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[edit] Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire

I have been fixing up the article and I nominated it for GA status, but the article could be a lot more than it is. So, if people know of any interviews or stuff that have good info for the page, please feel free to add it. -- Scorpion 00:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Of the top of my head I remember them saying in the DVD commentary that they got a lot of letters, which applauded them for highlighting the issue of abandoned race dogs. This could go in the reception section, which is a bit thin. I can't remember much more material. Are we going for FA with this article? If so I could do some research, but I don't have all that much time to spare. --Maitch 17:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

We could, but I was thinking Homer's Enemy would also be a good one. -- Scorpion 18:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I personally am going to nominate Homer's Phobia, provding Cape Feare passes. And either this and/or Homer's Enemy would be good. Gran2 18:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Homer's Phobia is probably the article most likely to become a FA. The reason I asked about Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire becoming was that it is an important episode, but we may not have enough material for it. --Maitch 18:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

We could eventually try for an FA for it as there are so many old interviews out there that we probably would be able to put something good together for the page. -- Scorpion 20:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's great that we're working so hard on the episode pages, but I think for the time being, we should start focusing on the family members. I recently did a mass cleaning of the Maggie Simpson page but it still has a long way to go. -- Scorpion 20:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

So are we going to collaborate on Bart Simpson next week? --Maitch 20:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I was actually thinking that we should work on Marge, Lisa or Matt Groening. I submitted it to be the collaboartion on the week and I wanted to wait and see if that went anywhere before working on it. -- Scorpion 01:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's do Lisa Simpson then. I think she is more important than Marge and the Matt Groening article is fairly decent. --Maitch 12:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matt Groening

I recently read this article and finds it pretty good. I think that if we spend just a little bit of time on it, it could become a GA. --Maitch 18:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll see what I can do. -- Scorpion 20:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Night

I have made a page for the Ullman short "Good Night" because I figured that it is individually notable since it marks the Simpsons debut on network television. It needs work though. -- Scorpion 19:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Is that really needed? All you did was copying information from The Simpsons shorts. I don't think it needs to be a separate article. --Maitch 19:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I copied info for the time being, but I'm going to work on it. I figured being the first appearance of the family is pretty notable. I wasn't sure about it either because 1) it opens the possibility that people will create pages for the other Ullman shorts and 2) a lot of the info would be copied. Give me a few days to work on it, then we'll see. BTW, check out this page, which was created so that Simpsons Roasting wouldn't have any red links (thats what the edit summary says). I've asked the creator to nom it for speedy. -- Scorpion 20:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

A while back I worked on The Simpsons shorts. The goal was to bring to the standards of a featured list, but I got bored. Anyway, I don't believe there is anymore to say. --Maitch 20:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I actually looked at this page while it was being vandalized. refresh and something weird comes up. i reverted it all.--Andy mci 09:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Travelling in The Simpsons proposed for deletion

Travelling in The Simpsons is proposed for deletion. If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. Someone put it up because they feel the page is "total listcruft and indiscriminate". --The Dark Side 23:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it? I now see nothing mentioning deletion on the article or its talk page. I do not think it's a standalone topic for an article - it's a curiosity, but on its own, I can't discern why this theme (among all their other prominent themes) warrants its own article. Clearly much knowledge and time was spent on this work, and I don't want to see it wasted. Let's determine where it can best be merged, perhaps? LeSaint 01:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monitoring articles

I was thinking about how we could monitor all of the articles related to this project without bumping up our watchlist to 800 pages. I managed to find a solution with this link: Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:SimpsonWikiProject. The beauty of this solution is that it keeps updated as long as our pages are tagged. I had to delink some of the links in the to-do list in order to reduce the clutter, but it is worth it considering it is now possible to keep track of those IPs who makes crap edits. --Maitch 17:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that will make things considerably easier although it seems that it isn't very up to date because I've made changes to several Simpsons related pages and none of them are mentioned there. Several pages have become even more chaotic than before after last nights episode, especially Cletus, the recurring characters and Chalmers. Also, watch for possible new pages for the new kids. It sounds like a long-shot, but you wouldn't believe some of the pages that have been created in the past (Dolores Montenegro, Esquilax, Iggy Wiggum, Señor Spielbergo, Carstairs family) AND, there also were pages for EVERY SINGLE ONE of Cletus's kids from the Twisted World of Marge. [1] -- Scorpion 17:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The worst I can remember is an article for the store "Shøp". I don't know it is not completely up to date. Usually it takes time to update the cache when templates are involved. --Maitch 18:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Forget it, it doesn't work the way I thought it did. If we can make a page that links to all our pages, then we can make it work. --Maitch 18:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is a new link: Special:Recentchangeslinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/All articles. This should work for all articles. The problem is that there are too many edits to monitor. --Maitch 19:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh boy, at least 300 Simpson related pages were edited during the last 24 hours. That is crazy. We don't stand a chance to monitor all those edits. --Maitch 19:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yokel Chords

