Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holden Street, Fitzroy North, Melbourne

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Consensus to Delete per not being notable.. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 21:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holden Street, Fitzroy North, Melbourne

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Contested prod. Non notable street. We don't need articles for most streets in the world, notability stops at the town level, except for very famous streets (Champs Elysées or Times Square, that level). Fails WP:V to show any importance beyond existence (I don't doubt its existence, for all clarity) Fram 06:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete It does exist but some bus stops and a school crossing do not add up to notability. (aeropagitica) 06:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete under A7, no assertion of notability. Although the author has asked on the talk page for it not to be deleted pending more information, in its current state, I don't see the article improving much as any notability would have already been outlined. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 12:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 18:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There are loads of articles on Wikipedia about various streets in the USA (for example: Decatur Street, Spur_557, Bennington_Street,_East_Boston,_MA ) If these are considered notable enough, them sure this article is too? Markb 18:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The first is a disambiguation page, but should better be deleted as well (disambiguating between two redlinks that probably don't deserve individual articles is quite unnecessary), the second is a highway (highways are deemed more important than other streets), and the thirdd should better be deleted as well. You can see from the talk pages of these articles (first and third one) that they have not been discussed for deletion yet, so there is no way to know if they are considered notable enough (I doubt many editors would think so). There are many, many articles on Wikipedia that don't belong here, but there aren't enough of us checking articles to get rid of them. You are unlucky to have been spotted, those other streets have not been spotted until now and so are not up for deletion yet. Fram 21:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. The article does not make any claims of notability. A Google Search does not indicate notability with the first returns being real estate listings. [1].

A Google News Archive search comes up with stories about contaminated soil in a playground, Melbourne real estate values and a traffic accident but nothing indicating any notability for this street. [2]. I will leave a message for User:Cnwb as he is a local but I see nothing notable about this street. Capitalistroadster 02:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 02:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, not really a notable street. Lankiveil 05:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
• Delete, I live near this street and there's nothing notable about it at all. --Canley 08:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I live in the area, and I can attest to the fact that this is not a notable street. Cnwb 23:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Inter alia Bert Newton grew up on this street. Why does googlability have to be standard? Have our lives been reduced to this? Lentisco 02:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Two comments. First, Google indicates what we (non-local editors) can find about the subject when the article makes no claims to notability and provides no sources. It indicates that we have tried to find indications of notability with the means available to us. Everyone participating in this discussion is free to provide off-google sources of course, and then (but only then) the argument "but there's nothing on Google" becomes invalid. Second, a street does not become notable because someone notable lived there. A street becomes notable when there are secondary sources about the street (and not mentioning it in passing), as per WP:V. So even if you would produce a source qtating that Bert Newton lived there, it would still not help you unless the source went on to discuss the street at some length. In the absence of such sources, the street is non notable, fails WP:V, and should be deleted. Fram 10:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into the Fitzroy North article. Perhaps a subsection on main thoroughfares in the Transport section. --Polaron | Talk 16:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. WMMartin 19:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. --Roisterer 04:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete -- no claim to fame. - Longhair\^talk 00:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.