the main page articles that are posted. ..... I am not in an edit war with you - and as I predicted in my post to your talkpage - I expected a penalty of some sort. Penalty received, my bottom sufficiently red and sore Now do you mind going away and leaving me alone?VirtualSteve 01:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I apologised for the error - but then discovered an accusation of vandalism in your edit summary - ie I had assumed good faith (and of course I had indeed made an error and a bad error) even though I had previously discovered the Comet McNaught rather random edit which was perhaps in retaliation for daring to venture on to the Henty page - seemed a coincidence to good to be true. Note as I said that the images page had previously been culled and the tag added after nmy pic added, which I do believe shows more of a tail fan than pics taken several days before - the increasing size of the tail is encyclopaedic. My edit summary did not claim to be neutral but did not attack anybody and did explain my actions - I did not for example say "revert entry by an editor who has previously attacked me and appears to be doing so again" - it crossed my mind though.--Golden Wattle ^talk 01:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Not sure how many times I can say this to you. You are an administrator - I am a lowly editor. You are clearly right in all aspects and for every comment. I have learned this is Wiki-law #1. Not sure why you are referring to Henty? Did you make an error on that page also? I will go and look now. And certainly not sure why you are saying I have attacked you before do I even know you? Anyway, once again, you are perfectly right Ms Wattle - thank you for your assistance - I will try not to Be Bold in relation to your edits again.VirtualSteve 01:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• • PS Except for the other teeny tiny change I am going to make your latest edit on Mitta Mitta.VirtualSteve 01:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the warm welcome VirtualSteve! :) --Candy-Panda 10:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy delete

I can't claim credit. Speedy deletion results in categorisation into Category:Candidates for speedy deletion which various admins action.

I think your nomination for deletion and advice to the editor who created the page were correct though.--Golden Wattle ^talk 20:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks Golden Wattle - I appreciate that information and comment. We now have the first stub page up within Riverina. VirtualSteve 20:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving pages

Hi VirtualSteve, please don't copy and paste articles from one page to another as you did with Gogelderie, New South Wales and Gogeldrie, New South Wales as this means that the editing history of the page is lost, which needs to be kept as part of the licence the site uses. Instead, please use the move page function which will move the article as well as the history of the page, and places a redirect to the new title at the old. An administrator has deleted the new page and moved the old to the new title. Thanks and happy editing, mattbr³⁰ 11:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• Re: Gogeldrie ... Thanks Mattbr30 and NoSeptember. My intentions were honorable as I was just attempting to redirect because of the misspelling of Gogeldrie and thought that that was the right procedure and that I had read the process correctly at Wikipedia:Redirect. Obviously I didn't - anyway I appreciate the pick-up, information on move page, and fix-up. Won't happen again.--VS ^{talk...images} 12:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• No worries, now you know. A history merge, like I did here, isn't much work. Thank you for your contributions. If you ever need help, just ask. Happy editing. NoSeptember 12:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
• You learn something new everyday :). Always happy to help, mattbr³⁰ 13:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] riverina map

no worries mate! by the way I have enjoyed looking at the photos you have taken of the region, country towns are the best! --Astrokey44 08:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina Photos

I'm based in Berrigan. If all goes well, I hope to get some more photos this afternoon; this time the small towns in Corowa shire, north of Mulwala. That was a great photo of a vineyard for the Riverina article too--Mattinbgn 22:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks (for the comment about the vineyard image). I have noted down the needed images for Riverina as per talk page, many in terms of agriculture are hard to get at the moment considering the drought but I will find them as time goes on. Thought you must have been relatively close. I enjoy finding the obscure little villages and community areas and then trying to capture an image (usually from a limited array of constructions etc) that suits the town. For your info I am based in Wagga Wagga. --VS ^{talk...images} 22:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Double up

Just thought you might like to know that you have a double up on User talk:Harryboyles/Archive 1 (Mistakes) at CityRail line order. --VS ^{talk...images} 04:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Harryboyles 04:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina

I was curious about the name. The NSW Geographic Names Board has nothing. The source seems reasonably credible. I would like some corroboration though. I wonder what the connection is with Argentina. There are later connections with South America and Australia, eg Mary Gilmore with others and New Australia ... More research required.