One guy keeps adding that The Simpsons is a racist show because they depicted a raccoon being hung. He claims it's a huge controversy because a couple bloggers and his friends are offended. I say it's not a controversy unless it's called that by major news outlets. He says I'm a vandal. Am I just crazy here, or is this not notable? Help would be greatly appreciated. -- Scorpion 18:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that, its not notable, unless (as you said) a major news outlet reports it. If that does happen "which I sincerly doubt it will", then add the blogger thing back in and say "some bloggers noted this before (news corporation) reported it". Or something like that. But until that day, whenever it may be, I doesn't merit inclusion. "Cletus is, quite obviously, hanging the raccoon. This is an obvious allusion to the persecution of African-Americans who were often referred to with the derogatory, racial slur "coon" or "raccoon".? "This is an obvious allusion", and this is "obvious POV" if ever I saw it. And blogs are not a reliable source. So no, it doesn't belong in the article. Gran² 19:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, yeah. This needs to be reported by a major news outlet before it's in the article. Natalie 20:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick question

This is just a quick question refering to something I'm going to add to the lead of Homer's Phobia. Are we counting Simpson and Delilah as the first homosexual themed episode? Or is that Homer's Phobia? Gran² 17:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call that episode homosexual themed, but I think you should mention that The Simpsons already had used gay characters. Smithers comes to mind and Simpson and Delilah was probably the first episode on TV to feature two men kissing. --Maitch 18:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Smithers isn't gay, he's a Burnsosexual. Perhaps you should mention that it's the episode entire based around homosexual themes, but past episodes had included some moments, ie. Simpson and Delilah. -- Scorpion 19:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Before I add this in:

It was the first episode to revolve entirely around homosexual themes, with the later episodes "Three Gays of the Condo" and "There's Something About Marrying" the second and third respectively. Homosexuality had been hinted at before in the previous episode "Simpson and Delilah", the character of Karl (voiced by Harvey Fierstein) was shown kissing Homer. The regular character Waylon Smithers is often shown to have romantic feelings towards Montgomery Burns.

Okay? Gran² 19:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Not bad, but hows about this:

Although there had been several references to homosexuality in the series up until then, Homer's Phobia was the first episode to revolve entirely around homosexual themes. In the previous episode "Simpson and Delilah" the character of Karl (voiced by Harvey Fierstein) was shown kissing Homer, and the regular character Waylon Smithers is often shown to be in love with Montgomery Burns.

what do you think? -- Scorpion 19:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've used yours, with:

The later episodes "Three Gays of the Condo" and "There's Something About Marrying" would again center around homosexuality.

Tacked on the end. Gran² 20:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ralph Wiggum (song)

I'm not sure if this is our territory or not, but I was wondering if anyone thinks this article is necessary. It apparantly wasn't released as a single and the article doesn't contain any information that isn't in the article for the album it's featured in. The creators justification for the articles existance is the fact that it is the only song based entirely on Simpsons quotes (or so they claim).

