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[edit] Thanks for visiting!

Thanks for stopping by. I enjoy hearing from other Wikipedians (most of the time!) and appreciate the company. Remember, new stuff to the bottom of the page and sign your edits with four tildes (~~~~) and check back for a reply. Keep well. Wiggy! 18:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Thanks for visiting! 2 Green quarters 3 Feyenoord 4 Tables 5 How do you make kit images? 6 SC Verl 7 Barnstar 8 Image:BFC Dynamo Berlin 3.png 9 User:Nadia Kittel 10 DD-Logo 11 answer to your questione 12 African Cup of Nations 13 Welcome to WikiProject Germany 14 Image:Superganewspaper.png 15 Abseits Guide to German Soccer 16 Founding members of DFB 17 WP Munich Sports Task Force 18 older logos FC Carl Zeiss Jena 19 Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Regarding notability of Football (soccer) players

[edit] Green quarters

Many thanks!!!!!!!!! ChrisTheDude 07:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hiya Wiggy! On a similar note to my query with the green quarters, would you be able to take a look at the _redquarters14 pattern? The non-red quarters are showing up as solid white rather than transparent. Many thanks for your assistance! ChrisTheDude 08:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The image file is part of Wikipedia Commons and can't be directly replaced. I've uploaded a new file to Commons which includes the proper transparent background in quadrants 2&3 and made a request to have the bad file replaced with that. Dunno how long it takes, up to the admins over there now, so stay tuned. Wiggy! 13:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheers!!!!! ChrisTheDude 14:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Feyenoord

Hey Wiggy!, Thanks for copy-editing some parts of the Feyenoord article already. That's exactly what I was looking for and I'm looking forward to see this happening to the rest of the article as well. I hope you can find the interest in doing this, but with fellow Canadians Jonathan de Guzman and Jacob Lensky playing at the club this hopefully won't be too much of a bother to you. Cheers, SportsAddicted | discuss 19:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to make a contribution. Hope it suits. Thanks. Wiggy! 22:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It definately suits. The thing is when I see what I actually should have written I always have the feeling that I could have came up with that as well, but for some reason I don't, so it's always nice to have someone nearby that speaks better English than I do :) SportsAddicted | discuss 23:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for another round of copy-editing. I did however see you changed 1-0 and 5-2 into 1:0 and 5:2, which is not a common way to print a result. I know this is done in Germany, but as far as I know nowhere else in the world. I also removed the "by fans" part as everybody nicknames the stadium like that... fans, team members, press, fans/players/members from other teams as well as whoever you can think of. SportsAddicted | discuss 23:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I see it's moving along and a number of folks are chipping in. This is good. Wiggy! 23:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

That's right, the more people are on it, the better the article eventually will be. SportsAddicted | discuss 06:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tables

User:Nadia Kittel Ok. And I see that all anyhow with a 17 inch monitor. I did it saw on another monitors and it looks not so good. I have had thought that is a new idea and looked for other pages and I have no desires to do it revert in my states.

Well, a good try in any case. It can be fun to experiment and it is great when something works out. Good luck. Wiggy! 18:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How do you make kit images?

How do you make kit patterns that use Template:Football kit ? FootyStavros 01:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

If the image uses an existing pattern I use Adobe Photoshop to change colours, do horizontal flips, move patterns from one image to another, etc. If I am making an image from scratch I use something like CorelDraw to create a new pattern and export it as a .png when its ready to go (just because I'm a regular CorelDraw user and can easily make it do what I want) and tune it up in Photoshop if I have to. There are other .png editors out there (including some freebies) that'll do the job as well. MS Paint will let you edit .pngs as well, real simple to use, but doesn't handle the transparent backgrounds that some kit images use. Hope that gives you a few clues. I imagine other folks have their own favorite apps for the job. You're trying to put together your own kit I assume? What club? (Good luck with it) Wiggy! 02:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How do I make this image into a .png? I can't send any images to Adobe photoshop either. FootyStavros 22:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I use CorelDraw v7 (sometimes v12) and Adobe Photoshop CS to modify kits. CorelDraw allows you to export a file as a .png. Photoshop will handle .png files natively - you can open a file as a .png and save it as a .png. It also offers a Save for Web option that will save the file as a .png. You can open a .jpg (or other file format) under Photoshop, edit it, and save or export the result as a .png.

