Talk:Wiki
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[edit] Vandalism because...
Vandalism is happening because Googling 'wiki' which previously brought up the main page as the first hit now points at this page. 84.68.195.64 11:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
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- This issue has been fixed. Harryboyles 09:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Yup. This article is still the first result when one Googles "Wiki". 64.121.36.5 00:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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- It should bring up this page. If people google "wiki" after all, one expects they're looking for information on the word, not for the Wikipedia Main Page. -- SCZenz 00:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Vandalism
How will we ever fix vandalism on wiki? By making all the articles protected? Maybe articles written by IP only people should require confirmation before it goes live. MrBobla 07:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Wiki is trash anyway. All the protected sites are done so by biased morons who don't want any other truth but their own. To prevent vandalism is to destroy wiki.
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- To allow vandalism destroys wiki. --Daniel Olsen 07:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
No we should only allow members on wikipedia to edit ANYTHING! XanaBlade 15:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Strong oppose
SoftSecurity is more effective than HardSecurity. People prefer delineating a path by placing rocks as guide posts than having the path roped off. Keep off the grass signs are often objects of vandalism and uncontained anger.
Soft Security > Hard Security
Keep our Wikipedia open. Absolutecaliber 22:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reasons for delisting
Hi all,
I am delisting this article as a good article because I feel it does not conform to the well-written requirement of the good article criteria. My problems with the article are pretty much entirely focused on the lead, so they should not be too hard to fix. Specifically:
- The term "*A template" is introduced without proper explanation of the term (or a wikilink).
- There is a stray bullet point in the lead.
- Wikitext is quoted and italicised in contrast to the Wikipedia manual of style.
- The table, while certainly appropriate and helpful, interrupts the lead (as does its caption attributing the quote).
However my problem is not just with the style of the lead. Overall, I found the lead difficult to read. I think there are probably some good elements in the lead but it needs to be rewritten with a real focus on introducing the article to those who may not be familiar with the subject. Please feel free to renominate the article once these issues have been addressed or you can seek a review if you disagree with my objections.
Cedars 02:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that the term 'wiki' used throughout the article ought to be debolded. The article lacks consistency in the bolding of the term 'wiki'. --Porqin 18:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Query about website address
This article explains how Wiki software is a simplification of HTML, and gives a diagram to show differences between these sources of software. Can some one please explain why it is, if Wikipedia uses wiki software as opposed to HTML, that the address for a wikipedia site begins with the initials for "hypertext protocol"? Also, should't this article have the section stating that Wikis follow true hypertext be removed, because, if wikis are written in wiki software and not hypertext mark-up language, the links in such media are "Wikilinks" and not "hyperlinks"? ACEO 19:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- HTTP is for the transfer of hypertext (naturally), the information transferred to your computer from the web server IS in HTML (check the source code by going Tools >> View Source (in IE). Wiki's are written in wiki markup language and saved to a database. Upon request the wiki markup language is parsed into HTML (changing [[Water]] to <a href="/wiki/Water">Water</a> and '''Text''' to <b>Text</b>). Wikis don't use use wiki software as opposed to HTML, wiki software just changes user inputted wiki markup into hypertext markup (and user inputted wikilinks to hypertext links). -- Tsuite T/C 12:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Tsuite is entirely correct. We should to put this information in the article. Is there some way we could adjust this article so people understand that "wikitext" is designed to be easy for humans to edit, and understand the seperation between editing the wikitext stored in the database, and viewing the final rendered page (various headers, footers, sidebars, CSS references, and the wikitext are copied into a temporary page, then that temporary page is translated to HTML and sent to the user's browser). The final rendered page is in HTML, but it wasn't written in HTML, it was written in wikitext.
Surely someone can come up with a better explanation. Perhaps an analogy to seeing a famous sculpture on TV -- what you are seeing is transmitted in radio waves, but the sculpture wasn't sculpted out of radio waves, it was sculpted out of hard rock. Perhaps an analogy to to the famous authors who developed their books on 3x5 cards -- while writing the book, it's easier to insert, delete, and rearrange sentences in the book by shuffling around those index cards, but the final "presentation" is the bound book. Perhaps an analogy with baking bread -- the final baked bread is the "presentation", but it's a lot easier to make the next loaf of bread if we keep some "source" yeast around. --68.0.120.35 16:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Linux wiki link
I've just removed a link to a Linux wiki pages index, because the whole thing was in (I think) Hungarian. Site url had TLD .hu by anonamys, 18 July 2006 @ 20.18 GMT
[edit] Capitalization
The capitalization of Wiki/wiki seems to be pretty random.
