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[edit] POV

"Also, the comic has a really unique sense of humor.": POV. Deleting.

Ahhhh....Good ol' 8-Bit Theatre....Still one of my favorite webcomics. It's up there with Bob & George and Kid Radd.... --Max Allen

Other good comics include ctrlaltdel-online.com, vgcats.com and pixelcomic.net . --netrider6

[edit] Page move: 8-Bit Theater -> 8-Bit Theatre

Even on their website, it is 8-bit Theatre, not Theater. Why then, does Theatre redirect to Theater? --Fëaluinix 08:16, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

The website uses both theater and theatre in different places. --Clawed 10:17, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Ex. on the main page, the section of links dealing with '8-Bit Theater' are spelled Americanly, and the FAQ refers to it Americanly, Brian Clevinger is American (or at least resident in America- that much I am sure of)... I'd say don't move it. Redirects are fine.

'8-Bit Theater' on google: 189,000 hits. -'8-Bit Theatre' on google: 77,800 hits, and many of the pages are mixed betwixt 'theater' and 'theatre'. 'Nuff said. --maru 14:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

How confusing. -Fëaluinix 03:11, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

What is confusing about it? I gave examples from the site, and hard evidence of usage, all indicating that the global preference is for 'theater' not 'theatre', and that 'theatre' is if anything a vestige of 8-Bit theater's early days. --maru 10:16, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

I just meant it was confusing to have both spellings on the website. Yes, you have all convinced me we should keep the American spelling. Fëaluinix 23:53, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 11:29, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Storyline:???

Looking at the completely empty section for Storyline, it looks like someone was in the middle of editing. Was it anyone here? And if it is, please submit the rest. As it stands it looks pretty silly to skip straight to links without any plot summary at all. --maru 01:57, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I've started a storyline, and since I'm kinda new at this it'll most likely have some errors. If you know, please fix them, 'cause I think it will be something big soon.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ridley (talk • contribs).

[edit] Constant removal/reverts of the Characters section

This is concerning the issue of 68.194.250.30 constantly removing the information in the characters section (leaving just a link to the Characters of 8-Bit Theater entry). Then someone else (it varies who) reverts it back to its current version, with a brief summary of the most important characters on the main page, with a link to Characters of 8-Bit Theater, which has detailed information of the characters, plus mentions a host of minor characters not mentioned on the main page.

The version as it stands (character summary info on the main page, detailed information in its own setion) is good. It's how numerous wikipedia entries handle things. As it is now, people can get enough information to get enough information of the setting, etc. by viewing the main article (which is thus important to understand 8-Bit Theater -- the topic of the article). And if they want detailed reviews with histories, etc., they can view Characters of 8-Bit Theater.

And, consensus seems to be against 68.194.250.30, given that (s)he's the only person removing the section, while various other people put it back in. Though I do think a discussion is in order, so we can get a more clear consensus stated. So, comments people? (68.194.250.30 especially). --Matthew0028 04:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I think as is is pretty good- I question the inclusion of White Mage, since she is not yet a major character (major humour, but not character), but I defintely don't think the whole section should be replaced. --Maru 13:42, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Forums

It has been mentioned on the forums that 8-Bit Theatre was supposed to be a series of parody sprite comics that focuses on different legendary 8-bit video games (Metroid, River City Ransom, etc.)

Is there any evidence for this? More specifically, does someone have a link to the forum post, or does anyone other than 70.29.255.176 recall this post? If not, it should probably be removed as unverifiable.

- Matthew0028 03:46, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to have to second this question. Does anyone else remember it? NoDot 22:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I didn't remember it, but a bit of googling led to this:

Trivia: The comic is not, technically, called 8-bit Theater. 8-bit Theater is the name I used for the section that hosted sprite comics on my old site. The idea was to run several comics. The Final Fantasy one that you're all familiar with, a story about Samus while she hunted down the last Metroid, a parody of 2D shooters (which saw some of its material in the too-darn-short-lived Space Blaster series of donation comics), a re-telling of the Mega Man mythos, and probably something with the River City Ransom sprites because it's a great game/series and the sprites are so easy to manipulate.