What software are you using for your work? It may just come down to developing some familiarity with the file functions of Photoshop (or whatever else it may be that you are using). Wiggy! 23:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I figured out how to do it. THANKS ALOT WIGGY. FootyStavros 23:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Woohoo! Congratulations. Wiggy! 23:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute. Ihe problem is that all my kits have to be on certain colour. I don't know how to make it with a colour you choose. Like for example:

The arms and the body have my patterns on them. They're all supposed to be blue. But when I save them they change colours! FootyStavros 21:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is with the files you are uploading. Part of the image has to be transparent so that the background colour you select shows through the kit image that is laying on top of it. You can think of it as a cutout, I suppose. Mastering the use of graphic files with transparent backgrounds is one of the tricks that makes the football kit images work. Note that not all graphics software support transparent backgrounds. Improperly prepared transparencies will place the colour white in the area that is supposed to be transparent.

I've fixed your arms and will do the body as well. Wiggy! 21:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you fix this then? It's the real one. FootyStavros 01:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. Saved as _thingoldsides rather than thingoldsidess to match standard naming convention. Wiggy! 01:36, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SC Verl

Thanks for your rewrite of the article. Please tell me if my English was actually bad, as I'm always working toward improving it. I will accept "rivalry", although it is an animosity. ;) DevSolar 14:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Your English looks to be quite good. "Animosity" is fine by me, I had toned it down some without really knowing how much of a hate on there was between the two groups of fans. I'd also be more inclined to include the highlights as part of the general history section just as a matter of narrative flow, but that's just my approach. I take it that you are a Verl fan? How is your side doing this year? Wiggy! 14:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You wouldn't happen to have a club logo image handy, would you? Wiggy! 14:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

As for the animosity, well... any more of it, and visiting the derbys would become really uncomfortable. ;-) This season is looking good so far. Our team is virtually unchanged, with only a few reinforcements, as opposed to our strongest competitor SC Preußen Münster who assembled a whole new team after coming down from Regionalliga (for 1.5 times the funds we have available for the whole club, just for their first team.) But we're ranked 2nd, one point behind and one game less played, so it's looking good.

Club logo is tricky. There are lots and lots around on the 'net (like, at the top of http://www.scverl.de), but I couldn't solve the copyright issue sufficiently for any of them to dare a Wikipedia upload. :-( DevSolar 08:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It's okay, I found one. The use of a sports logo is okay as far as it goes as long it is properly tagged {{logo}} or {{sports-logo}} when uploaded/posted. Maybe the goings-ons on in Sachsen will help cool off the fans. Only a point out with a game in hand is looking good. Still a dozen games or so to go? If your guys can keep that up you have a good chance at moving up. Good luck. Go Verl! Wiggy! 12:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah, so far things stopped short of "real" violence. That's what I meant with "any more of it...". ;-) Twenty games to go. If you're really interested, check the German wikipedia entry, or the statistics thread in the fan forum. The moving up this year would be rather crucial... next year the 3rd Bundesliga will be formed, meaning that clubs still in the Oberliga (IV) by then only have a chance for qualifying for the new Regionalliga (then-IV) or staying in the Oberliga (then-V), while teams already in Regionalliga (III) have a (really good) chance for qualifying for 3rd Bundesliga (then-III), and cannot be relegated from Regionalliga (then-IV)... DevSolar 12:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		Football (soccer) barnstar
		For bucketloads of great contributions, particularly in the area of German football, I award you this barnstar. Oldelpaso 21:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow. How cool is that? <blush> Thanks for the notice. Wiggy! 23:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:BFC Dynamo Berlin 3.png

