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Contents 1 DYK 2 DYK 3 WP:NC(GN) 4 Do Not Ignore 5 Do not remove sourced sections 6 Cfd 7 Image copyright problem with Image:Albanian_stone.jpg 8 Azerbaijan People's Government 9 Gardash 10 Image copyright problem with Image:Vagif-mausoleum-and-tomb.jpg 11 History of Karabakh 12 Blocked 13 Muchas gracias 14 Question about the Mountain Jews 15 Grandmaster... 16 Thanks 17 Thousands of fair use images at your disposal 18 Re: Azeris 19 Need help for Casualties of World War I 20 Nakhichevan 21 List of Azerbaijanis 22 Hey man 23 How the hell is this vandalism?! 24 3RR block 25 Thanks for the feedback 26 Re: Yerevan 27 Wikilogos 28 RfC 29 Azeri 30 2007 31 Azerbaijan (Iran) 32 Happy New Year 33 Paytakaran 34 Paytakaran (2nd section) 35 Arbitration 36 Mediation 37 Karki in Nakhichevan 38 User "Azerbaijani" any admin payin attention?! 39 Jalil Gholizadeh 40 Compromise on Azerbaijan 41 Unspecified source for Image:Alekperov.jpg 42 Azeri people 43 Request 44 Request for Mediation 45 Re: Persianization Artilce 46 Question 47 September Days 48 Rasulzade 49 complain about user:azerbaijani 50 AMA 51 Nakhichevan 52 Hey man 53 Goltz 54 Blocked 55 Response to The Transhumanist with regard to Paytakaran 55.1 Footnotes 56 Assistance needed 57 Hi 58 FSU Metro Project 59 Safavids

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Hussein Khan Nakhichevanski, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 06:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! That’s cool. Grandmaster 07:27, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Farman Salmanov, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

WP:NC(GN)

I apologize for spamming your talk page, but since you had contributed in the past to the WP:NC(GN) proposal, which is currently ready for a wider consultation, I thought you might want to give it another look now and, hopefully, suggest some final improvements. Thanks. --Lysy^talk 22:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Do Not Ignore

I know you have seen this, and I know you are ignoring it on purpose. See here: [1]Khosrow II 00:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Do not remove sourced sections

Do not remove sourced sections. This could be considered vandalism. You and I both know its not POV, as it is according to the agreement we have acheived on the talk page, and we both know that it is relevant to both articles.Khosrow II 04:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

There was no agreement on any talk page, and you were warned about spamming not being allowed by the admin. I'm going to ask for the admin intervention. Grandmaster 04:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The main article talk page. I have already notified an admin, dont worry.Khosrow II 04:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. I did too. Grandmaster 04:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Cfd

The list of azerbaijan related deletions needs some input from actual Azeri users on the Hinduism in Azerbaijan Afd. [2].Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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Azerbaijan People's Government

Regarding this edit, what page of Tadeusz Swietochowski's book are you referring to? Can you please provide an exact quote or preferably a screen shot as per WP:Verify. I have an electronic copy of this book, and I can't find what you're claiming to be from that book. --Mardavich 06:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Azerbaijan People's Government. Grandmaster 05:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Gardash

Salam Ishalah haliniz yakhchidir.

Bir dustane khahishim vardi sizdan, lutfan biraz sabriz olsun va Khosrowinan az bash basha goin. Ejazazinan man ortaza tushiram vs bu faydasiza bahslara bir khatima veramak isteyram. Hamda isteiram biraz onun manfi sozlarini Azerbaijan articlelarin dan pozum ama fekr eliram o bulari yazipdi ki sizin Iran aticle larinda yazdigniz sheilara javab olsun. Agar siz buna edama versaz bu ishin akheri olmiajakh va ushagh oyununa banziajakh. Azerbiajanin adinin rabetasina gina man isteiram sizin araza giram va bir sada tozih yazam ki avalda bu ad Iranian azerbaijanina marbut eidi. chokh tashakur eleiram. --Mardavich 07:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Man Khosrowi basha salajigam, bir yolda tapajiam ki o Azarbaijan ad maslasi hal olsun va kichik bi kismat da bi shei yazakh ki siz ikinizda kabul elia bilasiz. Vali saninda biraz gunahin var bu davalarda, masalan manim NPOV ichin daishtirdigim article lari san galib dagishtiriyorsun. man o articlari daishtitrium ki iki taraf da razi olsun. --Mardavich 08:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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History of Karabakh

