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Contents 1 Ian King 2 Congratulations 3 Thanks 4 Ian King 5 Armenian community of Dhaka

[edit] Ian King

I'm having trouble finding sources for it. Why don't you post it at WP:AWNB and see if they can help out and save it. Cause if he has "trained world-class athletes on four continents" then there must be stuff floating around that will help him pass the criteria. DXRAW 17:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• I have responded on Talk:Ian King. I believe the main problem is that no one checked the book he authored to begin with, otherwise his qualification to write it with Lou Schuler wouldn't have been questioned. Regardless, the AfD has been relisted to generate further discussion: you have not removed these claims earlier, and I really feel it's inappropriate to do so now during the AfD. Kind regards, --Greatwalk 04:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

First of all, congratulations for your successive DYKs. Please keep it up. I will have a look at Shahbag, although I may not be able to do much. As regards Education in Bangladesh, I thought of one little advice. In India, the Bachelor of Education courses have a book on History of Education in India as part of their syllabus. I am sure it would be similar in Bangladesh. If you can lay hands on such a book for Bangladesh, you will get plenty of references. With regards -- P.K.Niyogi 02:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the kind words on my talk page. As you can see, the Ian King article is no more. I think there is a philosophical debate going on between editors at Wiki...sort of Type A/Type B differences of opinion: Some believe, with enough culling and standards maintenance, Wiki will eventually become a 'capital -E'- Encyclopedic material, while others believe that Wiki's main claim to fame will always be that its articles are the first thing to come up in a search engine...so the articles have to be catchy and informative ( 'small-e'-encyclopedic material, if you will). I fall into the latter category, because most editors (in my observation) are too young, and the vast majority of editors are too inexperienced, to make Wiki anything else. I think Wiki does what it does really well, though...and that it's a great opportunity to put back into the WWW in a meaninful way. That said, I feel this article was sourced well enough for more conservative subject matter, but, because 'body-building' looks a bit tacky, these sources weren't deemed notable enough. I feel the article did, in fact, meet Wiki standards, but obviously never would have been included in Encyclopedia Britanica (which, I feel, is outside Wikipedia's scope.)

I'm sorry I didn't respond to your query and will do so now...I suspect this is a fundamental difference in opinion on how to interpret what appears to be purposefully broad guidelines provided by Wiki. Specifically, while I understand that you believe it is in a publisher's best interest to promote their authors, I do not agree it is in a publisher's best interest to falsify information about their authors, and in particular (since any book is a publisher's investment), it is not in any publisher's best interest to sign on an author that has made false claims about their background. I also disagreed that I had provided Amazon.com's assessment of the book as reference. The published work itself provides that information, it is an offline reference by nature, and the only online reference I had available was the amazon.com resaler. This is a confusion that constantly takes place with editors, I find: Offline reference material is valid too, and a reference to a book sold at amazon.com is not an amazon.com reference, per se. Sometimes the description available does tend to verify that the book contains certain content, though.

Secondly, I looked at Google references to the co-author of Ian King's Muscle book, and at references to the people who were paying attention to Ian King. Lou Schuler has co-written a published work with Ian King, Tom Venuto recommends most of Ian King's books second-to-none (including his own) and an interview with Ian King by Rob Wilkins has been included in almost every online body-building site available. This is a fairly quick Google search... so my question is...I can verify that these people are notable contributors to their field, and they all credit an older athlete (Ian King) as important, and some verify the claim about training athletes, etc. This seems notable to me, by Wiki standards (not necessarily my own)...and your concern that this is somehow all self-generated promotion, or false promotional claims made by profiteers seems highly unlikely to me.

I think there was call to ask for the article to be cleaned up, but not deleted. There were enough references to validate the minimal claims made, and certainly that a more knowledgeable person would eventually be able to source properly ...as always, the need to WP:Cleanup is not grounds for WP:Deletion and while your call to have the article improved was the right move, that call should never have been subject to a time-limit... IMO, the article should have been left for a qualified editor to say more, in their own time.

Thank you again for your kind words of support...they are much appreciated. You are also (by far) the most tactful and diplomatic editor I've had a disagreement with since I've been here...and as soon as I find just the right barnstar (I've been looking), I'll send one to you. Kind regards, --Greatwalk 07:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• LOL...Ok, on your advice I'll save looking for a barnstar. Seriously, if you're wondering why people don't respond to straight quotes of Wiki guidelines, your reply could give a few clues: I write about our differences in interpretation of guidelines, and you reply with (more) Wiki quotes and indisputable red-herrings ( "(it's) not about truth, but verifiable facts..." ).  :-)
  

No worries...and thanks for tips and the kind words. Whether it's your habit or not, they are much appreciated and do make a difference. Kind regards, --Greatwalk 22:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ian King

Ian King is an Australian, hence the article being listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia for the benefit of other Australian editors who may be able to provide a rationale for keeping the article. It could potentially be listed within a sports related deletion sorting page also, but I don't frequent sports articles all that often and am not aware of a similar deletion sorting page for the purpose. The article btw was eventually deleted. -- Longhair\^talk 11:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You could always use Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia as a template, and edit accordingly for your intended project. -- Longhair\^talk 12:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian community of Dhaka

Sure, how can I assist you with the article? - Fedayee 18:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)