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Z: (in the Guevara discussion) three points

(1) Your analogy to Geronimo may be far more apt than intended. Since Geronimo was a leader of the Apaches, whose reputation and apparently real record of rape, torture and murder exceeded even the loose mores of the times. BTW there is a link to Cuba since Leonard Wood got his medal of honor for the capture of Geronimo (it is said he was only marginally involved in it)

(2) The said romance with Zoila must have occurred in the quite luxurious headquarters veranda and all that the Che had ordered constructed for himself at that dreadful cold place called Las Minas del Frio. Shades of Mao riding a litter during the Long March


(3) There are now even more questions about the location of Guevara's remains [1]. El Jigue 208.65.188.149 22:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC) -- Zleitzen(talk) 20:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFA

Hi Zleitzen, thanks for your support with my RFA, it was successful! Thanks :) SGGH 20:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Good news.-- Zleitzen(talk) 20:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ronald Reagan Peer Review

Hi there. Thanks for your comment for Ronald Reagan's peer review. If you have the time, or the want to help out, could you tell me (on the Peer Review page) what you think does not belong in the lead? I think it's time to start working on it again, and your suggestions would really be appreciated. Thanks, Happyme22 15:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fabian tactics at Bay of Pigs Invasion page

In what surely is not a process of Fabian alterations, the reference to (Paz-Sanchez, 2001, pp 189-199) was removed. No claim of malice can be inferred from that; however, such a tactic could be used to claim there is no reference to the particular point made (the introduction of Soviet Block military advisors into Cuba); and then in a third step the complete topic could be removed. Let is be "careful out there!" El Jigue 208.65.188.149 15:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

EJ that page is now a complete bomb site. The references section has collapsed - and I can barely look at it I'm afraid. My last edit to that page was to remove an addition that said Ciutat de Miguel had his penis cut off!-- Zleitzen(talk) 20:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Z: "be afraid very afraid" very soon claiming POV, bad references etc., I fear it will be rewritten to avoid mention of Castro's foreign advisors, the 300,000 political arrests, the adjacent fighting in the Escambray mountains, Castro's thousands of militia casualities, the executions etc. Well that is what you get when you bring in Soviet advisors who fought on the Eastern front in WWII...BTW a listing of Cubans dead in South Africa has surfaced....about 5,000 El Jigue 3-26-07208.65.188.149 03:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello EJ. Any sources regarding African deaths are welcome, there is a real dearth of material on wikipedia about those ventures. Regarding Bay of Pigs, please keep working on those ref formats - at present it looks terrible and your entries are hanging on by the skin of their teeth! Remember that if you reference something correctly, provided it is to a source that meets WP:V - you have nothing to worry about. -- Zleitzen(talk) 03:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I've made an amendment to fix one of your refs. For some reason it turned the reference section into gobbledygook.-- Zleitzen(talk) 03:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Cuba

Just ran across it and say what a terrific job you have done! Has your personality changed? (Your signature looks like you are bi-polar now.) Regards, --Mattisse 23:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Matisse. The signature may have changed, but the person remains as grumpy as ever.-- Zleitzen(talk) 23:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Looks like a Christmas tree. I think you have changed! (Must be for the better as you talent is obvious and standing out.) --Mattisse 00:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japan FAC

Ok, I went absolutely mental and added God-knows how many citations. I think I dealt with what was on your list and much, much more. If there is anything specific you still want dealt with please let me know via my talk page. Otherwise a change of vote would of course be appreciated. John Smith's 00:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

As I asked on the FAC page, please look at the article again. The matters you discussed in your last post were dealt with. As I have said, most citations deal with the other points - the page would look horrid if every other sentance had a small bracketed number at the end.
You started off by complaining about paragraphs with no citations. Ok, no problem. But I don't see any more - so where's the problem? John Smith's 16:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
"Despite early resistance, Buddhism was promoted by the ruling class and eventually gained growing acceptance since the Asuka period." This is cited - please strikethough. John Smith's 17:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
More citations added. John Smith's 15:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Final batch of citations added. John Smith's 23:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Citation added and text trimmed - please remove your objection. John Smith's 10:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Zleitzen, thank you so much for the Barnstar, I really appreciate it. I am committed at creating and improving all Hispanic articles, specially HIspanic Lit. Thanks again.--Charleenmerced Talk 03:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Charleenmerced