I agree, it deserves a major clean-up. As it stands right now, it still looks as though it was copy-and-pasted from the NK article. -- Clevelander 08:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I've already made a seperate user page for it: User:Clevelander/History of Nagorno-Karabakh -- Clevelander 08:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The best thing, I think, that can be done wiith this article is if it were cleaned-up first and then check for objectivity later. Also, I'm reconsidering the mention of massacres of Armenians by Azeris in Nakhichevan and of Armenians burning Azeri villages in Syunik. We should not neglect to mention these acts as they both play important parts in the history of those regions and basically from this we can see why there was resentment on both sides to begin with. Before mentioning these, however, I feel that we need to put them in the context of mutual violence and ethnic cleansing. -- Clevelander 10:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but there’s no confirmation of the massacre in Nakhichevan from any reliable sources. That was the main reason we removed that from the article. There are plenty of accusations from both sides of the other side committing atrocities, but the only verifiable info is the massacres in Baku, probably because it was the biggest city of Transcaucasia and the events there attracted international attention. Grandmaster 10:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I was rethinking it today and I don't think it's necessary to mention these events. There was mutual violence and we should keep it at that. -- Clevelander 20:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you for disruption. Two days have gone by, you have been online, and have posted on various pages, but ignored my request above. In the context of the behaviour I've seen from you over the last few weeks (edit warring, POV pushing and general disruption across numerous pages), I consider this a pattern of disruption and disregard for Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I believe your comments at User_talk:Mardavich#Re:Gardash, regardless of the actual content, were a deliberate attempt to bait Khosrow. The current block is indefinite, but I will remove it when you respond to my previous message and demonstrate you are now willing to work within policies and guidelines. If you prefer to discuss this privately, you may email me at Special:Emailuser/Sarah_Ewart. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 21:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Your account is now unblocked. Thanks, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 05:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias

Hey GM, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 05:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Question about the Mountain Jews

Hey GM,

I have a question regarding the Caucasian peoples article. Doluca added "Azerbaijani Jews" to the "Peoples speaking Altaic languages" section, but I removed it saying that the "Mountain Jews are already mentioned below", because they were—in the "Peoples speaking Indo-European languages" section. My reasoning was that their native language is Juhuri, which is an Iranian language. However, aren't the Jews of Azerbaijan descendents of the Khazars? (don't many Azeris claim they themselves are descendents as well?) Anyways, I was just wondering if you have any suggestions of what we should do. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 16:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Grandmaster...

I've started a special page here. It would help if you could join us there. Khosrow has raised some concerns about Britannica being used as a source and it really needs to be sorted out. Please only post in your section, be as concise as possible and stick to the facts only. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 16:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

GM please make a comment here: [3]Khosrow II 04:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting that crap off my userpage yesterday. Much appreciated. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thousands of fair use images at your disposal

Look what I found Большая Советская Энциклопедия. Thousands of 1970s images from the 3rd edition that can be uploaded under fair use for anything. Also right now I have the original 1950s 2nd edition of the encyclopedia in 50+ hardbacks with excellent PD images in them. Any requests?