But everyone liked the FF one so much I just stuck with it.

Michael Slone (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character bio

" His most powerful (and therefore, favourite) spell is called 'Hadoken!' A reference to Street Fighter, this spell seems capable of incredible destruction comparable to a nuclear bomb, but can only be cast once per day and it always seems that whenever he uses his Hadoken another situation pops up where it could have been much more useful." Hate this. Just not wikipedia-ish, in my opinion.

I dunno. The style is none too good, but it all seems to be accurate: no one would dispute the SF reference, the frequency of use, the destrictive power, the time limits, and the fact that a running gag seems to be Black Mage wasting his hadoken. --Maru (talk) 06:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm working on a cleanup of the character section. Most of these details should stay in the characters article, I think. Feezo (Talk) 07:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Mage, Blue Magic

I think the the comment about him being similar to a God Modder should be changed, he has merely recieved a class upgrade and can now cast Blue Magic (Enemy Skills) - Dark-Eco-Freak

Read today's comic carefully. Do you notice something? Danny Lilithborne 22:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
After some research I see a lot of RPG references that say the "rules" were bent a little but Red Mage wasn't the one who did it, it was their quest reward. I think it would be more accurate to say he changed classes and now has the ability to use Blue Magic, it seems stongly implied that the other characters have new abilities they don't know yet too meaning Red Mage wouldn't be the only "Godmodder" and thus making the comment redundant. - Dark-Eco-Freak
I don't think Red Mage learned Blue Magic, I think he just learned to Mimic. If it was Blue Magic, he wouldn't need to see someone else do something EVERY time he did it. Blue Magic only needs to be learned once, then the Mage can cast whenever he pleases. Furthermore, usually you have to be hit with a Spell before you learn it. - Neosuplex
The Biggest tipoff would be that Black Mage got Blue Magic. - NeoSuplex

Red Mage has blue magic, Black Mage has blue magic, and neither of them us it anymore. Whether or not Red Mage actually got blue magic or mimic and how blue magic works in Final Fantasy isn't relevant. It was called blue magic in the comic when Black Mage fired his Hadoken at Red Mage and missed, and Red Mage used the Hadoken back at him. Glotnot 11:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, Black Mage called it Blue Magic, but Black Mage later admitted he was mistaken, too. --R. Wolff 16:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Red Mage does not have Blue Magic. In comic 648 RM claims to be unable to cast the Hadoken, and then mimics stealing from Thief. In #666 he mentions mimicing Fighter's swordfighting abilities and even mimicing crocheting abilibity from Fighter (#679). Red Mage, thusly, became a mime. And as for RM being a "Godmodder", remember the wiered dream sequences at the Cornerian Inn before setting off to fight Garland (#85)? In it, there is a quote of the Red Mage's quest to learn and understand the rules of their world; and that they are capable of "bending" the rules while not being able to fully break them. Remember "Rite of Stat Swap?". RM can very well be qualified as having some Godmod properties, but is unable to really assert any really useful power on the world. Nodnarb232001 10:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summoner vs Warlock

The character sprite with the moon on its hat is NOT a summoner, it's a Warlock, the more powerful version of a Black Mage. The Summoner has a green robe and a horn growing out of his head. Look here[[1]] before reverting it again. (DrZarkov 02:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC))

Actually he's a Blue Mage. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.186.59.225 (talk • contribs).

DrZarkov's comment is about the sprite used to represent Black Mage, not the character's class in the comic. Michael Slone (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode list

Is the episode list really necessary? It's very long, is almost always going to be out-of-date with respect to the main site, and doesn't seem to add to the usefulness of the article. I'd just as soon see a link to the archives on nuklearpower.com-- at least that will always be up-to-date, and gets the episode list out of the way so that readers can concentrate on the more important aspects of the article. -- Eric the Read

[edit] Text Heavy?

