Disputatio Usoris:UV

E Vicipaedia

Vide etiam disputationes anni 2006.

Index 1 2nd parameter for Formula:Decennium 2 CommonsTicker: Ticker Trouble 3 sortable 4 legatio 5 Pingere 6 declension #s 7 Shortcut buttons 8 nectere 9 corrections 10 Formula:Capsula/Formula:Monstrare 11 E-mail 12 hide template 13 Gratias 14 CommonsTicker: CommonsTicker, The Next Generation 15 mediawiki 16 MediaWiki:Standard.css 17 Nomina quasi aequipollentia 18 internal/external links 19 Re: dump analysis 20 ThaliaSodi.jpg 21 Disputatio Formulae:Monstrare#greek, centering 22 blind men 23 Formula:Latinitas 24 Meridianum et Pyrenaeus 25 Complex templates 26 Macaronoteras Volatile 27 culmnae geminae

[recensere] 2nd parameter for Formula:Decennium

Hi, I had a talk with Ioshus and we want to add a note to the decennium template and somewhere the year in roman numbers. To manage this we need a second parameter, the roman number, see 1000. Could you add a second parameter, please?

The note should be similar to this: haec est de anno, ut de numero legas, vide [[{{PAGENAME}} (numerus)]]. Pro explicatione de regula nostra de usu [[vicipaedia:numeri romani|numerorum romanorum]], vide [[numeri romani list#{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]].

"Numeri romani list" shall be a generated (Perl?) list of the Roman numbers from 1 - 2000, using the "id" attribute for the numbers. I think, this should work.

The discussion is at Vicipaedia:Taberna#numeri.

Thanks! --Rolandus 17:09, 28 Decembris 2006 (UTC)

Siehe auch en:Template:Roman. --Rolandus 22:39, 1 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Hoffe, ich habe nichts übersehen! Wenn noch weitere Features gewünscht sind, bitte einfach melden! --UV 02:37, 2 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] CommonsTicker: Ticker Trouble

Hello

As you may have noticed, there have been some problems with CommonsTicker lately:

• first, the toolserver was down. After it was back up, we had to wait for fresh database dumps.
• also, many updates where failing because ticker pages where growing too large. Updates that went through half-way somtimes also caused entries to be posted multiple times, making the problem worse.
• when I tried to improve performance, I introduced a bug that caused the ticker to post trash sometimes. I disabled the ticker again when I was told about it, and I have fixed all effected pages yesterday (I hope I didn't miss any).

To sort this out completely, I have to rewrite parts of CommonsTicker. For now, I will enable the ticker again for most wikis, but not for the ones that where having most trouble - namely de-wikipedia, en-wikinews, eo-wikipedia, es-wikipedia, fr-wikipedia, ja-wikipedia, ru-wikipedia, simple-wikipedia and zh-wikipedia. I'll have to investigate those more closely.

So please keep an eye on CommonsTicker in the next days - if there is any more trouble, please tell me, preferrably on meta:User_talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker.

Regards -- meta:User:Duesentrieb 13:42, 5 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 13:42, 5 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] sortable

... net schlecht! ;-) --Rolandus 18:27, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

de:Wikipedia:Projektneuheiten, de:Wikipedia:Projektneuheiten/Archiv ;-) --UV 18:33, 7 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] legatio

Oops, thanks for the cleanup.--Ioshus ^(disp) 01:13, 9 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

not worth mentioning – only a few minor things! Greetings, --UV 01:43, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Pingere

Can you confirm that the latin verb for "to paint" is pingere? And if so, do you know wether the perfect stem is ping- or pix- (or something else)? Cannot find my latin schoolbooks. Skvattram 23:24, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

pingo, pingis, pingere, pinxi, pictus. Greetings, --UV 23:30, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure it is pinxi, since, many or most third conjugation verbs with -ng or -nc in the present stem misses the n of that combination in the perfect stem, like vinco - vici?