I also want more detail on agricultural statistics. I don't like the possible discrepancies in wine production - both authoritative government sources - probably the Wine and Brandy Corp is better than the NSW dept - it is of course possible that the stats don't conflict but I don't feel very comfortable with them. Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 05:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• I wonder if the actual article in the Border Post (which even though it ended in 1902 has a link to the current Border Mail) would give us more detail of the reason for the mail. For example did Argentinian Horsemen roam the area and thus start the name - much like the Ghan is named after the roaming Afghans on camels. Anyway I am not sure how to get a hold of the article but if I can help please let me know.--VS ^{talk...images} 05:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It gets still stranger before it gets clearer - see http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/pubs/pops/pop44/brown.pdf (page 25) :-) but at least there is more than one authority now --Golden Wattle ^talk 05:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

(Seems we were on the same track) Does this help... It seems that the writer of the Border Post article may have been John Dunmore Lang. This page [1] states at page 14 ...The same sentiments can be distinguished in provincial newspapers of a century ago and even in the writings of John Dunmore Lang as he described the neglect by the government in Sydney of the Port Phillip District and parts of inland New South Wales as early as the 1840s and 1850s. It was he, indeed, who made one of the first suggestions for establishing New States when in 1857 he advocated the setting up of an 'inland and RIVERINE colony. --VS ^{talk...images} 05:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you want to pursue http://www.api-network.com/cgi-bin/reviews/jrbview.cgi?n=1740970233&issue=44 ? Mott of the Border Post and Dunmore Lang are mentioned. Have to go. Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 05:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• I will have a look now --VS ^{talk...images} 05:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• I suspect Lang had no direct link to Argentina but instead the name reflected the high level of interest in Argentina by British investors after independence was won from Spain and internal conflict ceased. See History of Argentina#Birth of Argentina. Perhaps there was a desire to piggy back on this high level of interest.--Mattinbgn 06:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ganmain

Good photo of Ganmain. I wanted to get there on Saturday and got as close as Grong Grong but time began to press. I am trying to get some sort of table set up where I can keep track of articles on Riverina towns that need info boxes, photos and/or expansion. When I get it done I can point you in its direction if you like.--Mattinbgn 06:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• Cheers Matt. Appreciate the compliment. I think there is a chance that one day one of us will look over our shoulder and see the other one taking a photograph of the same thing and not realise that we are both wiki bound. - I actually orchestrated my photo run yesterday after I saw the great group of photographs that you had put up and that you had stopped at Ardlethan. I have managed (as you may have seen) to get Matong between Grong Grong and Ganmain up also. I also have Mirrool (just putting that up as we speak) and Beckom (next) and Ariah Park (next after that) and a few other obscure towns/places. I like the idea of your table - would be happy to support and to cross off as we knock each of these places over.--VS ^{talk...images} 06:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I have photos of Ariah Park that I have meant to upload plus a whole lot of other South East NSW places - let me know where the table is and I would be happy to contribute--Golden Wattle ^talk 09:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for your message. I have already started a gallery at Ariah Park. Please add any photographs that you think will further enhance the article.--VS ^{talk...images} 10:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uranquinty

Hi JROBBO - I noted your revert of my entry regarding Wagga Wagga - Uranquinty - The Rock train stops. Let me say first off that it is absolutely no skin of my nose if the article on Wagga Wagga and Uranquinty is changed- but I note your interest in accuracy and given that I live here and have travelled the train line from Wagga Wagga to Melbourne on many many occasions I know that the train does in fact stop at Uranquinty. (If you have travelled this train you will know that it stops at some stops literally for no more than 30 seconds and has departing/enbarking passengers at one specific door on the train ready to get off).