Here is a taster Тбилиси. --Kuban Cossack 13:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Azeris

Sorry for the late reply, but I've been busy and still am with papers to write! I got your email when I recently checked it. The article looks ok now and I'm glad as it seems to have help up well despite the criticism and changes. I figured it was in capable hands and if I can help and when and if I have time I will check in. Til then take care. Tombseye 22:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Need help for Casualties of World War I

Regarding the Muslim casualties of the Ottoman Empire during World War I article. After the end of World War I, the western sources do not cover the effects of the war on Muslim Casualties. I would like to integrate what happened during this period. Western sources are really weak on this issue. And there is a big bias against it. If you can find credible facts, numbers, or events to improve this concept. That would be so appreciated. Thanks. --OttomanReference 16:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Have you been able to find any images of Nakhichevan? If so, please get back to me as soon as you can. -- Clevelander 17:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Azerbaijanis

Hey GM. Sorry for the late reply to your message. I think at this stage you should raise the matter on Talk:List of Azerbaijanis. The talk page has been pretty dead with only 3 edits between October 9 and now, but you really need to at least try and discuss it there. Then we might be able to unprotect the article. With regard to your questions about dealing with Khosrow, he hasn't edited since Nov 29 and I haven't heard anything from him since I last blocked him on November 19. If his edit warring continues when he returns, we may have to consider an RfC but I really do hope it won't come to that. Sarah Ewart 18:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Once again, Khosrow, it's not an ethnic list and the article says so. Thanks for your response, Sarah. I don’t mind posting on the talk of the article, but I think I said everything that could have been said here: User_talk:Sarah_Ewart/KII-GM2 It’s been quite a prolonged discussion that led to nothing. Grandmaster 06:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand, however, it's not for Khosrow's benefit; it's to show that you've discussed it with a wider audience and (perhaps) have other editors who agree with you. The discussion on my talk page was just the three of us. To move forward with the dispute resolution procedures, you need to be able to show that you've taken it to the talk page for other editors to comment. Sarah Ewart 17:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You should ask for a checkuser before making accusations. I can say the same about ROOB323, who was not previously known as an editor of Armenia-Azerbaijan related articles and suddenly turned up to support Fadix. Grandmaster 06:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If a user knows about checkuser, it is very easy for them to avoid getting caught by it. Also, I think Ulvi posts too infrequently to show any pattern (they only keep the IP logs for a fairly short period of time). FWIW, I believe the user is more likely a meatpuppet than a sockpuppet. Sarah Ewart 17:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, GM. I will check out the other matter in about five minutes. Cheers, Sarah Ewart 12:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

That person's IP seems to belong to the Danish Network for Research and Education in Denmark. Sarah Ewart 14:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I've warned them about edit warring. Do you think they're a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet? If a sock, do you have any idea of who? Just wondering because they've voted in several AFDs and if they've voted using multiple accounts, that's grounds for a checkuser request. Sarah Ewart 15:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey man

I'll take a look at it, could you do me a favour in return. See if there are any computational linguistic resources for Azerbaijani (e.g. morphological dictionaries, POS taggers, lemmatisers, machine translation systems, etc.) Papers and URLs welcome. Thanks - Francis Tyers · 12:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll check to see what’s available. Grandmaster 12:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Btw, how is the intelligibility of Azerbaijani/Turkish in your opinion? - Francis Tyers · 13:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Very high. The difference is mainly related to modern terms and pronunciation of some words, which sound slightly different in the two languages. But if you speak one of those languages, you will have no problem undestanding the other. Grandmaster 13:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I have the following two passages. Could you rewrite the Azerbaijani one so it most closely resembles the Turkish?

Turkish (Türkçe)

Bütün insanlar hür, haysiyet ve haklar bakımından eşit doğarlar. Akıl ve vicdana sahiptirler ve birbirlerine karşı kardeşlik zihniyeti ile hareket etmelidirler.

Azerbaijani (North) in the Latin alphabet

Bütün insanlar ləyaqət və hüquqlarına görə azad və bərabər doğulurlar. Onarın şüuralrı və vicdanları var və bir-birlərinə mübasibətdə qardaşlıq runhunda davranmalıdırlar.

Azerbaijani (most like Turkish)

...

And on a related note, do you know if those dictionaries you showed me are available for download... and also if there are spelling/grammar checkers for Azerbaijani? - Francis Tyers · 10:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don’t think it gets much better than that. I made some slight rewording and corrected the typos in the Azerbaijani line, but if you use Turkish words instead of Azeri ones, it won’t be Azerbaijani.