Thank you anyway. Danke schön. Skvattram 23:46, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am (perfect is pinxi but past participle is pictus without n), I looked it up in Stowasser. Greetings, --UV 23:55, 10 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] declension #s

1. a
2. o (us et um)
3. e (mater, onus)

   I know this as "consonantic declension" --UV 01:26, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

   Ok, like you I only know by the numbers =].--Ioshus ^(disp) 16:09, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

4. u (senatus)
5. es (dies, res)

   I know this as "e declension" --UV 01:26, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

   Ditto. =] --Ioshus ^(disp) 16:09, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

--Ioshus ^(disp) 01:31, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! --UV 01:26, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Of course!--Ioshus ^(disp) 16:09, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Shortcut buttons

Salve UV; thank for your message. I´ve post an example to Iustinus, who made the question , :-) . However, I don´t know which additional button he was thinking about, and the systems pages sems to be protected here.--Antur 05:30, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Hello Antur, I am sorry if I caused confusion here – I was abusing your talk page in order to reply to the question posed by Iustinus ;-) Hope you did not mind … Greetings, --UV 14:11, 14 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] nectere

1. You nectere a knot accusative.
2. You nectere a knot accusative to something else dative.

--Ioshus ^(disp) 19:18, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] corrections

I have made several corrections/suggestions. Feedback of course is encouraged.--Ioshus ^(disp) 19:36, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

wow, thanks a lot … I wouldn't have thought that I had introduced that many mistakes. I am sorry that you had to correct them all. Thanks again! --UV 23:45, 15 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

As my babel box indicated, even those with excellent latin are often prone to make ghastly mistakes when translating a lot of it! Besides, I owed you one =]. But seriously, I noticed now that when we "monstrare praevisa" the alignment is a bit off...for instance on the left of the interface where the interwikis and other one click buttons are appear now at the very bottom of the page... Anything that can be done about this? Bye for now.--Ioshus ^(disp) 14:11, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

I could not reproduce this problem in my browser but I fixed a small problem in MediaWiki:Edittools that might have caused the symptoms you described. Did this solve the problem or is the weird arrangement still there? --UV 23:36, 17 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks.--Ioshus ^(disp) 03:14, 18 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

One more thing, not sure if you planned it this way. There is no caveat at the top of a mediawiki recensio page, like there used to be. Given that only we sysops can edit it, I'm not sure we really need such a disclaimer, obviously we know when we are editing mediawiki it will affect the interface. I just thought I'd ask to see if you had intended this or if it were an accident.--Ioshus ^(disp) 05:22, 19 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

I definitely did not plan it this way. Possibly a bug was introduced into the software when the "cascading block" feature was implemented a few days ago. I have asked someone knowledgeable about this, will report back.

de:Benutzer:Raymond confirmed the bug you found (bugzilla:8715). It is already fixed in the software (rev:19519), the warning message will reappear in a few hours. Thanks a lot! --UV 23:14, 20 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Great!--Ioshus ^(disp) 00:27, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Formula:Capsula/Formula:Monstrare

which I think might be movenda to Formula:Monstrare. It is on many english and italian pages en:Template:Hidden. We can't seem to get it to work here. If you're interested, and have the time to mess around, its exact opposite would also be good. A Formula:Celare, by which a section might be hidden. Or is there already some way to do this with syntax? In specific we are talking about the picture on Eiaculatum which it might be ok to keep if we had the ability to hide it/display it.--Ioshus ^(disp) 18:49, 20 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll give it a try tonight. --UV 18:51, 20 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Formula:Monstrare seems to work now, see Disputatio:Eiaculatum. If there are any technical problems (in particular: anyone using Mozilla and having problems?), please tell me. Regarding Formula:Celare, I still have to think a bit on how to realize this best, without unnecessary duplication of too much JavaScript code which needs to be loaded and executed on each page load. Greetings, --UV 13:31, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Great work, thanks, UV!--Ioshus ^(disp) 16:20, 21 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Yes! :-) --Rolandus 07:04, 23 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Thinking is completed (no need to think any more ever ;-) ) and now we have Formula:Celare as well. --UV 22:05, 25 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] E-mail