You are correct that Uranquinty is not listed as a Request Stop but to be sure of my facts this morning I rang Countrylink again (just in case the ability for a stop has ceased) and asked if I could buy a ticket Sydney to Uranquinty. The telephone salesperson asked her supervisor and called me back to say that with a special request (which a supervisor will assess) the train will stop at Uranquinty. As I said I have travelled that way by train (on probably 25-50 occassions in the past 6 or so years) and it has stopped at Uranquinty many times. Just thought you might like to know in case you want to adjust for this fact? --VS ^{talk...images} 00:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry I didn't believe you earlier, but I do now. I remember now that there are other non-listed stops on other lines like Newbridge on the Main West. My only worry is that someone will revert the change without a source, as is supposed to happen on Wikipedia if the fact is unjustified. Can you find a published source that says UQ is still open and used for Countrylink trains on request? This site has it listed as "In use" but doesn't say that passenger trains stop there. By all means, though, put it back to how you had it before (and don't forget to change The Rock, New South Wales as well.) JROBBO 07:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

This is one of the times when WP:V trumps the truth. Find something in print that says you can get on/off the train - does the newsagent sell tickets? Can you buy a ticket? If you can, they must be on a price list but that is a pretty nasty primary source. You can't cite an email, they aren't verifiable. <evil grin>Idea: write a travel supplement for the Wagga Daily Advertiser then JROBBO can cite that </evil grin>Garrie 05:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• The best I can do is to list the link that JROBBO himself provided which definitely shows that Uranquinty is still 'in use'. It is not about buying a ticket from Wagga to Uranquinty it is about buying a ticket from (say) Sydney to Uranquinty - so (do you like this evil grin?) we need someone to write a travel supplement in the Sydney Morning Herald. Still - with respect - saying the station is still in use and giving a reference to that fact as we have should be enough verification - god knows there are far worse verifications in other articles. If not - well it just is no skin of my nose - I don't care enough about train articles to get upset about the rules getting in the way of the facts. --VS ^{talk...images} 06:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photos to commons

Hi - I notice you are uploading pics to wikipedia rather than Commons. As per Wikipedia:Uploading images#Multiproject upload you might like to consider uploading to Commons. I have recently created a category there called Category:Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales and also a page with a gallery Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 18:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks - I have not considered this before. I confess I do not know much (probably read anything) about Wiki Commons. I do not have an account (unless my English account is transferable?) but I think I'd be happy to re-upload all of my images there under GFDL (self-made). I'll look into creating an account - any tips ? --VS ^{talk...images} 21:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi - you need to create a new account - I recommend keeping the same name. Some of the rules are different - for example there is no fair use provisions. For your own photos though you will notice little difference. The categories on Commons are a bit of a mess which makes finding photos very hard. The big advantage is that the pictures are accessible to other projects, for example wikinews and other language editions of the wikipedia. Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 21:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The ferry was closed for lunch :-( so we missed the rare opportunity of crossing by ferry there. That day we continued upstream and had a great lunch at Jingellic. Today is a day where I can do a bit of wiki work so am uploading images taken a while ago.--Golden Wattle ^talk 00:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One Tree Hotel

Ikeshut has redirected One Tree, New South Wales to One Tree Hotel, New South Wales and asks whether we should keep in the Template:Riverina nav box. You can read his message here. My personal thoughts are that it should stay, as it seems no smaller than some other communities consisting of a hotel, and seems notable enough for an article. Your thoughts?--Mattinbgn 03:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• I agree with your thoughts. It seems we were both picking up on this at the same time. --VS ^{talk...images} 03:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I have explained our reasoning and I am waiting to hear back.--Mattinbgn 10:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - thanks - I'll wait until you let me know. --VS ^{talk...images} 10:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Berrigan Shire Image

I couldn't get it to work either so I have left a message on the help page. Thanks for letting me know.--Mattinbgn 21:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina towns progress list

Hi, I have finally got the table of the Riverina towns together as discussed earlier. You can find it here: User:Mattinbgn/Riverina Stuff. Not the greatest name and the table doesn't exactly look pretty but it's a start.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 12:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• Cool. I have been watching you progress - I have also been combing through maps tonight to get the Riverina template as close to finalised as possible. I am sorry that that will alter your table a little bit. The following message is related to my results with the view of giving you a penultimate list of names for your table....