It's cool man! With which software do you make such pictures? Nadia Kittel 14:19, February 23, 2007 (UTC)

I use CorelDraw and Adobe Photoshop CS. I just re-built the image with a Dynamo logo I had on file and added the necessary stars so the whole thing looks cleaner. Wiggy! 01:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Nadia Kittel

You left Nadia Kittel a long list of mistakes and wrong contributions on his talk page. Unfortunately he will not read this statement much less he would understand what you meant. The only way is to scavenge behind his path of contribution. If he rechanges unjustified (for example: correctly translated statements) you can warn him not to vandalise. Images without or with wrong license information should be proposed for deletion. After a few days of editwar and image deletion work he is going to leave his current topic of activity. I am sure that blocking his account will not solve anything. Geo-Loge 10:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep. I'd agree with Geo-Loge. I haven't looked at recent activity yet (but I will in the next day or so), but in the past, the problem has been that Nadia just isn't very interested in discussion. I was hoping that my block of him in late December was going to instruct him that he had to change his ways, but apparently it didn't work. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I hate to break it to you guys, but I've left tons of warnings and the image deletion bots tag her improperly uploaded stuff all the time, but she (rather than he) just isn't getting it. This has been carrying on since late December now. I'll stay on top of it, but another block may be useful at some point. Thanks for your attentions. Happy Wikapediaing! Wiggy! 16:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Firstly he used this image illustrating his user page. He is male. And he overwrote this image with another image which violates copyrights. The how-is-how of this user is also in discussion: User talk:Nadia Kittel#User:Kay. Very strange at all.. Geo-Loge 21:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is his/her reaction. But at least there is communication!! So I was wrong: He read your statement. Geo-Loge 15:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, more of the same nonsense. Now looks to be making anonymous edits to the page. Classy guy/gal. Anyhow, thanks for the background info. Keep well. Wiggy! 15:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I try to reach him in German language. Let's see what happens.. Geo-Loge 16:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I lost my temper and added him to the an administrators'_noticeboard. Geo-Loge 16:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed he blew off your attempt to communicate. Too bad. This is such a cool place to hang out if you have the right attitude about it. Thanks for your efforts. Wiggy! 17:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I'm pretty stumped. :) At some point, though, he/she is going to have to be blocked if they continue to upload images like they have. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DD-Logo

That's the logo of Dynamo Dresden; weared in the time of the end of the 1960's until the middle of the 1980's. The first fan articles was eqiupped with the logo. It Have a look at: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330092916880#ebayphotohosting , http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180088643464#ebayphotohosting , http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320086001972#ebayphotohosting and http://www.ultras-dynamo.de/ . However, you have your logos at the side there! Image:OfficialTrainer.jpg 200px 200px —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nadia Kittel (talk • contribs) 17:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, I recognize the logo as a historical variant from the period you mention, but the infobox should display the logo in CURRENT use. It's silly to keep replacing accurate up-to-date images with stuff that is oddball or of lower quality, especially where it doesn't add anything useful to the article. Even as a historical variant the difference is slight enough that I'd think twice about using it. Of the (inconveniently oversized) images that you posted, the only one that even comes close to illustrating your point by presenting a clear view is of the pennant (wimpel) being sold on eBay. The other material could be displaying anything and so doesn't strike me as being particularly helpful or convincing in any way. And in the end, while that sort of material can be useful, I wouldn't choose any of it as a source over what's available at the club's official site. It would be best to leave the clean, current image in place without unnecessarily enlarging it. Anyone who wants a closer look can click on it. The current image is also clearly tagged with a proper summary and licensing info, and is categorized so that it appears with all the other available German football logos. Thanks for your input. (Remember to use ~~~~ to sign and date your posts, new messages to the bottom of the page). Wiggy! 17:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Nadia, you have no right to edit my talk page by deleting material that doesn't suit you! Don't do it again. Wiggy! 20:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] answer to your questione