UV, I sent you an e-mail as you requested. Alexanderr 01:25, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I replied to it. Greetings, --UV 02:23, 1 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] hide template

UV, I wanted to know when you'll be able to fix the hide template - the delay bit is still happening. Alexanderr 23:45, 2 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. --UV 00:05, 3 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Gratias

Thanks for your vote, UV. I hope I'll justify your confidence. Andrew Dalby 21:02, 5 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] CommonsTicker: CommonsTicker, The Next Generation

I am currently testing a new version of CommonsTicker (dubbed CommonsTicker NG) on the german Wikipedia - problems with ticker pages growing too large made a partial rewrite necessary. Most changes are "under the hood", the larges change for users is in the way the ticker page is structured and updated:

CommonsTicker will now create a subpage for each day, and include this as a template on the ticker page. New entries for a given day are added to the respective subpage without modifying existing entries on that subpage. Old subpages (sections) are removed automatically from the main ticker page - per default, 7 sections are kept (days for which there are no entries are not counted). Please check that your ticker page has both start- and end-markers for the region where CommonsTicker should post (see m:User:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker#Ticker_Page); everything between the markers will be replaced. If the markers are missing, the entire page is replaced.

When I have finished testing CommonsTicker NG, I will activate the new version on the wikis where CommonsTicker is currently disabled due to problems with page size (the large projects I mentioned in the last announcement). When all goes well, I will start to switch other wikis to NG one by one, as seems convenient. If you want the new version soon, or you don't want it yet for some reason, please tell me about it on m:User:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker#Change_Requests.

This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 14:47, 6 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] mediawiki

I have responded.--Ioshus ^(disp) 13:32, 8 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] MediaWiki:Standard.css

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Standard.css ;-) --Rolandus 23:17, 12 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Strange. This seems to be obsolete by now … Greetings, --UV 23:29, 12 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!--Ioshus ^(disp) 23:25, 12 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! --UV 23:30, 12 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Nomina quasi aequipollentia

In pagina nostra, mutasti operae meae ad opera mea ; verum tamen:

opus, operis, n., Anglice: 'work, labour, service; building; fortification; book; workmanship; deed, action'

opera, -ae, f., Anglice: 'pains, exertion, work, labour; task; service'

The latter is a genuine Latin word, and L&S makes this distinction: "opus is used mostly of the mechanical activity of work, as that of animals, slaves, and soldiers ; opera supposes a free will and desire to serve." I was thinking of the latter, as most my contributions have been motivated by "a free will and desire to serve." IacobusAmor 14:05, 15 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

You can see the distinction in the formula : "Opus est mihi xxxxre." No such thing as "Opera est mihi yyyyre."--Ioshus ^(disp) 15:54, 15 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the instructive explanation! I apologize for deteriorating what I meant to improve. I'll remember opera, -ae f. now … Thanks, and sorry about that! --UV 20:33, 15 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] internal/external links

Just asking myself whether we should treat links to the Vicipaedia namespace as internal or external. If internal means "part of the encyclopaedia" they are external, but technically the Vicipaedia namespace is "internal". Hm ... ;-) We should have an explicit policy about that. --Rolandus 13:34, 17 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

I agree we should have an explicit policy about that (on Vicipaedia:Nexus?). In my view, there might be a section titled "Vide etiam" with a list of internal links to related pages that have not yet been linked to in the text above, and there might be a section titled "Nexus externi" (this may be titled "Nexus externus" if there is only one link) with external links. Links to other Wikimedia projects should be external links (e. g. the link to commons: which should in my view be the first link in the external links section). I have no particular preference whether links to the Vicipaedia namespace should be considered internal or external. --UV 22:50, 17 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I slightly prefer to put the Vicipaedia:xxx links into the nexus externus section. However, if we want to change that later, this could be done by a bot, since Vicipaedia:xxx links can be detected automatically, I think. --Rolandus 20:25, 19 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

ok! --UV 20:35, 19 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Re: dump analysis