Bütün insanlar azadlıq, ləyaqət və hüquqlarına görə bərabər doğulurlar. Onların şüurları və vicdanları var və onlar bir-birlərinə mübasibətdə qardaşlıq ruhunda davranmalıdırlar.

Btw, very good Turkish dictionary that I use sometimes: [4]

As far as I know no Azerbaijani spelling checkers are available, as I need them myself, and the polyqlot dictionary is available for download here (20 mb): [5] Grandmaster 10:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe like this:

Bütün insanlar azadlıq, ləyaqət və haqlarına görə bərabər doğulurlar. Onların ağılları və vicdanları var və onlar bir-birlərinə mübasibətdə qardaşlıq ruhunda davranmalıdırlar.

I replaced two words with the ones that exist in Azerbaijani language as well. Grandmaster 10:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) I searched, and I found that hunspell can do Azerbaijani [6]. Don't know if you use Linux though -- might work with Windows I don't know. - Francis Tyers · 12:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I should try to see if it works on Windows. Thanks, I've been looking for something like that. Grandmaster 12:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

How the hell is this vandalism?!

Explain now. 24.34.77.145 07:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your IP has previuosly been blocked for vandalism. Why don't you get registered? Also, you cannot say that duduk is an Armenian instrument based on UNESCO declaration. Do you have reliable scholarly sources? Grandmaster 07:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

3RR block

Hello again. Unrelated to your recent comment, you have been blocked for 24 hours due to a 3RR violation. Please be more careful in the future. The block duration of the next violation will almost certainly exceed 24 hours. Thanks. Regards, El_C 14:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I don't think I actually broke the 3RR, I made only 1 rv on 6 December, and there was no edit war going on the History of Nagorno-Karabakh by the time of the block anyway, as Francis Tyers was so kind as to mediate between me and Tigran and we hopefully are about to reach a compromise. Please reconsider the block. Regards, Grandmaster 10:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks for the positive feedback on my Editor Review. Now that I've had a chance to take in some input I will probably make a move for RfA in several months. --Bobak 17:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Yerevan

At the very least, Grandmaster, I am opposed to your removal of the word "liberated" when used to describe the capture of Yerevan by Russia as it's clearly referenced. The other information is debatable, but I think the fact that we have a reference for that statement should automatically make it a non-issue. Kindest regards, Clevelander 12:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

If the words "liberation" and "occupation" are POV, then does that make them prohibited when referring to the actions of Nazi Germany during World War II? Is it POV to say that Nazi Germany occupied Czechslovakia, Poland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, or France? Can we not say that these countries were eventually were "liberated" by the Allies after World War II?

Although maybe Iran didn't view the Russian invasion as a liberation, the Armenians did, which is important to remember as it is the capital of Armenia. Certainly the Nazis probably didn't see Poland as being liberated when the Soviets invaded, nor did the Nazis and the Vichy French government see France as being liberated when the Western allies invaded. -- Clevelander 21:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you completely missed the point of my message. The Soviet Union was a foreign country that "liberated" Prague. Would that be offensive to Germans? -- Clevelander 11:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The Armenians had sympathies with the Russians, so to them, the capture of Yerevan was a liberation. This was probably not so for the local Muslims who lived there, let alone the Iranian political elite in Tehran. -- Clevelander 11:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you're right. Maybe it would be better to ask an Iranian user about this. -- Clevelander 11:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "local Muslim population", the Muslim population was not local according to Grandmaster's own logic. He calls Armenians in Paytakaran as "occupants" when it was a 100% Armenian porvince for 700 years! There are two sources, one of them not Armenian that call it liberation. That's the end of it.--Eupator 18:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the Yerevan talk page, I see where both he and you are coming from now. Kindest regards, Clevelander 02:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikilogos

I've noticed you're very involved here, you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Logo Variations and on my talk page. Thanks! FrummerThanThou 05:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

RfC

Could you check these edits for factual accuracy? Thanks, Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Azeri