I lived in Nicaragua for about 5 years then i left the country when Ortega was first elected because he had some very weird rules you buy a certain kind of meat your not allowed to buy any other kind of meat you were told were you could spend your money, Im originally from Amsterdam i moved to the U.S to work as Chef and i'm an Associate at a private catering company I'm in my late 40's my wife is from Mexico. I last visited Nicaragua in Dec. 2005 i went to san juan del sur, laguna de apoyo, lago colcibolca etc. I mean no trouble but i think the Tourism section should be backed up with proper information and not from a personal point of view or a government site that has absolutely nothing to do with it, i first got interested when i was searching for information on central america i wanted read about other countries that i plan to visit next and i can honestly say wikipedia is no help i wouldnt recommend it to anyone until these articles are fixed. It doesnt seem to me that your contributors are helpful i know they are volunteers but they are rather discouraging this is not a friendly welcoming site and Nicaragua being the only country in central america that i have lived in i'd like to see some sources. I will contribute but lately work's been busy but when i get a chance i will gather up some sources for things i would like to write. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Holand (talk • contribs) 05:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like you've skipped around some, from place to place. Living in Nicaragua at a time of such big changes must have been a little scary. I'm from Canada which, except for some occasional excitement over Quebec, is a boringly - but wonderfully - stable place to live.

As to fixing the article on Nicaragua, I'd maybe go about it a bit more gently. I know it can be a frustrating chore sometimes, but I'm sure that if you work at a bit at a time it without beating up on your fellow contributors that it could be put into decent condition - especially as it sounds like you have something useful to add. Don't get too wound up over it and spend some time building some credibility with the other contributors by making useful incremental edits and - most importantly - by showing them some respect. Calling everyone a dope and bad-mouthing Wikipedia won't get you anywhere and the site can only be as friendly as you help make it. Patience, persistance and politeness. Wiggy! 17:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] African Cup of Nations

Thank you for copyediting of the article. Keep up the good work. --ChaChaFut 01:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Superganewspaper.png

Nice find, that image!

Cheers, —Ian Spackman 14:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, isn't that a beauty? I felt a delicious wikithrill when I came across it. A tad lurid maybe, but classic 40s-style stuff from an era before the arrival of the ubiquitous videocam. Wiggy! 16:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes: back in the days when people who made images had to work at it! —Ian Spackman 16:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abseits Guide to German Soccer

I just noticed that the Abseits Guide, used liberally as external weblink for German soccer clubs, is a bit fuzzy when it comes to the lower German leagues, especially when it gets to which tier that league was at the time (quoting only the tier of that league as it is today. It's somewhat excusable, as even the German Wikipedia doesn't give much info on this, and there were (and still are) some regional differences. I just want to mention that the website isn't exactly "encyclopedic" in its info. (Just one example: The SC Verl page misses the fact that Landesliga was (IV), not (V), in the 70ies (there was no Oberliga before 1978...) DevSolar 11:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It may not be "encyclopedic", but having made regular use of the site it is clear that overall the info there is of generally high quality. I find it a great place to get started in developing a club profile because it provides a quick, easy to digest overview. In reading the author's profiles it is often obvious that he's visited the club site and used other sources. I also appreciate the tongue-in-cheek character of some of his remarks related to things that are often spot on that can be tough to find elsewhere, especially if the club itself won't talk about a given aspect of their history. Details like league standings can generally be confirmed at other sites, but again, I think the summary material available at Abseit's is valuble for its conciseness and ready availability. As a fan you know as well as I do that the historical structure of German football leagues is more than a bit convoluted, but to me that's part of the fascination of the game in the country. As a web asset Abseits is tough to beat and I appreciate the effort that's gone into the site, but wouldn't consider it a sole source.