It was a pleasure. I am still trying to optimize my scripts to run them faster and automatically as soon as a new dump is generated. Although it was thought for the English Wikipedia, I decided to try them in smaller versions as they run much faster, even if the results are not really significant. Cheers! -- ReyBrujo 04:58, 18 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] ThaliaSodi.jpg

Hi! Thanks for you message. The image I uploaded is from Thalia.com which is the original source and the copyright owner. The image is under license of "Free use by giving the original source" (I have the permission from the webmaster) but this license is not stated in Wikipedia Commons, that's why I couldn't upload it there. I'll appreciate if you help me with this. --Zoltan 15:40, 18 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! I would greatly appreciate it if you are able to obtain such a licence from the copyright holders that allows uploading the picture to commons. At present, there are not many pictures of Thalía Ariadna Sodi Miranda there ;-) Please ask for assistance at commons:Commons:Café, they will be able to tell you exactly what is necessary. Greetings, --UV 18:20, 18 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Disputatio Formulae:Monstrare#greek, centering

Mind having a look?--Ioshus ^(disp) 05:44, 21 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Will take a look soon. Greetings, --UV 09:48, 21 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] blind men

Good job! :-) --Rolandus 22:11, 22 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

well, it took me four edits nevertheless … ;-) --UV 22:13, 22 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Formula:Latinitas

Die Vorlage ist noch etwas chaotisch, aber ich glaube, die Idee ist schon erkennbar ... vielleicht kannst Du drüberschau'n? Auch die grünen und blauen Schlägel-Bilder sind verbesserungswürdig. ;-) --Rolandus 23:49, 26 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Will do so within the next few days, too tired now to do so attentively. Maybe I'll manage to do something about the images … Greetings, --UV 23:51, 26 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! We need also a solution for the case when a rated page is edited again and the rating should be verified. --Rolandus 06:32, 27 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

I tried to make the explanation more compact, so that it is easier to get a comprehensive overview. Hope you find my changes useful. You are right that we should address the point of changes made to a page after rating/request for re-rating/verification of the rating. --UV 01:02, 28 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

It is much better now. Thanks! --Rolandus 07:00, 28 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Meridianum et Pyrenaeus

Could you just look again at your edit to the word praefecturis in this stub? I'm sure there must be a good reason for it, but I can't guess what it is! Best wishes -- Andrew Dalby 13:19, 5 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out! I just wanted to get rid of the use of the template N here and I wanted to convert {{N|praefectur|a|is}} to [[praefectura|praefecturis]] (I find the latter form easier to read and there is no need to keep the template embedded within the page). In order to do this, I typed {{subst:N|praefectur|a|is}}, which ought to put the template text right into the page. In this instance, however, it went havoc. Thanks for pointing this out so that I won't add similar garbage to more pages … --UV 21:22, 5 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I see! Is it better practice not to overuse the N template? Andrew Dalby 21:32, 5 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Well, it does not really matter. Yes, templates do use processor cycles on wikimedia's servers, but that is not something we would really need to be concerned about. I had an exchange of views with Myces at Disputatio Formulae:N, but at that time I did not yet know that "subst-ing" the template causes garbage to be inserted into the page. In short: If you prefer to use this template, just do so freely! --UV 21:37, 5 Martii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Complex templates

Thanks! --Iustinus 09:38, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! --UV 23:32, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Macaronoteras Volatile

Hey, UV. In the section sententiae canonicae I can't figure out why the author and work are not included in the citatio box. Could you have a look? Thanks!--Ioshus ^(disp) 23:36, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)

An additional line break before the template does the trick. Don't ask me why it works with the line break and does not work without it – I do not know the reason. --UV 23:46, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)

fixed is fixed! =] Thanks! --Ioshus ^(disp) 23:54, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] culmnae geminae

UV amice, quomodo te habes? Quaeso, inspice Infinitas#Yajurveda... possin tu poema in duas columnas reddere? Iacobus bene dixit: stanzae sunt tam breves, legere eas dextrorsus sit melius quam sursus. Gratias!--Ioshus ^(disp) 14:58, 20 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking … I am quite busy these days … Greetings, --UV 21:14, 25 Martii 2007 (UTC)