Does anyone else think that there is a bit too much text here? Maybe a few charater pics would liven things up. BeefyJet 04:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I started adding pictures, but RM's and Theif's pictures have been deleted from the site.BioTube 02:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the main article particularly needs character pictures. The detailed bios (with the same pics) are linked from the character list. Also, since this section is intended to be short, I think four images of the Light Warriors would overbalance the text-to-image ratio. Fe e zo (Talk) 03:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It looks a little better with the picture adjustments, but a single picture with all four would be better. I don't know what happened to the pics of RM and Thief though. BioTube 00:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I've taken a picture from the one comic in which all four Light Warriors were riding blue Chocobos. I think it looks much better now. I also rearanged the bios from a random order to match the order they're standing in the picture. BioTube 18:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Random? Wasn't that the order of appearance? =P --R. Wolff 11:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Probably, now that I think about it. That thought had come to mind before, but I just settled with random when I wrote the comment. We can revert the order, if you can find(or make) a picture with them in that order. BioTube 18:43, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is ridicolus.

What the hell is up with that fire emblem sprite? Kind of out of place, don't you think? -_- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.229.242.53 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Running gags

This section is getting out of control. I'm not even sure it really belongs in the article. Thoughts? Feezo (Talk) 01:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, definitely. The old "I wanna retell that!" urge is at work again, I think. --R. Wolff 14:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Most of the "unanswered questions" should probably be removed as well. The only real mystery in that section is the significance of the gods. I'm hesitant to just erase such a large part of the article though, without something to replace it. I'm working on a new "humor" section, which will attempt to describe the style of the comic without simply being a list of jokes. Feezo (Talk) 01:13, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Humor section is up. Running gags can probably be offloaded now. Feezo (Talk) 01:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Since nobody voiced an opinion to keep it, I deleted the running gags section. The most recent version in the article history is here. Feezo (Talk) 11:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I for one, agree with your decision. If the section is re-created there should be some relatively high standard for inclusion there. Such as a joke being used three or more times with a month separation between repetitions. The current "running gags" section was, indeed, getting out of hand, and reminiscient of listcruft. Better to start from scratch, if at all. — MSchmahl 11:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the section should be re-introduced with the following conditions (or a variation) being required;

It must have been shown at least 3 times in the comic
References to a previous strip are NOT running gags
Catch phrases are not running gags
Any running gag which has not been used for a long time (20 strips perhaps?) should be marked as disused until further noticed, or possibly even removed.Bisected8 17:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unanswered Questions

I removed the above noted section. Frankly, I don't think it has any place in the article, and it was attracting fan speculation like nobody's buisness. I'm open for discussion if anyone thinks it should still be in there. - Kalarchis 02:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ack, sorry, I thought it was vandalism at first. Anyway, I don't see why it shouldn't stay. If there are a lot of speculation edits, they can just be reverted. Geg 17:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I think the section is just fancruft, and the fact that it draws so much speculation is good evidence of that. It really belongs more on a fansite or a forum than it does on an encyclopedia article (I don't see such a section on the Neon Genesis Evangelion page). But, even with that aside, I consider such a section to only be applicable after the work in question has been finished, and then only if the questions are particularly notable (meaning, not just the result of comedic non-continuity, which I think a couple of these are). - Kalarchis 18:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright, let's have some more opinions on this. I'm going to wait a few more days, and if I don't get a good counter-argument by then, I'm going to take the section out. - Kalarchis 04:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The section seems pretty factual and non-speculative to me (might need a little more clean up on that). Anyway, it seems to be a decent listing of 'hanging minor threads' that could easily be revisited by the comic at some point. So, it's list of things the comic may reference at some point who's current setup is easily overlooked. (I might say that the second point is pure speculation, however.) --Rindis 05:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright, but that really doesn't change my argument at all. I'm not arguing against its factuality, I'm arguing against its place in the article. - Kalarchis 04:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It had sounded like your major objection was that it was all speculation. I don't think it's a great section, but neither is it useless or out of place. IMHO. ;) Basically, I feel as a long work presented slowly, a small list things that could be easily forgotten (and therefore mystifying) when they turn into a actual plot thread is useful as a minor adjunct to information on the plot so far. (Of which there isn't much, which may be part of the problem.) Actually, I just realized this article could probably use some sort of section talking about the unusual way in which 8-bit is telling the story of FF1. --Rindis 16:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Reread my paragraph up there. My major objections are that it's fancruft and that such a section doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia article. To wit: Even if the dialoge in Episode 434 does appear again at the end of the comic, I still don't think it would be notable. So it's a dialoge from the future. So what? The comic does stuff like that all the time. Is it important and pivotal to the story/characters? No. Is it necessary to the article? No. It's fancruft. The Death of One, same deal. First of all, it wasn't even by Clevinger, so how canonical is it? Second of all, even if Clevinger told Sosa about an upcoming character death, was this written before or after Black Belt died? If before, then it's no longer notable. If after, and if it's been confirmed canonical, then it's alright if a note about it is put somewhere in the article. Megahedron. He's already covered in the characters section. But, is he important enough to warrant a note here? I don't think so. What's stated in the characters section is all that's needed. Same exact thing with The Gods.