Or is there a pattern that I just haven't noticed yet? --Frescard
I think "wiki" should always be lowercase when referring to wiki in general (unless it's the first word of a sentence). --68.0.120.35 16:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wiki markup section
In this section it's noted that:
- "Many people switch between wiki engines, from one to another. Because of the difficulty in using several syntaxes, many people are putting considerable effort into defining a wiki markup standard (see efforts by Meatball and TikiWiki)."
Having followed the links, it is not clear at all that many people -- that's a WP:Weasel phrase -- are putting in effort. I don't think it is true. And it's not clear Meatball or TikiWiki are actually trying to make a standard -- TikiWiki is simply defining its own standard and Meatball has a short list of bullet points a couple of Meatballers have posted. That is not "putting in considerable effort". This whole section is weasely. Hence will be doing a harsh edit on this in a second. — Donama 05:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I remember a standardization thing a while back (there was a mailing list and such with various wiki authors and we discussed it a bit). It never took off, unfortunately. I'm guessing it is more due to lack of time in the parties involved then lack of effort. To be honest, this whole article looks like it was written five years ago... mayby I can update it a bit... RN 07:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] redirects to "wiki"
[edit] Wikify redirect
This redirect is unhelpful. I want to know the syntax to mark an article that needs wikifying. Entering 'wikify' as a search word should take me to a something looking like {{wikify|September 2006}} instead of here. JMcC 16:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
wikify now redirects to a far more useful page. Does that look good to you?
What is wikisphere ? When I click on it, I get redirected to "wiki". I've been told that when a word redirects to an article (the way "wikisphere" redirects to "wiki"), standard procedure is to mention that word in the article. But this article never mentions "wikisphere". --68.0.120.35 16:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps "wikisphere" is a synonym for "wikidom" ?
- It means the same thing for wikis as blogosphere does for blogs – Qxz 16:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wiki = Wicked?
Could there be an etymological connection between the Hawaiian-Language term “Wiki” and the New England slang “Wicked”?
See Wikipedia article on Wicked as a New England slang term. Common example: “That car is wicked fast.”
See also the Wikipedia article on Hawaiian-language concerning the New England Missionary’s development of the Hawaiian language.
Why are wiki pictures so slow to open these days?
I wish to write an article on the little known island nation of Port-O-San. This tiny Island in the caribian was long under the control of Egidio Ruberosa, a military man who seized control of the Portosanian government and who immediately promoted himself to "25 Star General, presedente and supreme high mystic ruler and commander of everything" Egidio Ruberosa, upon his passing due to natural causes, was forced to cede power to the Garjia family - Graciela and Fulgencio who now rule Portosan. Among their reforms has been to increase production of portable toilets to the point where the Island of Port -O-San is now the largest manufacture of said toilets and also leads the world in refurishing and cleaning them. Needless to say the soil of Port-O-san has become extremely rich and furtal.
[edit] Patent falsehoods promote philosophy
This article is fat with opinion, to the point of contradicting itself. The reason is that some of the article's authors seem intent on promoting an ideology.
"Most wikis are open to the general public without the need to register any user account." "There is arguably greater use of wikis behind firewalls than on the public Internet." "The open philosophy of most wikis..."
Most? Would that be the most that are open to the general public or the most that are "arguably" behind firewalls?
"It is therefore better to promote plain-text editing with a few simple conventions for structure and style." "It is somewhat beneficial that users cannot directly use all the capabilities of HTML, such as JavaScript and Cascading Style Sheets."
It is better to promote one form of editing for what purpose? It is beneficial to whom? MudBath 07:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The meaning of Wiki Wiki
Maj: that wiki wiki thing is wrong Maj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki Maj: Wiki Wiki" is a reduplication of "waka waka"[citation needed], a Hawaiian-language word for fast. Maj: cant cite that Maj: its wrong Maj: http://wehewehe.org/gsdl2.5/cgi-bin/hdict?a=q&r=1&hs=1&e=q-0hdict--00-0-0--010---4----den--0-000lpm--1haw-Zz-1---Zz-1-home---00031-0000escapewin-00&q=fast&j=pm&hdid=0&hdds=0 Maj: awiwi is fast Maj: and no where in our biggest dictionary shows waka waka Maj: i mean wiki is also fast but Maj: nothing for waka waka
In my Hawaiian Dictionary (Pukui and Elbert UH Press 1986) "waka" means sharp or serrated. Wiki or wikiwiki does mean quick or swiftly. To do something quickly is "ho'owiki." Hawaiian words are often the same in the noun and adjectival form.