I also think this article will be a big cruft magnet because people will start adding what episode every single quote is from. I had tried to merge the page, but the creator objected so I left it alone for the time being, and I'm trying to decide whether or not to go for an afd. -- Scorpion 05:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, I'd leave it if I were you. I don't see any harm in it being there, as cruft can be reverted. Gran² 07:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe that article is entirely in the realm of the Bloodhound Gang. It has little if anything to do with earnest/encyclopedic/legitimate documentation of the Simpsons, Ralph Wiggum, etc., and in no way differs from the endless other pop culture vehicles which reference or sample the Simpsons. It's not something The Simpsons did, in other words. Perhaps worth a reference in an appropriate index of Simpsons references, but not our territory... LeSaint 01:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with LeSaint. I don't think it is within the scope of this project. If we are going to include stuff that makes references to The Simpsons, then we will get thousands of pages. --Maitch 12:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Grimes

Somebody has decided to go after Frank Grimes again and nominated the page for afd although they make it clear that they merely want it merged. I think Grimes is a pretty notable character and is certainly deserving of a page. He was more central to his one episode than dozens of secondaries have ever been. -- Scorpion 00:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

True that he is rare in that an entire episode was dedicated to him the first time we met him. But has he been mentioned.... two or three times since then? In Homer's words, "Whatever happened to that guy?" Do we have any implemented guidelines re: what constitutes a character worthy if his/her own article? LeSaint 06:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character pages

Just so people know, I think we should merge the following pages:

Declan Desmond -> Recurring characters
Drederick Tatum -> Recurring characters
Fallout Boy & Radioactive Man -> fictional characters
Hank Scorpio -> One-timers
Roger Meyers -> recurring characters
Bleeding Gums Murphy -> Recurring characters
Marvin Monroe -> Recurring characters
Herb Powell -> Simpson family
Squeaky Voiced Teen -> Recurring characters

I also thought maybe we could put Maude, Rod & Todd in a Flanders family page and Kirk & Luann VanHouten in a VanHouten family page. Thoughts? -- Scorpion 00:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and what about Jacqueline Bouvier -> Bouvier family ? Thesetrixaintforkids 01:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. I was also thinking Agnes Skinner, the Sea Captain and Bumblebee Man could also be merged. -- Scorpion 01:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I really like the idea of all the VanHoutens, etc., redirecting to a family page. It seems a logical approach to me, but if we're going to do it with those families, I see a need to do it with the others.... we really need to be consistent in character page organisation. LeSaint 06:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Declan Desmond -> Recurring characters - yes
Drederick Tatum -> Recurring characters - yes
Fallout Boy & Radioactive Man -> fictional characters - yes
Hank Scorpio -> One-timers - no, but you better do it to stop people complaining
Roger Meyers -> recurring characters - maybe, but i'm edging towards no
Bleeding Gums Murphy -> Recurring characters - no
Marvin Monroe -> Recurring characters - maybe
Herb Powell -> Simpson family - ...yes
Squeaky Voiced Teen -> Recurring characters - no

I wish we could just give everyone a page, that would be alot easier. Gran² 06:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Also I saw that the Crazy Old man has an entry on the Retirement Catle page, meaning that he can be cleared of the the recurring list. If we create more pages like that, Van Houten family, Wiggum family, Police force etc. We could simply merge characters there. Gran² 12:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

- Comment: I disagree on merging Fallout Boy and Radioactive Man because they have been the subject of comics produced by Bongo. Fallout Boy is also the name of a band, so it should at least be a disambiguation page. Therefore, I'm going to revert that merge. Mister.Manticore 22:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General style sheets

I've been looking at some of the other WikiProjects, and a lot of them have style sheets for the different articles that fall under their project. I've been thinking we need some style sheets, even though most of our articles are consistent. I thought we could make one for the episode capsules, single character pages (Homer, Marge, etc), family pages (the Van Houtens, etc), and lists. I don't know if their are any other categories we would want to consider. Thoughts? Natalie 16:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

We have started one at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Style guide, but it is nowhere near complete. I think the real problem is that while now know how to do episode articles, we are still not sure how to do character pages, family pages and lists. --Maitch 14:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAx2

Cape Feare is now an FA! Good news for us all, as I think that Homer's Phobia and Last Exit to Springfield will both pass as well. Great job Maitch, and to us all. Gran² 12:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I've actually kinda given up on Last Exit, I don't think I can get enough production info. I've basically just been improving other pages. The next one I'm going to try to get to GA status is Lisa's Wedding. Either way, good job Maitch and thanks to CanadianCaesar (although I doubt he'll see this) for his assistance. -- Scorpion 12:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I am fairly confident that Homer's Phobia will make it as well. Last Exit needs some more work. I know some stuff that could be added, but I don't have the time right now. --Maitch 13:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