Grand, the photo of Azerbaijani people on the ethnic info box is awful. Look at Armenians, Greeks or Georgians. Can you compile the photos of famous Azeri and i can edit them in the similar way as the other ethnic group photos. Bets Regards. Ldingley 17:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Grandmaster, I will always cherish the hospitality of Azeri people and their warmth which I received many times there. Happy New Year Azerbaican gardash, wishing you all the best and happiness with your loved ones. Best Regards. Ldingley 16:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

2007

Azerbaijan (Iran)

Ok, please show my one source from before 60 years ago that uses the terms "north" and "south" Azerbaijan. These terms came into use in the past 50-60 years during the Soviet Era for political purposes!Azerbaijani 20:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Dear GM, I wish you and your loved ones a very Happy New Year. See you in 2007! --Kober 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Paytakaran

Don't you think making two articles is appropriate Paytakaran, Kingdom of Armenia and Paytakaran, Caucasian Albania since there both different. Nareklm 08:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Paytakaran (2nd section)

Hi. Could you please expalin Why did you roll the article back to the earlier version and reverted all my edits? Each and every one of them is well sourced. You actually helped Eupator and Fadix to achieve their goal, i.e. keep the article at their preferred version. Could you please explain what was wrong with the quotes from Strabo, Buzand, Kalankatuatsi, Hewsen, etc.? I can explain each of my edits, and removing well sourced edits is not gonna help resolve the dispute. Regards, Grandmaster 19:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Very simple. That's the revision where it sat for over two weeks so it can stay there until everyone can come to a consensus on the correct path for the article. If I were you, I'd start discussing your changes on the talk page and/or take the dispute further up the chain of WP:DR. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration

I will give you a chance to revert your vandalism. Your reason is not valid enough and it is very biased and borders on racism. If you do not revert your vandalism I will take this to arbitration and as you probably know, arbitration ends in severe punishment. I have read many of the talk pages that you have been involved in, and I can dig up a lot of your vandalism.Azerbaijani 19:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You can try arbitration, but maybe you know that before applying for arbitration you should go thru all the stages of dispute resolution. So I suggest you get someone to mediate. Grandmaster 19:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

If you blank again, I will be sure to do so. Do you think you have a chance? You have contradicted yourself several times, this is evident from your history. On one page you say something and on another you say something totally different. You have blanked sourced information. You have exhibited racism and bias... I suggest that you leave things as they are. There is already a dispute tag up, you have no case. Sources are sources, and sources from PROFESSORS working for WESTERN universities are just as good as any other sources!Azerbaijani 20:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Paytakaran, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. Khoikhoi 20:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Karki in Nakhichevan

Grandmaster, I invite you to re-discuss the Karki issue on the Nakhichevan talk page. Best, Clevelander 18:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

User "Azerbaijani" any admin payin attention?!

Dear Grandmaster, The account-holder "Azerbaijani" has been personally attacking, insulting and naming many people, naming "pan-Turkist", "vandaliser", or labelling with "POV" all the time while all he is doing is insulting, and expressing his POV about how he seens Azerbaijanis are. Anyway, I am not very familiar with Wikipedia but I would like to know how some admins can look at this. I saw he has the same issue I saw about him with so many others, including you. I would like independently minded people look at this. He has chosen the name "Azerbaijani" and he has been continuously attacking Azerbaijanis and calling them pan-Turkists, insulting and intimidating, while trying to prove, edit, delete, and reverse, so that anywhere Azerbaijan or Azerbaijani people, personalities ot anything was mentioned, the context would make it clear that it is nothing distinct but just an area of Iran (not even the republic of Azerbaijan as he has so many times denied the name of an internationally accepted country). Please inform me! Və mən də belə düşünürəm ki bu adam bizim millət'dɵn deyil və Azərbaycan dilin də bilmir. Amma bəlke bir kəs tapıb verəbilər ki bunu tercüme eyliyə çūnki sūbh'den axşama kompyuterin qabağın'da oturur!!! Bm79 03:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Jalil Gholizadeh