I've settled into something of a routine when working on a club page that starts with a visit to Abseits. Then I'll hit up a bunch of other sites which generally include the German Wikipedia entry, the club site and some of its fans pages, the historical league results archive at www.f-archiv.de, the club summary page at eufo.de (for teams from tier IV and higher), and various wappen (logo) sites. I also used to make use of Hirschi's Fussballzahlensalat for details on very early German football, but that's disappeared. www.fussballdaten.de is often useful for confirming results (standings, match scores, cup competition), as is rsssf. And whatever else I may come across - throw into a pot and stir. I've got into the habit of appending external links to Abseits, f-archiv, and eufo (after the club page) as being the most useful to readers who want to do some follow-up or start their own explorations.

I'll typically gnaw at an article for a bit and then walk off and see what comes up in the next fews weeks or months and re-visit if I find new stuff or simply do a review and see if the item stands up. Its great to see folks adding stuff (corrections, new facts, perspective) and watch an article grow. Wiggy! 15:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Founding members of DFB

Great Job you did here so far with all the Club infos. If you need help i'll try to find things. I guess some of the founding clubs are not existing any more especially the ones from Berlin. I will check out what I can find tomorrow. Greetings --Panth 02:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It has made for an interesting little side project within the context of German football, but I think I'm down to the real tough ones now. I found that a number of the clubs are long gone and so in some cases the available info in the articles is rather thin. In other cases I was surprised to find clubs still among the living. I might have material for one or two others salted away, but that's it for now. Thanks for your interest and I'm looking forward to see what you might come up with. If you can find additional material I'd be quite impressed. Good luck! Wiggy! 02:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok as i realize this is hard work to find information about the missing Clubs ;) I found a homepage of a Soccer History Museum in Dresden which might help us out with the Dresdner FC 1893. Unfortunately the page seems new and they dont have an email contact yet. Ill keep an eye on that. For Frankfurter FC Germania 1894 i found hints that it might still exist as VfL Germania 1894 but im not sure if it is the same Club and found no Club homepage. The same it is with FC Association 1893 Hamburg which might be the VfL 93 Hamburg e.V. which has a hompage [1]. I might check that as well. --Panth 13:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

As I said, its down to the tough stuff now, the cherry picking is over. I'll follow up on the leads you've provided. Thank you and good hunting! Wiggy! 14:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Well you did it! After your nudge I found a page for VfL Germania 1894 here. It's got a clear reference to being the same side that joined the DFB in 1900. Wiggy! 14:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thats good to hear ;) Maybe you could do me a favor now. I found a mistake on Bundesliga. Theres this this template on the Bundesliga champions on the right side where they are all listed. Instead of 1998/1999 Bayern München it states 1988/1989. Just a minor edit but i couldnt find out where the source code of the box is located.--Panth 11:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that club page had a pretty detailed history section that also included a number of tidbits that I'll be able to use in the articles for other clubs. I've made the fix of the error you pointed out on the Bundesliga page. Thanks again. Wiggy! 12:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP Munich Sports Task Force

I've just created a sports task force for WP Munich. I've noticed that you have been editing 1860 Munich. The project is broken down where you can specifically help out 1860 Munich related article. Kingjeff 01:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

If you are interested, you can sign up here and here. Kingjeff 01:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] older logos FC Carl Zeiss Jena

Hi! The older logos at FC Carl Zeiss Jena are also not correct all. Please have a look at [2]. It's in German, but should be self-explanatory ;-) Otherwise please contact me.

--J2w 15:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Nice find! Where did you come across those old logos? I'll put together an updated historical logo image in the next day or two. Wiggy! 00:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I have created this logos for the internet from paper versions from the club archive. The "green" logo on your pic is an older logo from another club in Jena (SV Jenapharm Jena, former: BSG Jenapharm Jena (1982-1989), BSG Chemie Jena (1951-1982)). --J2w 20:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Regarding notability of Football (soccer) players

Hi, seeing you are interested in football this is an invitation to contribute to this discussion to clarify certain issues about football player notability. I think clearer guidelines are needed to avoid repeated inappropriate nominations for deletion and time consuming discussions. Cheers! StephP 20:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)