- Waka waka is vandalism that slipped in at some point after the semi-protect. Wiki wiki couldn't be a reduplication ofwaka waka. Its definantly a reduplication of wiki. I've changed it. --Limetom 21:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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- True. re ho'owiki - the ho'o is the standard 'ōlelo verb marker, so if one does not know a verb but the corresponding noun or adjective, simply putting "ho'o" in front of it is likely to be at least understood by the few people in the world who know mor 'ōlelo than English. Reduplication in Polynesian languages generally strengthens a word (wakawaka would be "more waka than just waka), but this is no necessarily correct in all cases (such as lomi, to massage, lomilomi, masseur, lomilomi nui - literally "massage-massage-great" -, a traditional somewhat tantric Hawaiian massage technique.
- What I don't know is this: whether there is an etymological connection between wiki and "quick" or whether they are false cognates. I'd love to put it on that page, but I'm not 100% certain - "quick" is such a basic concept that wiki being a loanword itself seems somewhat absurd, but then Pukui/Elwert list some 6 additional words for "quick" which are unconnected to wiki, and exclamations to make a person speed up are among the first words that cross langage barriers ("andale!" and "dawai!" are usually inherently comprehensible from context alone for people who don't speak Spanish/Russian). Dysmorodrepanis 17:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
What is it is changed to Waka Waka? One would then have to change Wikipedia to Wakapedia. Perhaps, like the use of the word Google (to "Google" something"), Wiki has become part of the language, BASED on Waka. Any thoughts?
[edit] WikiBio?
What we need is also a WikiBio. A place to put our biography for public and/or family future generations. These biographies will show future generations what life was life across the world.
[edit] wiki was a scifi robot
The 1970s Saturday morning television science fiction series Jason of Star Command [1] featured a pocket-sized robot designated "W.1.K.1." and referred to a s "wiki" in dialogue. A screenshot image of the filming prop is here [2]. As far as I have been able to determine, there is no connection between this use of the term wiki and the usage discussed elsewhere in this entry. Should it be added as a second definition/description? Lonn.myronuk 17:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Wiki" as a verb
I hear "I'll wiki this" or "Just wiki it to find out..." a lot now. Has anyone else run into this use? SpikeZoft 06:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- A nominalized form of this verb appears in: Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify. Some people use "wiki" as an adjective, particularly in negation ("an unwiki page", "an unwiki policy"). The word acts as a modifier in the title: The Wiki Way. --Teratornis 18:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Richdex ???
Today, Richdex the Open Free Online Directory is, by far, the world's largest wiki; the English-language Wikipedia is the second-largest
I have a very hard time buying this assertion. It looks to me like Richdex is a Google-ad filled wikipedia wannabe. Unless someone can demonstrate otherwise, I suspect that this is simply an empty boast to drive traffic to the ad content.
I especially have a hard time believing that the team of 132 users have been able to generate 3.9 million articles in the nine months since the domain name was registered. Now a computer program generating individual pages filled with google ads... That I can believe. But I don't think it should count a viable wiki to be listed here. --Pwiscombe 19:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Evaristus It is amazing to be part of this page making. I am here for now expressing my willingness to make useful contributions as time goes on. However this is my first time to write something here. It is worth letting fellow wikis that my professor directed us to make use of wikis and comment. December 7, 2006 NY ESC
[edit] Origin of the term
From the section History:
"Wiki Wiki" is a reduplication of "wiki", a Hawaiian-language word for fast. The word wiki is a shorter form of wiki wiki (weekie, weekie).
That's contradictory. So is "wiki" a shorter form of "wiki wiki", or is "wiki wiki" a reduplication of "wiki"? What is original, and what is derived? -- 131.111.8.96 01:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say it means the term "wiki wiki," as in the bus line and original software WikiWikiWeb, is a reduplication. However (in terms of the software), this would be an awkward name and was thus colloquially shortened to "wiki," coincidentally the original Hawaiian word. akuyumeTC 02:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Jasper Carrot also has a sketch in which another guy (can't remember if it's his publicist or someone else) uses the word "wiki" as every single word in his conversation with a chinese waiter. He asks the waiter what the item is and then says "it's wiki". Probably irrelevant, but whenever I think wikipedia it's the first thing I think of :-) SmUX 19:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Add "like this one" before "Wikipedia" in 1st paragraph
I hate it when an encyopedia or dictionary refers to itself and doesn't say "this one" or something. Course I can't edit it because I am guest and too lazy to create an account.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]).