[edit] Finalisation of entries to Riverina Template

Hi Matt and GW. I have tried to progress systematically across various road maps to include, as far as I can tell most rural community, hamlet, villages and towns within the template. The odd ghost town which is not on a conventional map, for example Mitta Mitta and Brushwood will be found as we travel around looking for photographs. There may be one or two errors which no doubt will be adjusted as we go through and complete articles and additions. However after combing through the maps tonight and double checking all of the names I think the current list is very complete and you might like to use it for basis of the checklists that you have created/are creating both here and on Wiki Commons.--VS ^{talk...images} 12:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kapooka

Hi, VS. I see you have added Kapooka, New South Wales to the Wagga Wagga nav box template. There is an existing article Kapooka, that should probably be renamed. I have left my thoughts on the article talk page, what do you think?--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 03:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey Matt - I agree wholeheartedly and have already altered the page. I responded on the page with the following message...

• I absolutely agree with Mattinbgn and others above - this article needs to be renamed immediately. The article is about a department of defence location that has been officially known as the Army Recruit Training Centre since December 1, 1998 Department of Defence - Australian Army] and is located within Blamey Barracks, Kapooka. Kapooka is the suburb of Wagga Wagga and that name is required for an article about suburbs in Wagga according to the Wiki naming convention for such locations. See Template:Wagga Wagga City. --VS ^{talk...images} 04:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I have added the standard templates to the Kapooka article and did some minor editing to the ARTC one. I think Kapooka should redirect to Kapooka, New South Wales, and the suburb article should have a disambuguation template pointing to the ARTC article.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 06:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• Agreed. Redirect and disamb pointer looks and is working fine. --VS ^{talk...images} 07:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina images

That is a pretty good idea with the image page as with an additional 200 (200!) images it would start to become unwieldy. Perhaps we could add the number of images available for each town on the main page so that readers know what sort of range is available. Also, I meant to say well done for getting to the end of the Template:Riverina additions. All that is left to do now is create and improve the articles. :-)--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 10:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

• I appreciate the comments thank you. I had a similar thought on image numbers - hence my leaving a gap between the two | | pipelinks between each wikipedia page and commons images. Once I get the rest of the almost 200 images up we can probably do a count on each page and add the number in the space - including a zero | 0 | where there are none (to prompt us). I agree - a lot more work to do but between the group we are getting there. Other than images to Commons this week I will attack as many red-links as work and free-time allow. --VS ^{talk...images} 11:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

To cope with 251 towns I think it is a great rewrite - happy uploading!--Golden Wattle ^talk 19:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

• Hi in answer to Mattinbgn's query about deletion of transwikid images, if you use the template {{NowCommons}} placing {{subst:ncd}} or {{subst:ncd|Image:Filename.ext}} to tag the wikipedia images that are now both on wikipedia and commons, they then become candidates for speedy deletion :-) Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 18:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks GW - I did notice your answer to Matt. Is it correct to assume that a transwikid image automatically appears on an article on wikipedia from commons once the wikipedia image has been deleted (assuming of course that the name is the same - or does an editor have to add further information to the image link that points it to Commons)? --VS ^{talk...images} 21:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi - images from commons appear in wikipedia without any need for the prefix of commons: - ie the image link works automatically. If you uploaded to commons with the same name you had used to upload here, there will be no need to add further information to wikipedia articles - all the links will work. See for example, Adelong, New South Wales and Image:Adelong December 2005.jpg - when you click on the image link it is a red wikipedia link and immediately below the image an automatic tag appears saying it is from Commons - I didn't have to do anything to get the tag there. Regards Golden Wattle ^talk 22:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Good stuff - thanks Golden Wattle. I am adjusting the name of images slightly on Commons on occassion so I will just have to match the names with Wikipedia articles but otherwise I will speedy delete wiki images also (once I get the time to upload them all to Commons - hopefully this weekend --VS ^{talk...images} 23:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

If the image name is different then you add a parameter to the tag requesting speedy deletion ie {{subst:ncd|Image:Filename.ext}}--Golden Wattle ^talk 00:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina template