I know I'm being kind of harsh about a harmless section, but I just don't think it belongs. - Kalarchis 19:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. It's an on-going story and a list of notable plot threads should be included. Vandalism-ic changes by speculators is another issue all together, and you're not going to tell me this is the only section of any article on here that suffers from that problem. I don't care about "The Death of One," but the other three are notable enough to remain. NoDot 06:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The only one I would consider a notable plot thread is The Gods, as it's appeared multiple times throughout the comic. The dialoge in Episode 434 and Megahedron, on the other hand, only appeared once and haven't even been referenced since. I'd hardly call them plot threads. I'm willing to keep a section about The Gods, as yes, that does appear to be a major plot point. For the others, I stick to my comments above. - Kalarchis 07:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this assessment. "Episode 434" and "Death of One" do not appear to be connected with the plot. This leaves "Megahedron" and "The Gods", which could be moved to the characters section. Fe e zo (Talk) 13:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The main problem is that 434 cannot be referenced again, except when the dialog's source is revieled, so it obviously waiting for it to be mentioned again is essentially the end of the comic. So any debate might as well throw out that possible argument. (This isn't supposed to be an ad hominem attack, just that your argument leads to a Catch 22.) 434 is also unusual, because it's an example of blunt, obvious, and serious foreshadowing. The normal foreshadowing is either humorous or small enough not to be noticed without looking a bit.

Megahedron is notable for other reasons. He indicates another group of four, one which is actually parallel to the Light Warriors, unlike the Dark Warriors, the Other Warriors, and the Four Fiends. He's worth brief mention until he's seen again. NoDot 18:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes but, as I said, I still don't think 434 would be notable even if it shows up again at the end of the comic. It's just simply not important. And Megahedron does have brief mention...on the characters page. There's no reason to list him again here. - Kalarchis 06:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Then this is where we frankly disagree. 434 is notable for its obvious foreshadowing, IMO. NoDot 15:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's not foreshadowing. It's a flashforward. We can speculate on the circumstances surrounding the dialoge, but there's really no foreshadowing in there. Nothing is revealed, except that at some point two characters are going to look back upon the event of the Light Warriors going to Gurgu. So, is that bit of information really important? Does it add anything to the article? I don't think so. - Kalarchis 00:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Rindis/NoDot/Anyone else who disagrees with me, what's the verdict? I'm not going to change anything until I know whether or not you guys still have arguments about this. - Kalarchis 20:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed "Megahedron" and "The Death of One." I would still like to remove "Episode 434", but I'm still waiting for responses from those who disagree. - Kalarchis 07:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been over a month now, so why don't we see if we can live without it for now? --R. Wolff 13:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Field of Battle

Removed the following: It is also dedicated to an 8-bit reader named Ray who is "very far from home," presumably stationed in Iraq.

It's dedicated to "Roy G. Bivowitz," a name that (as has been pointed out somewhere on the Nuklearpower forums) could be derived from the colors of the rainbow. Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, Violet => ROYGBIV. I think this is just another typical Clevinger joke, but if anyone has information that indicates otherwise, I'll be happy to be corrected. ^^ --R. Wolff 16:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rating

I asked on the WikiProject Webcomics page and was told a rating in the infobox should be based on an actual rating. Just to clear that up. ^^ --R. Wolff 06:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problems with the Site?