As Homer's Phobia's peer review seems pretty dead I think I'll nominate it for FA in a while, once I've given it one last checking over. Gran² 15:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jon Lovitz

I padded out his Simpsons appearances chart, to the best of my ability. Please let me know if I forgot anyone. Also, fyi, there is dispute on his talk page as to whether he should be in the Simpsons Voice Actors category. LeSaint 00:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lists about Mr. Burns

I just noticed this page. Is there any need for it? It just seems like cruft that could easily be found at the Simpsons archive or some other fan site.-- Scorpion 16:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope, not needed, I seem to recall it being made to ease congestion on the Mr. Burns. Gran² 16:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I don't see why the redir, as it now exists, shouldn't be deleted. I don't see anyone typing in "Lists about Mr. Burns"... --Valley2city^‽ 03:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lisa's Wedding

I'm currently working on getting Lisa's Wedding up to GA status and I remembered that it was named the gretest episode in a poll on Sky One. However, the only source I could find is in Planet Simpson. I would prefer to have an online source, so I was wondering if anyone knew if such a source existed. -- Scorpion 22:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't find anthing at first glance, Planet Simpson should be fine if you cite the pg number. It also won the vote for best episode, or episode to be aired, on BBC2 here in the UK. I remember that, but my personal memories can't be used can they! Ah well.. Gran² 20:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who Shot Mr. Burns?

Just so people know, I split the article up into two seperate pages. The reason the two were merged in the first place is because of similar content, but I have made both pages completely different. Just about the only thing similar between the two are the leads. I wasn't sure what to call the pages, so I went by what they are called in the DVDs. -- Scorpion 02:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Good job, about time we did that. Gran² 07:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Treehouse of Horror V

Right after LW passed I thought it'd be good if we did a TOH episode, and so I've done this. Now the rest of the article is fine (or so I hope) but I was wondering about what we should do with the "spooky Halloween" names. I mean that's how they are credited but I don't know. Currently I have them in the infobox, but not the lead, whcih I thought seemed the best idea. Any views? Gran² 20:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe just note it in the lead, "The writers, by credited "spooky name" are ____, ____, ____" and add a link to each one. -- Scorpion 16:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice article, but I would leave them out. Basically, I don't think we should try and retell jokes. --Maitch 18:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you could make them a list article, maybe List of Simspons cast spooky names or something, then each section is TOHI, TOHII, TOHIII, etc... and just make it a simple list of the person's real name and spooky name... - Adolphus79 19:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I was thinking, maybe we could create/suggest a Simpsons Barnstar? I mean there is a TV one, but then there is a more specific Doctor Who one. Not to mention the Harry Potter, Star Wars and Pokemon ones. It might also help us get a few more productive participants. I mean I don't know whether we should, or really how to go about it, but any ideas? Gran² 12:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. We have a very long list of participants, but most of them are not very active in project activities. Also, if we could convert some of those people who add trivia and stuff to decent editors, we wouldn't have so much work to do. --Maitch 20:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

As of right now, there aren't that many active participants, but I wouldn't have a problem with creating a barnstar. -- Scorpion 05:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

A Simpson's Barnstar would be awesome... - Adolphus79 19:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Supervising directors

I have created a List of directors of The Simpsons and I was going to note the Supervising directors and other animation related staff, but I couldn't find a listat the Simpsons Archive. And IMDB isn't always the most reliable source when it comes to specific jobs. -- Scorpion 17:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAx3

I just wanted to congratulate Gran on Homer's Phobia becoming a FA. I believe now that this project is the leading television show project on Wikipedia. The Pokemon project only has two FAs and one of them is about to loose its status. --Maitch 20:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I do believe it is the leading project now, and we should continue to get more and more GAs, and some FAs, as our formula for episode pages is now considered spot on. Gran² 21:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

They still have more GAs than us... But not for long. -- Scorpion 03:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wewt...