Hi VS, I was having a good look through the template and can advise a little about some localities in the Berrigan area. Coree and Tuppal are purely rural localities based on a previously existing sheep station, lacking a school, hall, church and I can't recall seeing an RFS shed. Osborne Wells was a village that never quite took off, it is still shown as subdivided on cadastral maps but since the school closed in the 70s I believe you can drive through the "town" and not see any sign of it at all. The town site is fenced off and used for grazing. While I am comfortable keeping them in the template and giving them articles, what would you consider the minimum needed to comply with WP:N. Once again, great work ploughing through the red links--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 02:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the comments Matt. Good question. Sorry for the lengthy response but it will help to keep track of this question if we are asked by other editors. Naturally I agree with keeping our eye on WP:N and my way of doing that is to look for (as by the guidelines) that the location has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject itself and each other. The trouble with this is of course the/our definitions of multiple and non-trivial.

• IMHO I think that any locality is a place that is worthy of being noted or attracting notice again as per the guidelines - but of course for some localities the article we create on Wiki is probably the biggest thing ever written on the Web about that location. (Also just because a place doesn't have much evidence of existence shouldn't mean it doesn't get an article eg: Methul was nothing more than a sign (image is on page) but gosh does that area produce some grain etc). To some extent then we document history and for some locations it should (and does say) that the location etc is almost a ghost town, or nothing more than a couple of dilapidated old buildings etc.

• To commence an article on any location I always use a minimum of five check points for each, asking the questions, (1) is the location/village etc detailed at the Geographical Names Board of NSW, (2) is it detailed at www.fallingrain's Directory of Cities and Towns in State of New South Wales, Australia, (3) can I find it in on the Australian Government's Geoscience Australia website, (4) does the location have a postcode through Australia Post, and (5)can I find the location on travelmate.com.au. If I get a yes on at least two (ie multiple) of these sites then IMHO it passes WP:N. If it doesn't then I delete it from the Riverina template (as I did for Allaway, Wemby and Wallundry in the past few days). The only accurate way of doing this is to go through the five tests with any given redlink. For example then for Coree and Tuppal I can answer yes to two or more of the above questions - and for Osborne Wells (because of your prompt just now) there is nothing and it should be deleted. Your thoughts (and if you are reading this GW yours?) please? --VS ^{talk...images} 02:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the very thorough reply. It sounds very reasonable to me and I have no concerns with that process. Do you think this should be copied to the talk page of the template as well.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 02:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yes good idea. I have copied the lot over now.--VS ^{talk...images}

• Congratulations for all that effort :-)--Golden Wattle ^talk 08:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image purging

Hi VS. I am not 100% sure either. See Commons:Help desk#Berrigan Shire Office Photograph where I asked for help with the other image. I tried following the instructions with the conargo image but with no joy. I'll keep trying. Cheers. --Mattinbgn/ ^talk 09:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks it is a mystery. Perhaps only patience can help as the image refreshes somewhere in the ether? --VS ^{talk...images} 09:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Sunraysia}}