Dear Grandmaster! I edited a bit the article on Gholizadeh. I think I have been too negative on your edits. I have to appologize for that. I loved molla nessredin magazine and the writer, that's why I initiated an article about him. I will not edit this article anymore. Please feel free to edit it. It needs a bit rearrangement. For example the name in Azeri should come first and the Persian one after that. But in my editor it looks strange when I rearrange it. I can not handle the paranthesis. I hope the article will be in a form that Azerbaijani people and also Iranian people enjoy reading it. happiness of all people was Jalil's dream during his lifetime. Thanks. Take care. Sangak 17:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I agree with rearranging the order of names in Azeri and persian. Actually I used to read his stories in Persian. I did not know that what I was reading was a translation from Azeri! About being Iranian or not: Ebrahim Nabavi who is another fantastic Azeri satirist wrote an article about him. He is actually writing a book on history of satire in Iran. He wrote that Jalil was from and Iranian family and was always proud of being Iranian (whatever that means! and ofcoure of being Azeri too). Nabavi wrote that his father was Iranian azeri. But there is nothing about his mothers ethnicity. As far as I know Khoi people are mainly Kurds and Azeris and some Persian minorities. His mother was perhaps Azeri or Kurd. I am not expert on this issue. That's what Nabavi wrote. The word Iranian in modern definition refers mainly to nationals of Iran. However there is also a historical, cultural and linguistic definition for it. The term Iranian is somehow like european (not to be confused with modern definition: member of EU). European is a collection of ethnic groups that practice similar cultures and live side by side. Also many Iranian-Americans etc have never seen Iran and were born and grew up in other countries. I also admit that Jalil is azeri before anything else and his writings were mostly in Azeri. Interestingly, Iranian satire is mainly Azeri. The majority of Iranian satirists are from azeri ethnicity, like Nabavi himself. In any case you may have more expertise on this issue. Because you can understand Azeri language and perhaps russian. Take care. Sangak 19:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Compromise on Azerbaijan

I've come up with a compromise on Azerbaijan to satisfy all the parties. Check it out and let me know what you think. --Mardavich 19:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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Azeri people

Grand, nacilcin gardash? Take a look at here [7] , Why is this article being compromised by Iranians? Its full of Iranian POV and when i read the whole article, if ignoring my knowledge of Azeri nation, i would presume the article is about Iranians rather than Azeri. Also claiming that modern Azerbaijan was a Persian territory before Russians took over is absurd. That article need serious attention and dePOVing. Thanks. Ldingley 22:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Request

Hi. After the prolonged debates here and here I would ask you for the free equivalent if you know it (however not necessarily as there are some withdrawals from the template text and WP:FUC as I think). Thanks anyway --Brand спойт 23:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

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Re: Persianization Artilce

You have added a citation to the above article: by using "Tadeusz Swietochowski, 'Russia and Azerbaijan: A Borderland in Transition. ISBN: 0231070683", described the official policy pursued by Reza Shah Pahlavi to assimilate the ethnic minorities in Iran. In particular, within this policy the Azerbaijani language was banned for use on the premises of schools, in theatrical performances, religious ceremonies and in the publication of books, I have checked the book and although there is a mention about Soviet penetration into Azarbaijan province, and the movement policy for Azari Language, but there is no such a entry as you stated. Therefore can I have the page number for the entry? Thanks Surena 07:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Question

Can you check this ? Is the translation ok? - Francis Tyers · 13:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, thats not such a bad translation, can you think of a better one ? - Francis Tyers · 19:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Not so bothered about offense, just looking for a good translation. Would "Siktirsin sərhədlər" make sense in Azerbaijani? e.g. as like a slogan against borders? - Francis Tyers · 19:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

September Days

You disagree with what took place in September 1918 or disagree with the name that I said "a period called September Days". Thats why you asked for a source? ROOB323 10:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it appears that the event does not have a common name. I don't deny the facts that are included in the article. Grandmaster 10:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed my edit. ROOB323 10:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not object to the title, but I think we should find a reference to it. Grandmaster 10:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Why don't we just merge them into one article called Baku massacres? -- Clevelander 14:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That might be a solution, but we need to check with other editors of the article. Grandmaster 05:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Rasulzade