I kinda feel bad about posting this here, it seems like me asking for help, but anyway, has the site been having problems? Because the comic won't display on my computer. Is it me, or is there an issue on the site? DoomsDay349 03:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I am having no problems with the site, so it must be your computer. - Kalarchis 19:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I'm sorry I figured it out. Sorry! DoomsDay349 20:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference to Wikipedia

Today's (2006, 15 Aug) comic makes a fun reference to Wikipedia. I thought some of you might enjoy it. — MSchmahl… 10:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure Emmett5 will. Fe e zo (Talk) 10:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I find it amusing that there was a lot changed to the page (stuff that doesn't appear to be in the history) and yet Brian missed one reference to 'Wikipedia', never bothering to change it to 'Magipedia'. - Fëaluinix 07:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A suggestion for reintroducing the running gags section

I was thinking (to keep the list short) that the following criteria should be met;

The joke may not be a reference to pop culture
- Though repeat references to a specific area of popular culture may be considered (e.g. Simpsons references)
It must have appeared at least three times
It is useful in deciding (though not necessary) if the joke has been parodied (e.g. The gunpowder "amnesia dust")

I can't remember what would be included in this list, feel free to point out flaws in my logic and such. - Bisected8 21:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Why would an encyclopedia need such a list in the first place? None of these running gags have any bearing on the main plot (not that we know of, anyway) or the characters. Put it this way: anyone who knows the comic knows the running gags, anyone who doesn't know the comic probably doesn't want to know about such miniscule details, but rather what the whole thing is about. (Now that I've written this, I realize there's a significant lack of information regarding running gags as part of the overall humour of 8BT, and I will rectify that shortly.) --R. Wolff 17:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The article for Concerned has the series running gags, as would the articles for other web comics (probably) if I looked. - Bisected8 20:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no. I did a quick runthrough of popular ones - Bob and George, Sinfest, Sluggy Freelance, Ctrl+Alt+Del and VG Cats. Sluggy has a section on "Traditions," but references to earlier storylines are a big part of that comic. The others all either don't mention running gags or do so only in passing. As for Concerned, I don't know the comic, and I did find the section on running gags largely uninteresting. --R. Wolff 21:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean others won't. Personally I love running gag sections (or any other form of infomation which can be presented in a list TBH). - Bisected8 21:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Just because you love 'em doesn't mean they're noteworthy. ;) You know what, let's try and find some kind of official policy on the subject, or ask the guys at Project:Webcomics, because we're not going to come to a conclusion this way. Deal? --R. Wolff 07:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense - Bisected8 10:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Webcomics#Is_there_a_consensus_on_running_gags_sections.3F - Bisected8 18:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

That does help somewhat. We should keep in mind that those running gags are just that and don't have much of a bearing on the main storyline (at least not as far as we know). --R. Wolff 10:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "young" character sprites

In the flashbacks (e.g. when Fighter/BM met) are those the FF map sprites? - Bisected8 12:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. The child versions of the characters (and "chibi" versions of the normal characters) are the sprites used in the Overworld Map in Final Fantasy. Cat's Tuxedo 13:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps that should be noted in the relevant section of the article then? - Bisected8 14:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article lacks information.

There's a huge problem with this article. 8-Bit Theater is a plot- and character-driven comic, yet all this article has to offer is side informations and website trivia. The fleshy parts are in separate articles, which seems like a lot of needless clicking - not to mention that, if push comes to shove, this article has the least information of the four currently existing. And it's supposed to be the main article.

I propose a radical change in organisation. We should eliminate all information from the other three articles that isn't absolutely necessary for an outside reader to get what the comic is about. Then we should merge all articles into one. In their current form they are little more than a platform for fans to enter their favourite moments or spread their interpretations of events in the comic. We can do better.