[edit] Thanks, too

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Infernal Noise Brigade: thanks. Would you agree with me that nominating a longstanding article for deletion without so much as a question on the talk page first is rather drastic? - Jmabel | Talk 18:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jmabel. It was only because I saw your name as main contributor that I took an interest in the article. If it had been a less established or former editor I imagine it could have been deleted without contest. At least the nominator had the manners to inform you on your talk page, and then withdraw the nom after notability had been established. But it shows that you have to bolt everything to the floor these days to ensure someone doesn't sweep it up and throw good work away!-- Zleitzen(talk) 02:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Otto Katz and Fabio Grobart

Z: One wonders at the relationships between Fabio Grobart and Otto Katz. Koch, Stephen. 1994 (2004 edition) Double Lives. Enigma Press, New York ISBN 1929631200 103-104, 346-349 and others. From 103 states " He (Otto Katz) is known to have worked closely there (Mexico City) with the long time NKVD chieftain Umansky, spending the war (WW II) much involved in Soviet operations within the United States and the Caribbean, working among other things with Fidel Castro's predecessor, Fulgencio Batista. Batista was at this time much admired and promoted by the left, and Katz was empowered to make Batista grand offers on behalf of the Soviet Union if Batista would enter Stalin's sphere of influence. (footnoted to Otto Katz, FOIA dossier #65-9266) Have you run across anything on this El Jigue 208.65.188.149 14:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello EJ, I know very little about these murky figures I'm afraid. -- Zleitzen(talk) 06:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wording in Cuba page

There is some wording in Cuba page that seems to need rephrasing (surprise (:>) in reference to the Bay of Pigs:

it now reads:

"The result was the disastrous Bay of Pigs Invasion of April 1961. President John Kennedy withdrew promised US air support for the invading force at the last minute and the populist anti-Castro uprising failed to materialize. Kennedy refused direct American military intervention and the invasion force was routed. This prompted Castro to declare Cuba a socialist republic, and himself a Marxist-Leninist in May of 1961."


The phrasing "This prompted Castro to declare..." implies a causal effect...rather than a declaration of the obvious. Perhaps a better statement and more NPOV might be such as "In May of 1961 Castro declare Cuba a socialist republic, and himself a Marxist-Leninist." After all, modern scholarship strongly indicates that Fabio Grobart recruited as Fidel Castro in 1948.


BTW It seems that Otto Katz always claimed he was the first husband of Marlene Dietrich Cockburn Claud 2006 (accessed 3-29-07) Scenes from the Spanish Civil War. Counterpunch August 1, 2006 http://www.counterpunch.org/claud08012006.html “Otto Katz -- who was now internationally known as Andre Simon -- was a propagandist of genius. He had started his working life as cashier of a theater in Teplitz, where Marlene Dietrich worked at some very early age. Katz -- whether truthfully or untruthfully, I do not know -- always claimed to have been the first husband of Marlene Dietrich. I do know that whereas in every other connection you could call him a liar, hypocrite and ruffian of every description without his turning a hair, if you appeared to doubt this assertion about Marlene he would fly into a passion, white with rage. It is true that he made love to every good-looking woman he met and was a great deal more than averagely successful. He was a middle-sized man with a large, slightly cadaverous bead in which the skull bones were unusually prominent. He had large melancholy eyes, a smile of singular sweetness and an air of mystery -- a mystery into which he was prepared to induct you, you alone, because be loved and esteemed you so highly.”

Apparently while Fabio Grobart was at the Moscow Latin American Desk in the 1930-40s it seems that Otto Katz was taking his place, for instance....

Koch, Stephen. 1994 (2004 edition) Double Lives. Enigma Press, New York ISBN 1929631200 103-104, 346-349 and others. From 103 " He (Otto Katz) is known to have worked closely there (Mexico City) with the long time NKVD chieftain Umansky, spending the war (WW II) much involved in Soviet operations within the United States and the Caribbean, working among other things with Fidel Castro's predecessor, Fulgencio Batista. Batista was at this time much admired and promoted by the left, and Katz was empowered to make Batista grand offers on behalf of the Soviet Union if Batista would enter Stalin's sphere of influence. (footnoted to Otto Katz, FOIA dossier #65-9266)

One wonders if we will ever know the complete truth about all this....what I find strange is that while Katz was hung by Stalin in 1952, Grobart survived...

El Jigue 3-30-07208.65.188.149 19:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Will take a look EJ, I don't really like that history section very much but have no desire to begin the monumental task of reforming it.-- Zleitzen(talk) 17:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the peer review

Hello Zleitzen. I did some minor changes in the article, including the extension of the lead up to two paragraphs. They might have some grammar and syntactic mistakes, but I think they are a good summary of the whole article. Check it out when you can. By the way, thank you for your help. Dalobuca 19:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I will give the Eugenio Espejo a good read soon, Dalobuca and add some thoughts. Thanks for your note.-- Zleitzen(talk) 20:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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