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[edit] Soe=/Su
I have been having a conversation with a prominent australian editor who is in indonesia at the moment who is moving articles due to their spelling being in not what he is finding as he travels in Indonesia. In other words he is not finding the pre-1972 spelling in anything he sees while is in country - and is subsequently moving articles - Suharto and Soebandrio so far. I have tried to explain from my perspective where I think a non-indonesian speaking user of wikipedia needs help if they do not know about the spelling change - might just need the old spelling in the first sentence of the article at least. I would much prefer some of our other project members to offer their thoughts on the usage of the pre-1972 spelling in persons names (or not) as I am obviously just one user questioning changes - do all names in this Indonesian wikipedia project that have soe- get changed to su, do we acknowledge that some older names might still be known by the soe rather than the su? I would appreciate some feedback on this, as I might be wrong in my bothering the editor - and would like to see whether I need to apologise for my interfering with his cleaning up things, or otherwise find that we have indeed have an issue over the variant spelling issue... SatuSuro 00:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
For anyone not sure what I am on about or where to find discussion - see the spelling - orthography issue - at [1] is a good start... SatuSuro 00:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not really expert in this. I don't have any particular preference, but yeah current spelling is usually used. Perhaps in the lead we should also mentioning former spelling, as in candi with chandi. It's also the same case with Nusa kambangan when Michael moved it into Kambangan island. Nusa is a former name of pulau, so it is correct from the outsider (non-Indonesian) point of view but it would not familiar by Indonesian people. That's only my 2 cents. — Indon (reply) — 08:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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- if you try to write so officialy you must use EYD. any article who after EYD must use EYD any school in indonesia have priorty about language teach so there mean no people are not familiar with eyd. Like soeharto become suharto this more proper cause this after eyd even there conflict about that, if you want right that it must be use EYD right spell.Daimond 15:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Coats of Arms
Lots of the Province pages have no 'logo' in their infoboxes. Is there any reason why I shouldn't take the images from the Bahasa Indonesia Wiki here and upload them to Commons with the PD-IDGov tag as used with Image:West_Sumatra_coa.svg? The ID one's are all uploaded under fair use rationale, but I don't think the source is listed. I suppose that could be a problem as I don't know where the original images come from. If I were to create svg versions of the ID images, would that be legit? Not much of an expert on these matters.--Bwmodular 15:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- In my experience the quality of the ones on the Indonesian wikiproject sometimes isn't too good. The provincial government websites often contain a page which has the logo (lambang) and an explanation of the meaning of it, so this is probably the best source. Being government websites I presume PD-IDGov is ok to use. (MichaelJLowe 20:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC))
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- The provincial govt websites were my first port of call (If you mean the 'go.id' pages, such as Bengkulu and Lampung) but the pictures on those pages aren't much better - pretty low resolution, and often with a multicoloured background which will take some editing out. (BTW Neither of these pages seem to be available at this moment, but they certainly were yesterday - West Java is there OK though.) I've also looked at the regional pages on the main govt website, such as Lampungbut again, the pictures are pretty low res. Are these the sites you're referring to? --Bwmodular 11:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. I guess it depends upon the website, but you are right it is quite patchy. My experience is mostly with the West Sumatran cities and regencies. I think there are some which are ok to use, such as [2], [3], [4], etc. An additional approach would be to ask an admin to recover the previously deleted images on the EN wikipedia and slap the PD-IDGov tag on them? (MichaelJLowe 11:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC))
- I think from memory some were better here. SatuSuro should be able to provide advise on admin issues. (MichaelJLowe 11:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC))
- The provincial govt websites were my first port of call (If you mean the 'go.id' pages, such as Bengkulu and Lampung) but the pictures on those pages aren't much better - pretty low resolution, and often with a multicoloured background which will take some editing out. (BTW Neither of these pages seem to be available at this moment, but they certainly were yesterday - West Java is there OK though.) I've also looked at the regional pages on the main govt website, such as Lampungbut again, the pictures are pretty low res. Are these the sites you're referring to? --Bwmodular 11:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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- reviewing the latest on this page i noted my moniker being mentioned - I have just the admin for you - I'll drop a note... :) SatuSuro 12:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Great - I've also found that a google image search for lambang produces some good quality images, although I have to sift through lots of irrelevant images to find the provincial ones. If we can restore the deleted ones and then I'll try and find better quality ones for any that need improving. And I'll give them all a transparent background if they don't already have one.--Bwmodular 12:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you weren't doing it already, a Google search by site may be useful, eg. "site:go.id" (MichaelJLowe 12:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC))
- That plus Image:Logo Nad.jpg (MichaelJLowe 14:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC))
- OK, as you can see from my sandbox we now have a copy of every provincial logo except for Papua Barat. If you can find one for there, do upload it. The West Sulawesi logo is very poor quality, so keep your eyes open for a better quality copy of that one also. --Bwmodular 22:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Will try to find the logo. BTW, here's a useful site I found which has details on provinces, cities and regencies of Indonesia: [5], [6] (MichaelJLowe 23:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Syahrir Wiki Page
Hello, Turning to Indonesian experts on Wiki to see if they can help in the cleaning up, or editing of Syahrir's page. I initially tagged it as a vanity page since it's very non-Wiki in style and it only seems that two people who are connected to Syahrir are maintaining it. Could someone with Wiki and Indonesian skills visit the page and add positive contributions?
NOTE: While I was typing this in, the page in reference was indeeded deleted. But if there is an admin here who can access the deletion and look it over, it would be appreciated. The related user talk for the user Syahrir page is here. Thanks! BaseballDetective 08:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- The article should be Sutan Sjahrir. I am going to redirect the page. — Indon (reply) — 08:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the quick response, but doing that might cause more confussion. We're talking about two different people. The Sjahrir in question in the article that was deleted was a political dissident jailed in 1974 and active in current politics [7]. Please see what we can do to give this Syahrir a valid Wiki pressence. BaseballDetective 09:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DAB links in Infobox
I've just added an infobox to the NBT province page. No matter how I try, I can't get the capital to display as Mataram, but to point to Mataram (city). If you use the normal syntax, Mataram (city)|Mataram it displays as Mataram (city). I've tried all sorts, but can't get it working. Am I being dumb, or is this a problem with infoboxes in general? Never noticed it before.--Bwmodular 12:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Its a problem with this specific infobox. I will fix it, but it will mean that all the existing capital names need to be enclosed with [[ ]] characters. (MichaelJLowe 13:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Wake up!!
Somebody has jut put {{inactive}} on our project because of only four edits in a month. Wake up guys!! :-) — Indon (reply) — 07:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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- How to deal with low level activity time - there is probably a need for the more active members to at least put something in at least every week... simply to keep the project from becoming stagnant. There is still so much to do in the project SatuSuro 13:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