--R. Wolff 19:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some good pictures

Found some good shots of the Light Warriors in their normal bio order: [2] [3] [4]
I personally prefer the first panel of the second one I linked. --Jopasopa 02:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural References

I think it's extremely ill-advised to try and list every single reference in the comic. Extremely. The comic is full of those, and a complete list would almost certainly end up being larger than the recommended article limit by itself while not telling an uninformed reader anything new or relevant in particular. --R. Wolff 17:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking because each of the Family Guy episode entries have a 'cultural references' section, I thought it'd make Wikipedia more complete if this page had one too. That's why I added one to the Rayman Raving Rabbids page. Just wanted to point that oot. Cat's Tuxedo 01:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the section should be limited to just saying basically "8-Bit Theater makes many cultural allusions, both pop and non, both recent and obscure/long past; here's a short list of very good examples to edify you and prove the previous clauses were not a load of crap." --Gwern (contribs) 05:18 3 December 2006 (GMT)

I'm taking the section out. There is simply not enough room here to list and explain every single reference. I will add something about cultural references to the Humour section, but I ask that examples in that section are kept to one or two overall. If you're interested in creating a comprehensive and complete list, I suggest visiting the Nuklearpower Forums. --R. Wolff 15:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of every sprite used in the comic

This section strikes me as completely unnecessary. I can't imagine why it belongs in an encyclopedia entry. Wikipedia is not intended to be the sole source of all trivia. --Pariahpress 02:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't mean you should delete a whole section without asking - Bisected8 11:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

If it helps, I agree with Pariahpress. I was going to edit it down to maybe half size, but removing it entirely works for me. --R. Wolff 12:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought I was supposed to "Be Bold," eh? Okay, I'm asking, "Why should this even be in an encyclopedia entry?" --Pariahpress 03:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

My obejction isn't that you deleted it, its that you asked if you should delete it, and then delted it anyway without waiting for a response--Bisected8 11:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't ASKING, I was EXPLAINING myself. --71.214.122.248 18:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Who said you weren't?--Bisected8 12:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Putting the list here in case someone wants to know what sprites are used and/or it is decided to bring it back without digging through the page history. --Jopasopa 17:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sprites used

All of the sprites used in 8-Bit Theater are either directly taken from, or edits of sprites from Final Fantasy I, II, or III.

Sprite List

Black Mage Pre-Class Change .... Black Mage (Final Fantasy)
Black Mage Post-Class Change .... Warlock (Final Fantasy III)
Fighter Pre-Class Change .... Fighter (Final Fantasy)
Fighter Post-Class Change, Vargus .... Knight (Final Fantasy III)
Thief Pre-Class Change .... Thief (Final Fantasy)
Thief Post-Class Change .... Final Fantasy III Ninja, with FF 1 head (Final Fantasy III)
Red Mage Pre-Class Change .... Red Mage (Final Fantasy)
Red Mage Post-Class Change .... Red Wizard, with altered head (Final Fantasy III)
White Mage .... White Wizard (Final Fantasy III)
Good Princess Sara .... Elia, altered (Final Fantasy III)
Evil Princess Sara .... Sara (Final Fantasy III)
King Steve .... Prince Allus sprite with custom head
Black Belt .... Black Belt (Final Fantasy)
Matoya .... White Magic Shopkeeper, recolor (Final Fantasy)
Matoya (small sprite) .... Matoya (Final Fantasy)
Sarda the Sage .... Dorga head on custom body (Final Fantasy III)
Garland without armor .... MKnight (Final Fantasy III)
Garland with armor .... MKnight, altered (Final Fantasy III)
Bikke the Pirate .... Altered FF1 Thief sprite (made fatter) & custom head (Final Fantasy I)
Prince Drizz'L .... Gordon, altered (Final Fantasy II)
Vilbert von Vampire .... Scholar, altered (Final Fantasy III)
Onion Kid .... Onion Kid (Final Fantasy III)
Real Light Warrior #1 .... Knight (Final Fantasy)
Real Light Warrior #2 .... Ninja (Final Fantasy)
Real Light Warrior #3 .... Red Wizard (Final Fantasy)
Real Light Warrior #4 .... White Wizard (Final Fantasy)
Akbar .... a citizen (Final Fantasy)
The Messenger .... Archer (Final Fantasy III)
Elite Royal Guard Hank .... Dragoon (Final Fantasy III)
Generic Half-Elven Dual-Class Ranger .... Bard (Final Fantasy III)
Berserker Axinhed .... Viking, altered (Final Fantasy III)
Cleric .... Summoner, altered (Final Fantasy III)
Rogue, Bikke's Crew .... Thief (Final Fantasy III)