Who is the author of the book "Azerbaijani Government"? Khoikhoi 11:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

this book is published in Baku 1990 and is a compilation of articles on the founders of Republic. main contributors are Nasib Nasibli, the specialist on Azerbiajan Democratic rEPUBLIC, tIMUCHIN hADJIBEYLI, GRaNDSON of former member of Azerbaijani peace delegation to Paris peace Conference and Mohsun Aliyev a historian now dead who first accesssed soviet archieves about Az.Dem.Rep.217.64.23.1 06:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

complain about user:azerbaijani

dear Grandmaster I am user elsanaturk who updated Rasulzade article but as you now user Azerbaijani three times hindered my article to be published and then he spoiled that article and after he reported me on 3rrrd he returned back and deleted my cited sentence and four times edited the text. I've already complained to Khoikhoi and he recommended to apply to you and talked about dispute solution. what can we do? besides his lie and abuse on that article he follows me in every my edit and reverts my editings whether they are sourced or not and also he spoils the quality of Rasulzade article, he makes repetition, deletes links especially Baku State University and deletes my comments on talk pages. now i am blocked so i cannot do anything but I ask you to go and to overlook rasulzade article.217.64.23.1 05:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll have a look at that. You can also e-mail me if you have problems logging in, just click "email this user" link on the right side of my talk page. Grandmaster 06:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

AMA

Just here to tell you I have taken you AMA case. Have a nice week and god bless. --James, La gloria è a dio 21:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Please answer me on my talk page. Thanks a lot. --James, La gloria è a dio 21:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• I have a feeling that the other editors feel as if they own the article. I am going to point them to Wikipedia:Ownership_of_articles. Can you please tell me what you have done to try o solve this? Thanks. You can contact me by email, on my tal page, or at yahoo IM. If you have MSN IM then you can still contact me at yahoo. Also I am on IRC daily. Have a nice week. --James, La gloria è a dio 14:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• No I do not. Why don't you download yahoo or MSN IM? I don't like to download more than what is needed on my computer. Peace. James, La gloria è a dio 17:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • • There is no reason to be talking about blocks. Please stop it. Thanks. --James, La gloria è a dio 20:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• If your civil, and work with the others well I'll reward you. Have a nice week and god bless. --James, La gloria è a dio 21:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Just to let you know we are going to talk about this on my desk from now on. Have a nice week and god bless you and everyone you know. --James, La gloria è a dio 23:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Dear Grandmaster, I am aware of your contributions and Clevelanders Rv's of your edits-HRW. I posted a warning at User_talk:Clevelander#Your_comments_as_personal_attack.Please dont avoid to contribute with reliable sources and infos like you did before. Regards. Must^TC 08:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey man

I sympathise with your problem. The sources in the name section at least are utter bunk. "milliondollarbabies.com" wtf? I'll make a change but I dont' have the time to do a full mediation, sorry :( - Francis Tyers · 09:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, seems its fully protected. Damn. I would have done something like:

"According to Iranians Dr. Kaveh Farrokh and the Dr. Enayatollah Reza, the Bolsheviks re-conquered the Caucasus and kept the name Azerbaijan, in hopes of later adding north western Iran into the Soviet Union [8][9]."

For assertions like this you really need one or more impartial academic publications stating it. e.g. Books or journal articles. - Francis Tyers · 10:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Goltz

You cannot dictate what is and what is not a source. Why dont you first remove all the sources on Wikipedia from BBC News. Even Khoikhoi didnt remove the source. Your claim is baseless and unfounded.Azerbaijani 05:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Goltz is not a historian. Cite professional historians. Grandmaster 05:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for continued edit warring and 3RR gaming, see [8]. Please work cooperatively to resolve disputes. Dmcdevit·t 09:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your message. But I was not gaming, I invited Tigran to discuss the issue at talk, which he ignored. I asked him to see the talk in my edit summary. The issue was long disputed between us, and was mediated by a wiki admin, but Tigran suddenly disappeared, and when he returned he tried to rv the article to his preferred version with provocative edit summaries. My intention was only to resolve the issue by discussion. I told him to "stop it, and see talk", to which he responded "But I would like not to stop". Could you please reconsider the block? Regards, Grandmaster 10:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Response to The Transhumanist with regard to Paytakaran

1) Basically, it is attested by the sources that I presented that Caspiane was at various times part of Medes, Armenia and Caucasian Albania. The statement of Tigran that there were 2 Caspianes is not supported by any evidence. The sources also confirm that the capital of this province was the city called Paytakaran. At later times the name Caspiane drops out of use and become replaced by the name of the capital of the province.