- That would be a self-reference, which should not only be avoided, but sounds very, very, very unprofessional. We are not referring to ourselves, you must be confused with Wikipedia. -- Chris is me (u/c/t) 16:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Semi-protection
Sorry that I had to semi-protect the Wiki article... it's kinda ironic, huh? -- Chris is me (u/c/t) 16:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I was just thinking that. It's ok, we forgive you.EvilOverlord88 18:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wiki project hawaii?
I can't see why wiki should be under wiki project hawaii. I know wiki means quick in hawaiian but this article is about the type of website not the hawaiian word. Da Big Bozz 01:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Creating a wiki
I would like to request that a wiki be made. Does anyone know where/who I should ask about this? I don't think I can do it myself: firstly, I don't know how, and secondly, I have very little computer-related knowledge. I left 2 other posts like this: one on the main page talk page and one on the LOTR portal talk page. Sorry if this's a stupid/rude question. 72.72.65.127 02:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Never mind. My question has been answered on both those other pages. Thank you! 72.72.65.127 19:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wiki sales pitch
There is a very interesting article on creating a "sales pitch" for introducing a wiki system at an organization: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_sales_pitch
This article contains
- Basics (definition and history)
- Fields of Application
- Pros & Cons
- Syntax Examples
It's currently hosted by the Wikia Scratchpad, but I believe it should be moved to a more permanent (or prominent) location. Any ideas?
-- F.D. 09:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I see it has already moved to http://wikis.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_sales_pitch .
- This is the discussion page for the article wiki, not the subject of the article or the contents of articles on other wikis. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not affiliated with Wikia. This is not the correct place (or even the correct website) for discussion of Wikia pages – Qxz 08:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wiki history: the first few wiki
This article discusses the first wiki (as it should). I think this article should go on to mention something about the next few wiki. I have heard rumors that, when the second wiki (or was it the third wiki?) was set up, dozens of pages were moved (not copied) to it from the first wiki. There was some controversy between people who were glad to get rid of those pages, and other people who wanted to keep those pages on the original wiki.
Perhaps the "history" section should also compare it to other Internet forums active around that time. Usenet was the biggest internet forum at that time (and its Eternal September had just begun). h2g2, 2channel were started a few years after the first wiki.
Perhaps the "history" section could also compare it to other hypertext editing systems that were becoming popular around that time, such as HyperCard.
The names of the first few wiki were ... ? --68.0.120.35 15:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WikiIndex
WikiIndex http://www.wikiindex.org/Wiki_Index seems like the best resource for information about all the different wikis. Still needs more info and organization, but hopefully will become a central tool for us all.--69.87.200.20 15:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia Wikinfo Wikiknowledge: comparison table
Comparison table of policies and other interesting attributes of general-reference wikis in English (with over 1,000 articles).
Wikipedia | Wikinfo | Wikiknowledge | |
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Size (articles) | 1,608,984 | 35,923 (but mostly imported and little modified) |
1,812 |
traffic / SearchEngine ranking | |||
Google PageRank | 9/10 | 0/10 | 0/10 |
Average # edits per day | ~300,000 | ~50 | ~10 |
Admins/Registered users | 1,101/3,389,730 | 26/1,879 | 7/100 |
Who can edit | Anonymous | Registered only | Anonymous |
License | GFDL | CC - Creative Commons | PD - Public Domain |
Scope | general-reference | general-reference-plus | general-reference-plus |
POV | NPOV | SPOV | NPOV |
Standard | Verifiable | Truth | Truth? |
Notability | Non-Notable excluded | inclusive | inclusive |
Original Research | excluded | invited | OK |
Self-commentary | COI discouraged | permitted | ??? |
Offensive (sexual) | permitted | (unresolved) | No censorship |
Boldness | Be Bold | Be Bold, but.. | Be Bold |
Rules | Ignore the rules | Please read the rules | ?? |
Software used | MediaWiki | GetWiki | MediaWiki |
Archived by 3rd party? | Many unofficial mirrors | ?? | No |
database download published online | Yes | ?? | No |
Notes: Statistics as of 29jan07. If they are more than 30 days out of date, please update them.