[edit] Plot Synopsis of 8-Bit Theater

Please merge relevant content from Plot Synopsis of 8-Bit Theater, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plot Synopsis of 8-Bit Theater. Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-12-27 07:34Z

[edit] Orphaned image from the plot article

Image:Lightws.png was orphaned after the plot article was merged. Please add it to this article (or a related article) if you wish to keep it. --- RockMFR 00:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Pointing out a lack of Notability according to guidlines defined by Wikipedia is NOT trolling, despite what fans of the material may believe. It's nice that you added one source, but the guideline states: "a topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself.". To meet this, you will need at LEAST one more source. Even then, I'm uncertain that a thesis paper at a college meets the "non-trivial, reliable published work" criteria. I'm a fan of 8bit myself, but the article needs to notable just as any other Wikipedia article. If this cannot be done, I recommend maintaining the article in the Comixpedia wiki instead. 68.84.81.13 18:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Please pardon my edit summary, your above explanation wasn't up when I made it. Regarding notability, see 1. Feezo (Talk) 19:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It's ok, I tried to post them right together, but I think the internet-tubes were clogged. ;) And if I was supposed to wait until after discussion before re-editing, I apologise. My thought was that the notice would lead more people to actually LOOKING at the discussion page to help find and add those notability references. Moving on... If in fact the 2002 WCCA award and the Wired News article are notable and substantial enough for notability requirements, then they should be added to the article's "Reference" or "External link" section and then Notability should never again be an issue. My concern with the the three sources mentioned are: (1) I'm not sure a Thesis paper can be considered for notability requirements, especially if it is written by a web comic author (same field, thus biased); (2) I'm not certain of the WCCA award's notability which, if I read the guideline page correctly, is required for them to be an acceptable source of establishing notability (makes sense to me); and (3) I'm not certain whether or not (due to my contributing inexperience) Wired's article passes the check for "non-triviality". - 68.84.81.13 19:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

What webcomic does Charles Rozakis author? I can find nothing in Wikipedia or in Google; further, if he is a webcomic guy, that would seem to strengthen his credentials as he would be more of an expert as opposed to a (possibly) totally clueless layman. The article at present seems to meet WP:WEB, particularly either 1 or 2. --Gwern (contribs) 20:12 17 January 2007 (GMT)

My bad, for some reason I read Anez in the quote and transposed that to the thesis' author. Dunno what's wrong with me making a mistake like that. Anyway, that part aside, my previous post's points on my fears of the other two sources still stand. If you believe them to meet criteria, fine by me. I'm just trying to get the article up to standards as 8bit is a great, long running webcomic (which has long graced my read-list) and deserves nothing less. :) 68.84.81.13 20:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The WCCA award has been found non-notable and I'd call the Wired article trivial as it goes on about a bunch of web comics. Is there anything else or should this be brought to AfD? --Simonkoldyk 05:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the Wired article is trivial or you would call it trivial? Moreover, why should something be trivial because it concerns webcomics? Are they trivial in themselves? --R. Wolff 16:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering Wikipedia's rather blasé stance that every webcomic is non-notable, regardless of printed volumes, awards won, or notability of the author (see Talk:Evil_Inc. and Talk:Girly), I wouldn't be surprised if this article gets deleted. Wikipedia is a web-based encyclopedia, and as such, people are going to be coming to it for information about web-based items that really don't have any notability outside of the internet. In addition, Wikipedia does have Wikipedia:WikiProject_Webcomics going on; surely then the issue is less one of notability and more one of readership? Is a newspaper with a large readership not notable because other newspapers don't talk about it? 67.177.38.246 13:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot synopsis too short?

I might be going out on a limb here, but am I the only one who thinks the plot section could use a little fleshing out, particularly the bit about the orbs? Nowhere near how big the original one was, but something more might be better. At least a small explanation of the individual orb arcs might be good, in my opinion, rather than just dismissing the whole thing with just one sentence. Some other major plot points skipped over include the class change. Again, I'm not saying we have to devote a huge paragraph to each, but a little information would be useful I think. Lord Seth 18:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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