Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder Rate

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Murder Rate

Straight copy of data from another source, not a copyvio, but not useful. Not an article. Is an orphan. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep.It is a straight copy but so are all the other lists (ie: gdp/flags ext). However I have changed the stats from # per 1000 to # per 100,000. I feel it is more conceptually realistic when dealing with murder rates.

  I think it is quite relevant as the murder rate of both the world and individual countries is likely to be of interest to people (I know it was to me since I was looking for it before starting this article) and yes it does have links from it.

  Also I would love to see more details added to it (maybe some statistics on whether the murder rate is rising or falling). I might do that myself in the next couple of days. --Maximg 15:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• It's as useful as List of countries by death rate is (and indeed as List of countries by suicide rate is), and it's sourced to a UN survey. It should of course be at List of countries by murder rate, per our Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Naming_conventions. Uncle G 16:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep/Expand/Cleanup Like Maximg, I once looked for some data on international murder rates on Wikipedia, but I came up empty at the time. While I think this article is far too bare-bones to be sufficient, I'd like to see a decent article on this subject expanded out of the bare data. -Markeer 16:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
  • You're probably looking for Murder#Murder_demographics. Uncle G 16:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, but if you look you'll note the link at the top of that section leads back to the article currently being considered for AfD (i.e., it redirects to Murder Rate -Markeer 19:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep but Rename to List of countries by murder rate thus wiping the redirect. The problem is this is a worthless article (because there is no prose content) but a valuable list so make the name fit the content and be done with it. --Richard 05:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

  ok give me a couple of hours and ill try and expand it into a larger article... --Maximg 06:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment The problem is that the "article" starts by saying "This is a list..." and then provides a list. So, if it is a list, then rename the title to indicate that it is a list. A good article about murder rate might talk about comparisons of murder rates in different countries and what causes the differences (longer jail sentences, death penalty, strong law enforcement, education, poverty, etc.). Also a discussion of how murder rate data is collected and whether there are methodological issues in collection techniques that make it difficult to compare murder rate data across countries. Etc., etc., etc.

--Richard 07:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• KeepBut get some more up to date stats. Iraq isn't even in the list, with 2000 cops a year murdered and dozens of people murdered a day in Baghdad alone.Edison 20:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and Expand because yes, the article needs more up to date stats on it. In the eight to six years since this report was researched and subsequently published, some rates have fallen and risen, sometimes significantly (Colombia wouldn't top the list if the same survey were made in 2005/2006, though it'd still be high). The list itself can stay, if necessary, but later and current trends should be reflected somehow. The list remains a good resource for showing what murder rates were like half a decade ago, but it's not that accurate today. Juancarlos2004 20:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but rename per Richard. Eluchil404 08:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.