Talk:Aces High (computer game)
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[edit] Names
Do the developer's names really need to be internlly linked? As of now, they're all readlinks but one; that one being an article about a different person. OOZ662 18:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Derogatory Online Experience Section
Per Wiki standards all points of view must be presented, to include critisism. Chairboy is against the section, claiming it is "wildly POV". The section can be verified with actual online films and voice recordings, which I'll upload to YouTube and use as cites for each claim in the section.--Scribner 06:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- This section in its current form is unacceptably POV, and doesn't cite any references. Please review No Original Research to see why your personal videos are not an acceptable form of evidence, and please find other references before adding the section back. In its current form, it is an attack and fails the neutral point of view policy. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 11:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've moved the unreferenced tag to the 'Derogatory online experience' section, as the rest of the article seems pretty well sourced by the first external link, while that specific section is quite dearth of references. The motivation of the editor running that section seems in conflict with NPOV, but it could be fixed up with some reliable data. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 15:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added specific references to the article where appropriate, and have moved the unreferenced tag back to the derogatory section as requested. This should clear up the concerns that Scribner has, and I look forward to seeing the 'derogatory' section fixed up the same way, otherwise it really should be removed. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 16:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- Chairboy Please do not remove or move the tag I've placed on this article. Thanks.--Scribner 16:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- Is there a reason you're putting an unreferenced tag on the article when references exist? I've footnoted it with sources, I'm guessing that you may have missed them. Instead of just reverting, do you mind talking about it here instead? Please note that you do not own the article, so unless you can explain why you've left the unreferenced tag there with it properly footnoted, expect it to change again. But let's talk instead of just reverting. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 17:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
May I point out that the foul language is not a part of the game itself, but rather of the community which has grown up around it. Also note that this kind of behaviour happens in ALL forms of community activities, including the vast majority of online games and even Wikipedia itself. Therefore, since it is neither planned (merely spontanious from the community) nor unique (but common to many online venues) I suggest the section be removed. An alternative would be to rewrite the section, focusing on the lack of administration and developer involvement of online activity (a unique and planned aspect of the game) which should be intrinsically less POV than at present.Dudecon 20:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- Dudecon, the language of the other players is a part of the game.--Scribner 20:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
The main article is referenced quite well, and therefore I have removed the tag from the top of the article. The subsection has no references at all so I added some tags there. If references aren't provided within a couple of days, that section should be removed entirely. Unreferenced POV doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Verifiability is required. IrishGuy talk 20:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Here's the section
Now were it should have been placed instead of deleated:
Aces High is open to players of all ages, children included. Despite player-report functions a player will experience a great deal of vulgarity and adult language. Players are often harassed and experience personal attacks.[1] The online version of the game does not have an ESBN rating.
Administration of the game also fails with regard to game cheats. While HiTech Creations claims to use many avenues to monitor fair play, game cheats reported by players are common.
Comment on the forum link: That link is to the game's forum where only members of the game may post and the threads are monitored by the game admin. Forums normally shouldn't be used to cite material but in this case the members are in fact an established group. Since the forum resides on the game's main webpage and is monitored by the games admin I see no verifiability problems.--Scribner 21:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I disagree. Forum links do NOT meet WP:RS in any way, shape or form. SirFozzie 01:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