Anonymous - OpenEdit - Anyone can edit content, without registration
Registered only - LoginToEdit - Registration required
GFDL - GNU Free Documentation License[3]
NPOV - Neutral point of view[4]
SPOV - Sympathetic point of view[5]
COI - Conflict of interest[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/ ... http://www.wikinfo.org/ ... http://www.wikiknowledge.net/wiki/
other: http://opencycle.vacommunity.net/ 61 pages
future questions: Archived by archive.org?
Additional resources: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis ... http://www.wikiindex.org/Wiki_Index
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.87.200.20 (talk) 15:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
- Hmmm. Given that Wikiknowledge doesn't even have an article here (and 1,812 articles isn't a lot, smaller than some fairly obscure language editions of Wikipedia), perhaps that's better avoided. Also, this article is about wikis, not general-reference wikis specifically. A better place for comparisons between different Wikipedia and different encyclopedias is Wikipedia, but that already has an extensive discussion of the subject – Qxz 15:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I'd suggest Citizendium, but since that won't even let you register unless you have a PhD in everything, it's hardly the same sort of project. Perhaps it would be better if any 'comparison' that is made compares a range of wikis used for different purposes. Reference is not the only use of a wiki; the first wikis were communities too, and in some cases that's the main purpose of a wiki. I'm not a great fan of tables when a few paragraphs of text would suffice, either – Qxz 15:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Talk page redirect
Why does talk page redirect to this article? —tregoweth (talk) 20:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Do you have a better suggestion for a target (bearing in mind that redirecting articles to project pages seems to be discouraged)? – Qxz 18:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] more vandalism
I saw a line appear saying "nerds are still cool" i came back 2 minutes later, and someone must have repaired it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paul527 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
- Yes, they did. This article gets quite a bit of that, unfortunately, but it's usually fixed quickly – Qxz 18:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Starting a Wiki
I couldn't see this in the article, how can someone like me start a Wiki? Me and other people at this messageboard would like to start a Wiki where we can decide what the rules and guidelines are, and have articles the way we want. TJ Spyke 05:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- A number of wiki hosting services are available, some free and some not; see Wiki farm, List of wiki farms and Comparison of wiki farms – Qxz 18:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "?
The example of HTML uses the entity "
instead of the literal character "
several times, making the HTML look more complex than necessary and distorting comparison to the MediaWiki syntax. Why is this necessary? (The question disappeared into the archive without an answer.) --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 18:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- No idea. I've changed it; if anyone does have a good explanation for it being how it was, feel free to change it back – Qxz 18:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Never-Ending Challenge
Knowledge consists of verifiable FACTS and the opinions, perspectives, interpretations, and tentative conclusions upon which individual concious beings choose to reach their conclusions.
There are many areas of knowledge where the facts are relatively indisputable; there are also many areas where all the relevant facts are yet to be known and, thus, disputes as to each individuals conclusions abound.
My perspective of Wikipedia is that it is not only a resource of facts, but also a forum where one can express one's individual perspectives on those 'facts' which are less than verifiable.
To those users of this resource who view themselves as the arbitrary and capricious determiners of which perspectives are to be shared and which are to be discarded, for whatever less than intelligent reasons, I simply suggest that they restrain themselves from participating in the unhelpful behaviors which deny those curious, open-minded and wonder-filled living entities the opportunity to share and explore the thoughts, reasonings and ideas of their peers. There are plenty of 'blogs' on the www where one can be as mischevious and disruptive as one pleases; seek your own like-minded kind and enjoy your days and let those who wish to share their knowledge of the world with others enjoy theirs.
- This is the discussion page for wiki, an article about wikis in general, and not Wikipedia in particular. Furthermore, discussion pages are also intended for discussion of the article, not the subject of the article. If you have a point to make, please take it to a more appropriate venue – Qxz 08:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] largest wiki
The article says, The English-language Wikipedia is the largest wiki.. According to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis , it isn't. Qweki is the largest, if we're going by the most articles (which is too bad because it's essentially a spam bank). Wikipedia, however, is the largest encyclopedia wiki. Can someone help me rewrite that, as well as the subsequent sentence. W3stfa11/Talk to me 04:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Create your own Wiki
I was wondering if I would be able to get information on how to create my own Wiki page? Like, I was interested in implementing one for a project me and my group were working on and I would love for it to be a wiki. Can anyone please give me any information regarding this? If it is possible to create the wiki and furthermore have it look/operate like Wikipedia, that would be fantastic. Thankyou. AnujSuper9 05:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)