Gratz on all the work everyone, and welcome all the new project members... sorry I disappeared for a while, I was moving, and now currently only have limited internet access... hopefully now I'll be editing at least semi-regularly... if there is anything ya'll want me to work on, let me know... - Adolphus79 02:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back. You could help us get some more episode GAs if you like. -- Scorpion 03:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back. The project is in better shape than before you left, but there are still a lot of pages to clean up or get to GA/FA status. --Maitch 15:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I think you left before I joined, but its good to see that there is someone else who can help us. Gran² 15:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

/me cracks knuckles... Yeah... it's good to be back... still getting caught up after being gone almost 9 months, you guys have done an awesome job with the project... I was surprised to see how much has been done... Wewt on the FAs and GAs... I'll try to get working again (even if I'm stuck on dialup atm), I noticed a couple Top importance articles that are still low on the quality scale... - Adolphus79 19:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm on dialup too. You get used to it after a while. I'd love to see more character articles reach GA and FA status, but sourcing is very important. I do work on the Maggie article from time to time. -- Scorpion 19:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images...

Just wondering... why don't we make a 'Category:The Simpsons images', and tag each of the images with it? - Adolphus79 21:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems that there is: Category:The Simpsons images, but not many images are tagged wih it. Gran² 21:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

hmm... cool... well I'll have to take a look at that then... - Adolphus79 22:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 8 episode list

I am participating in your drive to make season 8 a featured topic (btw I think it is bold to pick the season with the largest number of episodes) with getting The Simpsons (season 8) up to featured status. I have looked into it and the episode list task force at the television WikiProject recommends using {{Episode list}}. If you go through the other featured episode lists you will see that they are using it. We are using our own template, which is basically the inverse of {{Episode list}}. I have done a test so you can see what it would look liked if we switched templates at User:Maitch/draft1 or you can see the List of South Park episodes.

The question is, should we switch template? --Maitch 14:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

From the point of view of being uniform yes, it gives it a better chance of passing, but personally the Episode list template doesn't look very good to me. But there we go, I think we shoudl probaly switch. Gran² 15:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

We chose Season 8 because it has an FA, 3 GAs and another one close to FA status. As for your qustion, I like the Simpsons template better and if we change it, it would change the standardization of the season pages. -- Scorpion 16:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Note that Episode list is designed to be flexible, yet optimized for inclusion and protected from editing (because of the huge amount of inclusions). It also allows to quickly remove all the Fair Use images if concensus on that is ever to be reached, which actually is a again under debate atm. However, using your own template probably won't hold you from reaching FA status, but I think it would be something that would come up: "if it's so similiar, might as well use the general one". --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 18:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I would basically like to add the writers and directors to the list, so the format has to change anyway. The other template already allows this, but the style is different. --Maitch 20:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SNPP Capsule Issues 28/03/07

I altered the main template for the Simpson's epsisode Infobox to change the capsule links within the infoboxes to use the .html file extensions proceeding the production code defined within the Episode's wiki. I have not tested an excessive amount of episodes yet but the ones I tested did work, notably the ones that did not work before the change. Particularly episodes Kamp Krusty and Homer the Heretic did not work prior to this change. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Myden (talk • contribs).

[edit] 7-11 & Kwik-E Mart...

I just heard on Attack of The Show that in response to The Simpsons Movie, 7-11 is going to rename several of their stores to Kwik-E Mart... has anyone else heard this, or possibly seen it somewhere so we can source it and add it to The Simpsons Movie and Kwik-E-Mart? - Adolphus79 23:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Wiki-newbie has posted one of The Simpson Movie's talk page. Gran² 18:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does anyone have Nancy Cartwright's Autobiography?

Because I am wondering if this piece of trivia from Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala(Annoyed Grunt)cious is true.

"Julie Andrews was the original choice to portray Shary Bobbins but Nancy Cartwright mentions in her autobiography that after hearing Maggie Roswell's reading, the producers cast her in the role instead. "

And while I'm at it, does anyone know of a source for this: "In the "Making Of..." feature on the Kill Bill Volume 2 DVD, Quentin Tarantino can be seen wearing a t-shirt with his Simpsons likeness and quote pictured on the front."

I don't think this is mentioned in the DVD commentary, but in one Season 8 episode commentary (I can't remember which), they mention that a big name gues star was brought in for a Season 8 episode but replaced. I have also heard this rumour on various sites, but I need a good source. -- Scorpion 19:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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