Excellent work. I must do the same for {{Sunraysia}}, which inspired the {{Riverina}} template. As I've not long moved to the Sunraysia area, a little research is required on my behalf before all red links will disappear. Half of the towns I'd never heard of before the template went live ;) -- Longhair\^talk 11:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for your kind comments. If it is okay with you (?) - I will be happy to help with Template:Sunraysia - having visited many of those places over the years (The Sunraysia is unique with both Hattah as a single town palindromic spelling, and Colignan & Nangiloc as a double town palindrome) --VS ^{talk...images} 20:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your updates to the template. I've missed a few of the smaller towns, as evidenced by the template history. Any efforts in completing the task are most welcomed. -- Longhair\^talk 06:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure - consider me part of the team . I have just completed Annuello and updated Berriwillock substantially, hope my style suits?? Another Question - What do you consider is the southern line of the Sunraysia region? --VS ^{talk...images} 06:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't know exactly where the southern border of Sunraysia stands. I'd be able to ask around though, considering I live right in the middle of it, and there'd be a local or two who'd know for sure. Driving up the Sunraysia highway only a week or so ago, The Mallee begins around bear Birchip, and is signposted as so, however there's no mention of Sunraysia until one hits Ouyen. I'll do some research and see what I can come up with. -- Longhair\^talk 06:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• • Cheers - I'll wait for your answer. It won't matter for a while. We added some towns/localities originally in Template:Riverina which we found out later were outside of the area and then just adjusted them out of the area. --VS ^{talk...images} 06:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm somewhat confused re: The Mallee and Sunraysia also, hence the template being combined. I guess once a more definite answer is forthcoming, we can separate the template in two. Your new articles are perfect btw, thanks ;) -- Longhair\^talk 06:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For the weeks of patient work to convert the red links to blue in {{Riverina}}, I think you deserve a barnstar. Great work!--Mattinbgn/ talk 11:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for the barnstar Matt - that was a nice surprise. Next step for me for all locations on the template is to add location information in the following format - nearest two locations, nearest city or alternate city, distance to Sydney. --VS ^{talk...images} 20:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Riverina}}

Hi VS, I have replied on the talk page. Good work on the info box additions--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 08:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina tags

I would think we would add both the Riverina and Australian places tags to the talk pages as it is supported by both projects. The Riverina project could be wider than just the towns and include all articles in the Category:Riverina. See Talk:Dumbleyung, Western Australia for a precedent from another project. What do you think? I have held off tagging further pages for now.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 08:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• I confess I don't know the answer. We only categorise images in one place so I thought we would do the same for articles within the Riverina region. It seems a bit superfluous to categorise in both seeing that the Riverina project is a child of Wikiproject Australia. Do you think a third or fourth opinion might help? --VS ^{talk...images} 11:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we ask at the WP:AUSTPLACES talk page. Some good news, the tables on Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales are finished.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 11:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• That's great work on the table adjustment - looks and feels much better. I did post the question to Golden Wattle last night also - to see her what her views are? Then this morning I have woken up remembering that she did the first one of the Riverina tags to Coolac so I thought I'd take a look at the history to see what she did in that case ... here. I will wait also before I go on with the tagging until we get a consensus. Today I hope to get pictures of towns and localities not yet photographed in and around Lockhart. Cheers until then. --VS ^{talk...images} 20:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The ability to include multiple tags is the reason for the way its been setup take Talk:Port Hedland, Western Australia this has three. Multiple categories is also not an issue because thats the purpose of categories to contian all article associated with a particular subject. Remeber that while most of the articles are towns they could include people, plants, events etc which arent all part of the places project but may overlap other projects. Gnangarra 00:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - thanks for the response - appreciate your time. --VS ^{talk...images} 01:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I am certainly willing to get stuck in and help add the Riverina tag to the relevant talk pages. It may also be worth adding the Riverina tag to the articles in Category:Riverina and its subcategories.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 02:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Great stuff. I agree tagging Cat:Riv is a good idea. Okay well just to give you an idea (for strategy purposes) I should be able to complete about A - L (or perhaps M) by later this afternoon. I will leave Cat:Riv unless you have less time? If you think that is a plan to get this hunk of work done? --VS ^{talk...images} 02:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I have started from the other end and will see where I get to today.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 02:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

All but A, B and C done for the towns.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 04:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Great work! I have finalised the a, b & c's now also. --VS ^{talk...images} 06:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Commons upload request

Hi VirtualSteve. I've uploaded Image:Culcairn_courthouse.jpg to Commons and placed a NowCommons tag on the original. Not sure if I need to do anything further. Can you advise please? Gimboid13 02:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

That's great Gimboid13 - I have recategorised it to Category:Court houses in the Riverina and put a link to the picture here - please take a look at C - Culcairn (you will note that there are now 2 images in commons for this location and you can see them both by clicking on Culcairn in the left hand column. If you have any other photos of towns and localities in the Riverina we would be happy to see you include them in the same format anywhere on this image list. --VS ^{talk...images} 07:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)