So I think the first paragraph should be rewritten as follows:

Paytakaran (Azerbaijani: Beyləqan, Armenian: Փայտակարան, Persian and Arabic: Baylaqan^[1]) also known as Caspiane by Greco-Roman authors, was the province and city of Medes, Caucasian Albania and the Kingdom of Armenia.^[2]. It was located in the area of the lower courses of the rivers of Kura and Araks, adjacent to the Caspian sea. Today, the area is located in the territory of modern day southeastern Azerbaijan and northeastern Iran.

Caspiane was contested between the regional powers. According to Strabo: "To the country of the Albanians belongs also the territory called Caspiane, which was named after the Caspian tribe, as was also the sea; but the tribe has now disappeared".^[3] Strabo also mentions Caspiane among the lands, conquered by king Artaxias I from Medes. However, Armenia later lost it to Albania about 59 BC, when Pompey rearranged the political geography of the region. (See the following reference):

Pompey then rearranged the political geography of the east. The exact details of the changes and their chronology are not always clear. Some were changed after Pompey and the young Tigranes fell out and after Parthian intervention. But the upshot was that by 59 BC Syria and Phoenicia had passed to Rome, Sophene to Cappadocia, and Adiabene to Parthia. Lesser Armenia went, probably, to Brogitarus, son-in-law of Deiotarus king of Galatia, and Caspiane to the Albanians.

A. E. Redgate. The Armenians (Peoples of Europe) ISBN-10: 0631220372

2) It is hard to say precisely when the name of Caspiane became replaced by the name of its capital Paytakaran. However, the fact is confirmed by the sources.

3) My proposed edit: Paytakaran was initially populated by the tribe of Caspians, after whom it was named Caspiane.^[4] Later it was populated by people called parcies.^[5] Local population repeatedly revolted against the Armenian rule, and Armenian kings had to dispatch their troops to the region to suppress the uprisings. ^[6][7]

Paytakaran, which according to professor Robert. H. Hewsen was a completely alien land to Armenia, was finally lost by Armenia to Caucasian Albania in 387 A.D.^[8]

4) After the Arab conquest and Islamisation of the region, the city of Paytakaran became known as Baylaqan. Muslim chronicles describe it as a flourishing city.

Footnotes

1. ^ Encyclopedia Iranica. C. E. Bosworth. Baylaqan
2. ^ Strabo, Geography, book 11, chapter 14
3. ^ Strabo, 11.4
4. ^ Encyclopedia Iranica. Rüdiger Schmitt. Caspians
5. ^ Pawstos Buzand, History. 5.14
6. ^ Movses Khorenatsi. History of Armenia
7. ^ Pawstos Buzand, History. 5.14
8. ^ The Armenian People From Ancient To Modern Times: The Dynastic Periods: From Antiquity to the Fourteenth Century. Robert. H. Hewsen. Historical Geography, p 16.

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Done. Thanks, --A.Garnet 17:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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Safavids

You just deleted several sources including Iranica, in order to put one Iranica source in? Are you kidding me?Azerbaijani 20:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

GM, there was a previous compromise and consensus on that page, which you broke by your last edit. Your actions are very nonconstructive I should add. --Mardavich 20:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I did not delete anything. All the sources are there. And compromises should be honored by both sides, not just one. Grandmaster 20:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

From what I see in the archives, you had agreed to the previous comprise to leave out the presumed ethnicity from the lead, a long time ago. I am very disppaointed in you, that's all I am gonna say. --Mardavich 20:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm also disappointed with some of you guys, but there's nothing I can do. I wish it was not so. Grandmaster 20:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)